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If Brown is out (however it happens) who do you want to coach this team for the next 3-5 years?
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Killa4luv
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Who do you want man assuming Brown is gone?
Rick Adelman - His teams have consistantly performed well.
Isiah Thomas - He made this bed, he should lay in it.
Stan Van Gundy - The other white meat. Kinda like JVG reloaded?
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Marv
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5/15/2006  11:14 AM
The other white meat!!! LOL!!!
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5/15/2006  11:14 AM
no more of this BS... let Isiah take full accountability
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5/15/2006  11:16 AM
you forgot option #4: Does it matter?
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5/15/2006  11:18 AM
none of the above
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5/15/2006  11:19 AM
Theres 2 ways I look at it.

1. I like Adelman alot, and I think Stan is a fine choice as well. I think Isiah did a good job in his debut with the Pacers. They are all good, imo. I like Adelman the best and think he'd be the best long term solution for this team for 3-5 year window.

2. But, especially for those who have little faith in Isiah, if he coaches the team, this is the closest the organization can get to him being completely removed from the organization. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, great. Its kind of a win-win. The only thing is, some of you have such an emotional response to him that you wont really want him to be successful with this roster, especially when Larry couldn't be. You guys shouldn't be so emotional.

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5/15/2006  11:19 AM
Posted by McK1:

none of the above

Who would you suggest? Bippity?
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5/15/2006  11:24 AM
Posted by TMS:

no more of this BS... let Isiah take full accountability

Totally agree
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5/15/2006  11:25 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

2. But, especially for those who have little faith in Isiah, if he coaches the team, this is the closest the organization can get to him being completely removed from the organization. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, great. Its kind of a win-win. The only thing is, some of you have such an emotional response to him that you wont really want him to be successful with this roster, especially when Larry couldn't be. You guys shouldn't be so emotional.

this should not be about the isiah redemption song. this should be what's best for the franchise.

when all is said and done, isles was 100% right. isiah would have buried us in a hole that we won't be able to climb out of for another 5 years.

isles is the real dido.
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5/15/2006  11:26 AM
the Pacers totally collapsed Isiah's last year there and were upset in the first round by Boston getting blown out in each loss.

he lost control of the team. he stopped speaking to is starting point. Ron made the cover of SI. The title - is he crazy? Ron was s uspended how many times? Pacers were 34-15 at the all-star break of IT's last season. They finished 48-34.
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5/15/2006  11:32 AM
Posted by McK1:

the Pacers totally collapsed Isiah's last year there and were upset in the first round by Boston getting blown out in each loss.

he lost control of the team. he stopped speaking to is starting point. Ron made the cover of SI. The title - is he crazy? Ron was s uspended how many times? Pacers were 34-15 at the all-star break of IT's last season. They finished 48-34.

Yeah, and then the next season Ron got into a lot more trouble and the season after that was the fight. No one has been able to control Ron yet. The reason that Pacer's team imploded was that Jermaine Oneal's father shot himself in the head with a shot gun. Oneal was like 23/24 at the time and he was devastated. Sure, blame Isiah. O'neal happens to love Zeke for how Zeke helped him through that time.

And that super talented Pacers team has really imploded since Zeke left.
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5/15/2006  11:32 AM
Posted by McK1:

the Pacers totally collapsed Isiah's last year there and were upset in the first round by Boston getting blown out in each loss.

he lost control of the team. he stopped speaking to is starting point. Ron made the cover of SI. The title - is he crazy? Ron was s uspended how many times? Pacers were 34-15 at the all-star break of IT's last season. They finished 48-34.


He only coached for 2 yrs.......Thats not enough time to properly evalute his ability......In his first yr, as an 8th seed, he took NJ (the eventual eastern conference champs,) down the wire and should have beaten them if not for a bogus offensive foul call on Mercer with under a minute to play in game 5.

Plenty of caoched struggle out of the gate in their first couple of yrs, Dean Smnith, coach K, (not that i'm comparing Isiah to those hall of famers but you get the point......
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5/15/2006  11:33 AM
Isiah or nothing. I want him to hear the boos everynight when guys score at will on our team. I want him to hear the fire Isiah chants when Curry, Jerome and Mo are all on the bench in suits because they have pulled hammys from being to fat. I want to see him suffer while his team stands around watching perimeter guys go one on one to get their own shot. I want to see what he does when Steph starts yelling at Curry for not helping fast enough everytime he gets beat off the dribble. Kinda like he did with Nazr.

We might win 40 games. Guys around here will drink their koolaid. And if things arent working Isiah will trade Francis, Lee, Nate and a future #1 for Dampier and Stackhouse then when they dont work out some more it will be because they are still adjusting and learning to play together.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I wonder how many more years of Isiah and Isiah players it will take before people see whats actually on the court.
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5/15/2006  11:33 AM
I said Isiah Thomas. "Isiah Thomas - He made this bed, he should lay in it." describes it perfectly. I do think Isiah is one of the parties responsible for the Knicks current mess. I will still pull for the Knicks and will watch with interest what happens.

Honestly, why should they bother with any other coach, having gone through four of them in three seasons? Isiah is the only logical choice.
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5/15/2006  11:34 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by McK1:

the Pacers totally collapsed Isiah's last year there and were upset in the first round by Boston getting blown out in each loss.

he lost control of the team. he stopped speaking to is starting point. Ron made the cover of SI. The title - is he crazy? Ron was s uspended how many times? Pacers were 34-15 at the all-star break of IT's last season. They finished 48-34.


He only coached for 2 yrs.......Thats not enough time to properly evalute his ability......In his first yr, as an 8th seed, he took NJ (the eventual eastern conference champs,) down the wire and should have beaten them if not for a bogus offensive foul call on Mercer with under a minute to play in game 5.

Plenty of caoched struggle out of the gate in their first couple of yrs, Dean Smnith, coach K, (not that i'm comparing Isiah to those hall of famers but you get the point......

Isiah had them playing like the best team in the league his second season there before JO's tragedy.

I think Isiah is the only option at this point. It HAS to be on his hands. They probably need to let Zeke keep his President title, make him the coach and bring in someone acting as the de facto GM. That's the way San Antonio and Miami do it.
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5/15/2006  11:37 AM
I think having Zeke coach this team because "he made his bed, he should lay in it" is geared more toward proving Zeke wrong than what is right for the Knicks.

I prefer SVG over both of these guys because I don't think Zeke will do much with this roster and Adelman for as good of a coach as he is his teams are NEVER considered clutch and always find a way to lose the big game.
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5/15/2006  11:40 AM
one question - who in the blue hell would want to coach here without a guaranteed 4 year deal?

when a guy like lb can be fired after one season with this roster, who would be lining up outside of the garden without a guaranteed pay day?

get real, head coach of the knicks doesn't mean jack without the payday.

just like how superstars come running here for the MLE. stars like vin and jerome.

isiah has created a team of chaos. nobody wants to be here or come here or stay here.
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5/15/2006  11:41 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:

the Pacers totally collapsed Isiah's last year there and were upset in the first round by Boston getting blown out in each loss.

he lost control of the team. he stopped speaking to is starting point. Ron made the cover of SI. The title - is he crazy? Ron was s uspended how many times? Pacers were 34-15 at the all-star break of IT's last season. They finished 48-34.

Yeah, and then the next season Ron got into a lot more trouble and the season after that was the fight. No one has been able to control Ron yet. The reason that Pacer's team imploded was that Jermaine Oneal's father shot himself in the head with a shot gun. Oneal was like 23/24 at the time and he was devastated. Sure, blame Isiah. O'neal happens to love Zeke for how Zeke helped him through that time.

And that super talented Pacers team has really imploded since Zeke left.

I was going to make a comment about that. The Pacers really improved after Isiah was fired under Carlisle by going to the Eastern Conference finals but that team really has been under achieving under him. I like Carlisle too but that team needs some type of shakeup itself.
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5/15/2006  11:42 AM
what are you guys talking about

he coached 3 seasons from 00-03

http://www.nba.com/pacers/schedule/index.html


I don't recall what JO's tragedy was but he missed 16 games combined in the 3 seasons with Isiah.

the season after he left - Carlisle's first - Artest wins DPOY and the Pacers win 61 games and advances to the ECF's
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5/15/2006  11:42 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Isiah or nothing. I want him to hear the boos everynight when guys score at will on our team. I want him to hear the fire Isiah chants when Curry, Jerome and Mo are all on the bench in suits because they have pulled hammys from being to fat. I want to see him suffer while his team stands around watching perimeter guys go one on one to get their own shot. I want to see what he does when Steph starts yelling at Curry for not helping fast enough everytime he gets beat off the dribble. Kinda like he did with Nazr.

We might win 40 games. Guys around here will drink their koolaid. And if things arent working Isiah will trade Francis, Lee, Nate and a future #1 for Dampier and Stackhouse then when they dont work out some more it will be because they are still adjusting and learning to play together.

Then you should be happy. If Zeke stinks as much as you say, the quickest way to get him out is to put him right in the hottest seat in NYC. Coaching the New York Knicks is the most pressurized job in the sports world. It made JVG look 60, Riley didn't like the scrutiny, LB clearly couldn't handle it, Don Chaney looked like crap by the end of his run.

If you want Zeke out and you think he sucks, you should be thrilled.

But you know what - if he does win 40 games and make the playoffs? I will be thrilled. That means he did what we were asking Larry to do. You know if LB won 40 games and made the playoffs, people would be crowning him a genius. You wouldn't be happy if we won 40 and made the playoffs after this season? Do we have to win the "right way"?


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5/15/2006  11:46 AM
to reiterate

I would not want Isiah Thomas coaching the next 3-5 years.

he should have nothing to do with this organization beyond right now.


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