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NYKCager
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9/12/2002  11:19 PM
With an abundance of not ready for prime time players in the PF position for the Wizards, MJ needs a dependable PF to move them to the playoffs.

Time to raid these guys. I say send Kurt Thomas and Othella Harrington for Laettner and Etan Thomas.

The Wiz get their PF for the present and a solid PF reserve for 2 players that they have an abundance of.

Laettner should be servicable for us and a 6'10" Etan Thomas can (hopefully) fill the void at Center that we are sorely lacking.

You can substitute Jahidi White with Laettner but I am a little scared with his weight and health.

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9/13/2002  12:05 AM
Why is it that NY fans make up the craziest trades? Just using some basic logic---unless you are REALLY upgrading your talent base--why would you trade with your direct competitor --essentialy making them BETTER than you for Christian Laetner who cant stick with a team and Etan thomas a guy who gets hurt every 5 mts? I read all of these forums and the trades just come out of the woodworks. Lets give the Hornets Knight and Othela Harrington for Elden Cambell because its his walk year?????? This kind of crop. If someone makes a trade atleast make the trade sound fair to both clubs. Other teams are not in the business to make the Knicks a better club.

Amare Stoudemaire is going to be a star in this league. The Knicks couldve stayed competitive while looking to be opportunistic in the next couple of years in the draft and with expiring contracts to build a new core while playing tough with the core of Camby Thomas Houston and Sprewell. The real key in the NBA is to get 2-4 highly talented guys and put them together and build around them. The reason why this dice trade makes no sense is because the timing will never work out.
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9/13/2002  12:08 AM
2-4 guys under the age of 25.
Posted by BRIGGS:

Why is it that NY fans make up the craziest trades? Just using some basic logic---unless you are REALLY upgrading your talent base--why would you trade with your direct competitor --essentialy making them BETTER than you for Christian Laetner who cant stick with a team and Etan thomas a guy who gets hurt every 5 mts? I read all of these forums and the trades just come out of the woodworks. Lets give the Hornets Knight and Othela Harrington for Elden Cambell because its his walk year?????? This kind of crop. If someone makes a trade atleast make the trade sound fair to both clubs. Other teams are not in the business to make the Knicks a better club.

Amare Stoudemaire is going to be a star in this league. The Knicks couldve stayed competitive while looking to be opportunistic in the next couple of years in the draft and with expiring contracts to build a new core while playing tough with the core of Camby Thomas Houston and Sprewell. The real key in the NBA is to get 2-4 highly talented guys and put them together and build around them. The reason why this dice trade makes no sense is because the timing will never work out.
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9/13/2002  1:37 AM
No sense in crying over spilled milk. The McDyess trade has gone and passed. Move on.

The purpose of forums like this is to use it as a sounding board on how to make your favorite team better (in that persons view).

So you are saying that this is a bad trade for us? Kurt Thomas at one point in his carreer was considered an injury waiting to happen. He broke both ankles on more than 1 occasion. Even if Etan Thomas has a history of injuries, you still need to gamble on trades with players who have potential.

With Laettner and Thomas, we get taller in a hurry. I actually like the combination of Laettner and McDyess to start games. Their talents should mesh perfectly IMHO.
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9/13/2002  2:22 AM
If any deal is done with the Wiz and we give up KT, i would be at least be asking for Brendan Haywood. That guy will be a above average C in a year or 2.
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9/13/2002  9:50 AM
I'd give up Thomas and a secound rounder for Brendan Haywood! That would be a STEAL for us. THat guy is an up and coming player with lots of raw talent. I would do this trade in a flash! I don't thik the Wizards would be so stupid as to part with him though.
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9/13/2002  3:39 PM
"Amare Stoudemaire is going to be a star in this league. The Knicks couldve stayed competitive while looking to be opportunistic in the next couple of years in the draft and with expiring contracts to build a new core while playing tough with the core of Camby Thomas Houston and Sprewell. The real key in the NBA is to get 2-4 highly talented guys and put them together and build around them. The reason why this dice trade makes no sense is because the timing will never work out."-Briggs, why are you talking about this? I got tremendous respect for you man, you are increidbly knowledgeable and go way back with the Knicks, but you just wrote a paragraph which had nothing to do with the Knicks or Wizards. Why?
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9/13/2002  7:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Why is it that NY fans make up the craziest trades? Just using some basic logic---unless you are REALLY upgrading your talent base--why would you trade with your direct competitor --essentialy making them BETTER than you for Christian Laetner who cant stick with a team and Etan thomas a guy who gets hurt every 5 mts? I read all of these forums and the trades just come out of the woodworks. Lets give the Hornets Knight and Othela Harrington for Elden Cambell because its his walk year?????? This kind of crop. If someone makes a trade atleast make the trade sound fair to both clubs. Other teams are not in the business to make the Knicks a better club.

Amare Stoudemaire is going to be a star in this league. The Knicks couldve stayed competitive while looking to be opportunistic in the next couple of years in the draft and with expiring contracts to build a new core while playing tough with the core of Camby Thomas Houston and Sprewell. The real key in the NBA is to get 2-4 highly talented guys and put them together and build around them. The reason why this dice trade makes no sense is because the timing will never work out.
OK I warned you. The topic is the Wizards but you take ever opportunity to talk about Amare. Are you his agent, girlfriend, or mother. That's it, BRIGGS is Amare Stodemaire girlfriend!!!
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9/13/2002  9:44 PM
The Knicks wll get their man eventually, its just gonna take some time. We already made a HUGE trade this summer and signed a backup C - if you look around thats a lot of moves considering most teams arent doing all that much. True we arent gonna win the championship - but we have pieces to build on even if it takes a season or 2. We will be fine its just gonna take a little time.
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9/13/2002  11:53 PM
If they plan on waiting 2 years or if that's their timetable, they have to trade Sprewell. After 2 more seasons he won't nearly be the player he wasin '99 when he took them to the Finals.

I'm still wishing they used him to get Bonzi Wells from Portland, but it looks as if that won't happen.

Either way, if the Knicks are going to be a good team in 2 years (which they probably will be since Williams and Vujanic will be solid PGs, Houston will still be a shooter, and McDyess will probably still be able to bang down low), then they need to trade Sprewell.
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9/14/2002  2:12 PM
Okay, sounds like a dumb question, but....

What's Jason Williams been doing since he was banished from the Kings? Has he started to reform? Would he reform if offered an orange and blue jersey? Would you rather have him than Charlie? Just thoughts...
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Posted by knixphan:

Okay, sounds like a dumb question, but....

What's Jason Williams been doing since he was banished from the Kings? Has he started to reform? Would he reform if offered an orange and blue jersey? Would you rather have him than Charlie? Just thoughts...

Thats a good question, but I get the feeling White Choc. aint exactly NBA caliber if you know what I mean. Maybe someday he will change but he didnt do much in his move while Bibby showed he can be the man.
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Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by knixphan:

Okay, sounds like a dumb question, but....

What's Jason Williams been doing since he was banished from the Kings? Has he started to reform? Would he reform if offered an orange and blue jersey? Would you rather have him than Charlie? Just thoughts...

Thats a good question, but I get the feeling White Choc. aint exactly NBA caliber if you know what I mean. Maybe someday he will change but he didnt do much in his move while Bibby showed he can be the man.
He's not a good shooter but he's got speed, a great handle, and good court vision. He's erractic but he NBA caliber. More so than Eisley. But I don't think Memphis will give him up easily. Jerry West thinks he can make him better by putting more stable players arround him. Who knows, but I know we don't have the peices to bring him here, because they would want a PG in return.
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9/19/2002  10:22 PM
Please!!!!!! Howard Eisley and Charlie Ward are much better then Jason Williams on Memphis. If you were picking a play ground squad I would love to have Jason Williams but as the Knicks point. Please. Frank Williams will eat him alive. You need to be taken out back. Jason Williams Please!!!!!!!
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9/20/2002  2:20 AM
Dunno if it's such a clear case between Frank and Jason...But my original query was a comparison between JWill and CHARLIE. And I'll assert that leopards (even albino ones) can change their spots, or we wouldn't be indulging in so much Spree-lovin'. You get people for bargain rates when their stock takes a dip. (Spree, Dice) - Y'know? Just looking for bargains, bro.
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9/20/2002  11:39 AM
I think Jason WIlliams would bring back allot of the intangibles if he came to the Garden. I could see him feeding off the crowd and going on rolls. I would dare to draw comparisons to how John Starks used to get pumped by the crowd and bang his chest with his fist. I used to love the heart in that old team. Acquiring Jason WIlliams at without giving up any of our starters(pg not included) would be a step in the right direction. Jason Williams feeding Houston, Spree, And Dice off the penetration would be some great and entertaining basketball to watch. My only concern would be his erradic shooting. He tends to take allot of ill advised shots. I think He has allot of potential. He's a risk worth taking though. I would be completely on board if we went after this guy.
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9/20/2002  4:03 PM
Went after him with whom??? There not going to take any of our point guards and we don't need to trade a frontline player for him. I do agree if we could get him for nothing like for one of the Knicks point guards or Travis Knight but for anyone else would not make sense. The only way you can compare starks and jason williams is they both have erractic shoting. At least starks played defense. So jason williams will throw a few nice passes for assists but he will give up 10 easy points to the opposing point guard because he has NO defense. Yeah that would help the Knicks alot. Another defensive liability.
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9/20/2002  6:32 PM
Now Ive heard it all Howard eisley and charlie ward are better than Jason Williams. yeah and sprewell is better than Kobe and Houston is better than ray Allen oh and of course mcdyess is better than webber
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9/20/2002  8:57 PM
Right...And I don't think Jason Williams is any more a defensive liability than any of our points...Charlie isn't exactly the glove...I think with some maturing, JW can give more overall than either Charlie or Howard. I just doubt that we could put a package together with Charlie in it...They don't need Power forwards, I don't think...


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9/21/2002  4:25 PM
I didn't say that eisley or ward were better but JW is not that much better if he is better then both of them. He has alot of hype behind him. Sure I would take him on the Knicks but who would you trade for him?? Anyone other then Ward, Eisley, or Knight would be crazy. Give me a consistent point over a streaky one any day.
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