Darko: 1 point 0 rebound... the living proof that getting a top 2 pick doesn't guarantee you anything!

2005-06 NY 36 19.7 1.7 4.1 41.8 0.0 0.1 33.3 1.2 2.1 54.6 1.4 2.4 3.8 1.3 1.3 1.2 0.3 2.2 4.6
2005-06 ORL 20 13.0 1.4 3.4 39.7 0.0 0.1 0.0 1.6 2.3 71.1 1.2 2.3 3.5 0.7 0.8 0.6 0.1 1.0 4.3

Posted by OldFan:

2005-06 NY 36 19.7 1.7 4.1 41.8 0.0 0.1 33.3 1.2 2.1 54.6 1.4 2.4 3.8 1.3 1.3 1.2 0.3 2.2 4.6
2005-06 ORL 20 13.0 1.4 3.4 39.7 0.0 0.1 0.0 1.6 2.3 71.1 1.2 2.3 3.5 0.7 0.8 0.6 0.1 1.0 4.3

also, you'll note that Ariza is putting up the same numbers in about 6 minutes less per game, which means he is playing far better in Orlando, given how few minutes he plays.

also, when you factor in tonight's numbers Ariza's number are better across the board in Orlando this season than they were in NY, despite playing only 14mpg. hey, I just feel like we're rebuilding and it was idiotic to ostracize a defender like Ariza.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 04-19-2006 11:22 PM]

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by OldFan:

2005-06 NY 36 19.7 1.7 4.1 41.8 0.0 0.1 33.3 1.2 2.1 54.6 1.4 2.4 3.8 1.3 1.3 1.2 0.3 2.2 4.6
2005-06 ORL 20 13.0 1.4 3.4 39.7 0.0 0.1 0.0 1.6 2.3 71.1 1.2 2.3 3.5 0.7 0.8 0.6 0.1 1.0 4.3

and yet Brown called him delusional and benched for 11 of his last 13 games as a Knick. stats don't tell the whole story with Brown, but it's true that every single Knick averaged career lows in almost every category.

Great point about every knick averaging career lows under Brown. In fact, Brown has left a trail of players behind in his rareview (after being forced out of just about every single job he's had) who have all seen thier numbers increase after his exit.

oh c'mon.. i never get thrilled over a player whose stats get blowned up but still losing.. if trhey were winning then we can talk..

i was jus showin it as a joke dont mean much but i did like ariza would rather have him than steve

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by WOODMANnYk:

oh c'mon.. i never get thrilled over a player whose stats get blowned up but still losing.. if trhey were winning then we can talk..

Magic just won 8 in a row.

edit: they're 16-4 with Ariza playing. ah well.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 04-19-2006 11:34 PM]

I really hope you're not insinuating that Ariza is the reason they're 16-4 in their last 20.

Give me a break about Ariza. I can't believe how many people are getting worked up over the last game of the year in what amounted to an exhibition. Getting worked up about Ariza's numbers tonight is tantamount to being excited about the Knicks beating the Nets. Its moronic.

Ariza was a plus that Brown turned into a minus. That's pretty indisputable. He laid into the youngest guy on the team then bemoaned the lack of defenders and guys who were willing to sacrifice. There was no reason to destroy Ariza. And whether or not Ariza was "responsible" for the wins, he was a core rotation player for the last 19 games of the season and put up good numbers and helped them win. We need more guys like him.

edit: and clearly, I was responding to an assertion that Ariza had piled up meaningless numbers in losses. Sure, he piled up the numbers in meaningless wins, but that squad got 16 wins in 6 weeks. we got 16 wins in 6 months.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 04-20-2006 12:13 AM]

Posted by TymeLessKnicks:

ariza had no work ethic here. maybe the trade woke him up and in turn will make him achieve his potential to be bruce bowen without a shot.(which still makes him wack)

it took Bowen years to develop a shot. Ariza is 20. whatever, he's gone, just like our no.1 pick and just like our 05-06 season.

you don't remember Bowen from the Knicks/Heat series? couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and he never had the athleticism Ariza does. but he's spilt milk like the rest of this season, so, fine.