Posted by islesfan:

Obviously it's all LB's fault.

Posted by nyk4ever:

If it's not evident to everyone yet then I don't know when it ever will be. The players that need to be brought in here this offseason are character players who are about whats best for the team before whats best for themself. Guys like Steph, Stevie, Nate all need to go becuase they will NEVER make it on this team if they can't scale back on their games to make the rest of the team better. EVER.

So we have Steph sabotaging the team by not being aggressive enough at times; last night apparently Nate was deemed to do the same; Crawford for long stretches this season did nothing but dribble the ball up court and pass it off passively to someone else; and Francis, who's looked just terrible as a Knick, is saying to the press that he needs to get his "swagger" back.
So all of our point guards are collectively attempting to sabotage the system, obviously. Or maybe Larry Brown, famously hard on his point guards, has something to do with each and every instance of our points playing like zombies at various parts of the season.

This is not all Larry Brown's mess, but it's clear as day to me that a lot of our PG troubles are due to an incompatibility between the coach and the players. That is not necessarily an indictment on either the players or the coach. Maybe it's just a bad match through and through for two different parties who both have their respective strengths and weaknesses. But whatever it is, I don't think you can pin this on the players only and say they're "quitting" or trying to subvert the team, anymore than you can say Larry Brown is "quitting" and trying to subvert the team.

The fact that this has happened with *every* point guard on our roster, though, strongly indicates that Larry Brown very much has had a hand in our various episodes of PG malaise throughout the season. It's too simple minded to claim that it's all Brown's fault, or it's all the players' fault.

"We were having a hard time passing the ball," Brown said. [Nate] took it to another level. He gave up a lot of shots. I told him this is just as selflish in not taking an open shot."

Posted by tkf:

Posted by nyk4ever:

If it's not evident to everyone yet then I don't know when it ever will be. The players that need to be brought in here this offseason are character players who are about whats best for the team before whats best for themself. Guys like Steph, Stevie, Nate all need to go becuase they will NEVER make it on this team if they can't scale back on their games to make the rest of the team better. EVER.

good point, I mean LB didn't say anything that every player on that floor would not have said. Stop celebrating, and guard AI...

Posted by tomverve:

So we have Steph sabotaging the team by not being aggressive enough at times; last night apparently Nate was deemed to do the same; Crawford for long stretches this season did nothing but dribble the ball up court and pass it off passively to someone else; and Francis, who's looked just terrible as a Knick, is saying to the press that he needs to get his "swagger" back.

So all of our point guards are collectively attempting to sabotage the system, obviously. Or maybe Larry Brown, famously hard on his point guards, has something to do with each and every instance of our points playing like zombies at various parts of the season.

This is not all Larry Brown's mess, but it's clear as day to me that a lot of our PG troubles are due to an incompatibility between the coach and the players. That is not necessarily an indictment on either the players or the coach. Maybe it's just a bad match through and through for two different parties who both have their respective strengths and weaknesses. But whatever it is, I don't think you can pin this on the players only and say they're "quitting" or trying to subvert the team, anymore than you can say Larry Brown is "quitting" and trying to subvert the team.

The fact that this has happened with *every* point guard on our roster, though, strongly indicates that Larry Brown very much has had a hand in our various episodes of PG malaise throughout the season. It's too simple minded to claim that it's all Brown's fault, or it's all the players' fault.

[Edited by - tomverve on 04-05-2006 4:39 PM]

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Swishfm3:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by nyk4ever:

If it's not evident to everyone yet then I don't know when it ever will be. The players that need to be brought in here this offseason are character players who are about whats best for the team before whats best for themself. Guys like Steph, Stevie, Nate all need to go becuase they will NEVER make it on this team if they can't scale back on their games to make the rest of the team better. EVER.

good point, I mean LB didn't say anything that every player on that floor would not have said. Stop celebrating, and guard AI...

I didnt watch the game but can someone tell me exactly what Nate was doing? Was the kid doing cartwheels are somthing? Did he jump into the stands and start waving a towel in the air after each basket??

Nate scored, then did a magic trick, you know, the endless napkin trick.

the next possesion he hit a jumper, then did some globe trotter $hit with the bucket of confetti!

thats my fave right there...

but if he was doing all that during the game, then I agree...trade his asz!! there's a time and place for everything.


magic tricks on the basketball court...the nerve.