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I really just have no interest in just trading Nate:
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Allanfan20
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4/1/2006  10:09 AM
I know a lot of people have written him off now that we have both Francis and Marbury, and he definitely does act like, a number of times, like he has ADD (Which nobody here knows is true) but the guy plays his heart out and I see him turning out to be a good ars bball player. I mean, that's what we're looking for. Guys working their butts off, and actually competing to win. What kind of message would that be to send off the guys actually doing that. I think at this point, I'd rather trade Francis AND Marbury, who seem to have quit on the team, and ride with Nate, Craw, and whoever else PG we bring in.
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4/1/2006  10:14 AM
His best pawn chips are his three rookies, and JC, probably the only ones who should actually be untouchable.
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4/1/2006  10:23 AM
Trading Marbs and Francis will bring back more players than the Knicks roster can hold. There are gonna have to be buyouts of a few players...maybe Rose and Taylor....or some salary dump trades.

Brown and Marbs don't mix and Francis has shown he can't fit with Brown either. Francis has been terrible this entire year......I'm down to move both but it's gonna be tough.
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4/1/2006  10:28 AM
Nate is unstable. Not good for a coach that wants to play in the 80's to 90's.
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4/1/2006  10:36 AM
Nate has a lot to learn, but I really think he's worth sticking with. He has all the talent you could possibly stick into a 5'8" frame and he's got heart. I think with the utter lack of hope surrounding this team in other areas it's fine to let Nate grow out of his mistakes and see if he can put it all together.

Next season, I would love to have a backcourt of a Pure PG, Jamal backing him up, Qrich and Nate.
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4/1/2006  10:45 AM
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the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/1/2006  1:15 PM
Posted by McK1:

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when he's been healthy, he's played hard, good D and had a solid mid-range game. his outside shot has been crap all year, but I'm willing to take a look at him next season. he plays with heart. his value is at an all time low, he's not a cancer, it makes no sense to move him now.
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Posted by EnySpree:

Trading Marbs and Francis will bring back more players than the Knicks roster can hold. There are gonna have to be buyouts of a few players...maybe Rose and Taylor....or some salary dump trades.

Brown and Marbs don't mix and Francis has shown he can't fit with Brown either. Francis has been terrible this entire year......I'm down to move both but it's gonna be tough.

I agree but I would seriously consider moving these guys for a second tier player and guys that are easily cuttable...
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by EnySpree:

Trading Marbs and Francis will bring back more players than the Knicks roster can hold. There are gonna have to be buyouts of a few players...maybe Rose and Taylor....or some salary dump trades.

Brown and Marbs don't mix and Francis has shown he can't fit with Brown either. Francis has been terrible this entire year......I'm down to move both but it's gonna be tough.

I agree but I would seriously consider moving these guys for a second tier player and guys that are easily cuttable...

I would too but it's gonna be tough. Not too many deals out there make sense for both team. It's gonna be really tough.

by the way....where you been Bazooka?
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4/1/2006  7:03 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by EnySpree:

Trading Marbs and Francis will bring back more players than the Knicks roster can hold. There are gonna have to be buyouts of a few players...maybe Rose and Taylor....or some salary dump trades.

Brown and Marbs don't mix and Francis has shown he can't fit with Brown either. Francis has been terrible this entire year......I'm down to move both but it's gonna be tough.

I agree but I would seriously consider moving these guys for a second tier player and guys that are easily cuttable...

I would too but it's gonna be tough. Not too many deals out there make sense for both team. It's gonna be really tough.

by the way....where you been Bazooka?

Mykenzie has been keeping me busy now...she is mobile (in her walker) I've been online just not on AIM hardly....

I had a deal:


Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
4.4 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.3 minutes

Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.5 apg in 33.5 minutes

Troy Hudson
6-1 PG from Southern Illinois
9.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 22.1 minutes

A resigned Marcus Banks (3/4 MLE should hold up under cap rules in this trade)

for

Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
3.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.1 minutes

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech

Buy out Hudson (if his knee is that bad-He acconts for between 5 and 6 mil over the next 3 starting next year)....

Honestly, if there is no market for Jalen (for Jalen I would look for a High draft pick in 08) and for Mo I would package him with Francis for a package of Ratliff (a FA after next year) and Miles maybe....

Draft Gibson-have an open comp for the starting PG spot- with the Nuggets pick, use the last pick on an Adnre Blatche type of pick to stick in the D-League for a couple years to develop.

Curry/Ratliff/Butler
Frye/Griffin/Lee
Miles/Q2/Hassell/Rose
Craw/Q1
Banks/Nate/Gibson
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4/2/2006  7:01 AM
from vescey...
http://www.nypost.com/sports/61858.htm

very good point

Nate Robinson, as you recall, was anointed to that rookie team, I think for being electrifyingly squat and short-circuited. Friday against the victorious 76ers, in the absence of Francis, Quentin Richardson and ultimately, Stephon Marbury, the adorable head case ballooned for 34 points on 9-14 FG accuracy and 14-15 FT marksmanship.

Some might call that addition by attrition. How does his coach view such a performance? Does Brown think Robinson "played the right way?" How many wins does he predict the Knicks will win with the clueless Robinson leading the clueless in scoring and shots? Had Francis or Marbury put up 34 points and two assists in 43 minutes, would Brown have graded them as playing the right way? When you're the same size as Earl Boykins, is it OK to play like him?

I wonder, do league rules allow Robinson 15 chances to record his third assist?


I like nate, but the double standard is almost mind boggling. Marbs and Francis are way better. I'd rather have them.
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Posted by rvhoss:

from vescey...
http://www.nypost.com/sports/61858.htm

very good point

Nate Robinson, as you recall, was anointed to that rookie team, I think for being electrifyingly squat and short-circuited. Friday against the victorious 76ers, in the absence of Francis, Quentin Richardson and ultimately, Stephon Marbury, the adorable head case ballooned for 34 points on 9-14 FG accuracy and 14-15 FT marksmanship.

Some might call that addition by attrition. How does his coach view such a performance? Does Brown think Robinson "played the right way?" How many wins does he predict the Knicks will win with the clueless Robinson leading the clueless in scoring and shots? Had Francis or Marbury put up 34 points and two assists in 43 minutes, would Brown have graded them as playing the right way? When you're the same size as Earl Boykins, is it OK to play like him?

I wonder, do league rules allow Robinson 15 chances to record his third assist?


I like nate, but the double standard is almost mind boggling. Marbs and Francis are way better. I'd rather have them.

what double standard? nobody said nate was better than marbury/francis.
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4/2/2006  10:36 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

from vescey...
http://www.nypost.com/sports/61858.htm

very good point

Nate Robinson, as you recall, was anointed to that rookie team, I think for being electrifyingly squat and short-circuited. Friday against the victorious 76ers, in the absence of Francis, Quentin Richardson and ultimately, Stephon Marbury, the adorable head case ballooned for 34 points on 9-14 FG accuracy and 14-15 FT marksmanship.

Some might call that addition by attrition. How does his coach view such a performance? Does Brown think Robinson "played the right way?" How many wins does he predict the Knicks will win with the clueless Robinson leading the clueless in scoring and shots? Had Francis or Marbury put up 34 points and two assists in 43 minutes, would Brown have graded them as playing the right way? When you're the same size as Earl Boykins, is it OK to play like him?

I wonder, do league rules allow Robinson 15 chances to record his third assist?


I like nate, but the double standard is almost mind boggling. Marbs and Francis are way better. I'd rather have them.

I wonder what's more intelligent. A stack of bricks or Peter Vescey.
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Posted by Allanfan20:

I know a lot of people have written him off now that we have both Francis and Marbury, and he definitely does act like, a number of times, like he has ADD (Which nobody here knows is true) but the guy plays his heart out and I see him turning out to be a good ars bball player. I mean, that's what we're looking for. Guys working their butts off, and actually competing to win. What kind of message would that be to send off the guys actually doing that. I think at this point, I'd rather trade Francis AND Marbury, who seem to have quit on the team, and ride with Nate, Craw, and whoever else PG we bring in.
Would you trade Nate for Kurt Thomas?

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4/3/2006  8:29 AM
"He's the furthest thing from a point guard right now," Brown said of Robinson.

Of course, the Knicks are the furthest thing from a good team. They lost their eighth consecutive game, committing 26 turnovers and allowing Philadelphia to shoot 54.9 percent. Stephon Marbury was on the bench with a strained left patella tendon.

Robinson never got comfortable as part of the Knicks' 41st starting lineup, which tied the N.B.A. record for most starting lineups in a season.

Just as Marbury has endured Brown's harsh criticism from the beginning, so, too, has Robinson. Robinson said he sought Iverson's advice on how to handle Brown; Iverson also clashed with Brown when Brown coached here. Iverson told Robinson to pay attention to the message, not the tone.

"It's kind of hard not to listen to how it was said instead of trying to take everything personally," Robinson said. "You're trying to do everything right for him, and it ain't good enough."

He added: "At the same time, he's trying to help me, trying to coach me. That's how I have to look at it now."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/sports/basketball/03knicks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Nate is starting to sound like Steph
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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That last line is the attitude I wish Steph had.
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4/3/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by McK1:
"He's the furthest thing from a point guard right now," Brown said of Robinson.

Of course, the Knicks are the furthest thing from a good team. They lost their eighth consecutive game, committing 26 turnovers and allowing Philadelphia to shoot 54.9 percent. Stephon Marbury was on the bench with a strained left patella tendon.

Robinson never got comfortable as part of the Knicks' 41st starting lineup, which tied the N.B.A. record for most starting lineups in a season.

Just as Marbury has endured Brown's harsh criticism from the beginning, so, too, has Robinson. Robinson said he sought Iverson's advice on how to handle Brown; Iverson also clashed with Brown when Brown coached here. Iverson told Robinson to pay attention to the message, not the tone.

"It's kind of hard not to listen to how it was said instead of trying to take everything personally," Robinson said. "You're trying to do everything right for him, and it ain't good enough."

He added: "At the same time, he's trying to help me, trying to coach me. That's how I have to look at it now."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/03/sports/basketball/03knicks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Nate is starting to sound like Steph


how is he sounding like steph when he said he's trying to help and coach me....steph would never say that
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4/3/2006  10:01 AM
Francis now looks like another terrible move because we have to move two players, perhaps Atlanta might be open to trading for francis and not resigning harrington which would be in their best interest to put smith and marvin williams in the front court and draft a big man and just go uptempo, francis only has two years left on his deal or maybe they just get james.....

U may have to include frye to get rid of marbury as well so we need to be open to anything, josh smith in a frye marbury package would be worth it in my opinion that kid is already a better rebounder and defender than frye and its addition by subtraction with marbury
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4/3/2006  11:02 AM
ROBINSON GOES FROM STUD TO DUD IN LATEST LOSS
By MARC BERMAN

April 3, 2006 -- PHILADELPHIA - Rookie guard Nate Robinson responded to Larry Brown's negative reinforcement with a poor outing last night, feeling the criticism affected his game. Robinson questioned whether he can have the demeanor the Knicks coach wants him to have.

After his career-best 34-point night against the Sixers on Friday, Robinson was a dud last night, with 10 points on 4-of-12 shooting and three turnovers as the Knicks dropped their eighth straight, 114-95, to Philadelphia at Wachovia Center.

Allen Iverson again torched Robinson for 32 points in 31 minutes. Robinson is now the starting point guard in Stephon Marbury's absence.

With 10 games left, the Knicks, at an incomprehensible 19-53, need a 3-7 finish to avoid the worst record in team history. They committed 26 turnovers last night, leading to 36 Philly points.

After Robinson's big effort Friday drew a standing ovation from the crowd at the Garden, Brown said he wished Robinson wouldn't showboat, pointing out Iverson singed him for 47 points and did not carry on.

Robinson took offense to the remark.

"I felt kind of awkward today, just got to play through it," Robinson said. "I was not doing some of the things like I do, like getting my teammates hyped. I felt if I did that, Coach might be mad at me."

Of his ****y demeanor, Robinson said: "That's who I am. That's been me my whole life. It's hard to ask me not to do it."

*

At least Knicks rookie David Lee will get on national TV tonight (yesterday's Knicks game was bounced off ABC). On Brown's urging, Lee will head to Indianapolis to attend the NCAA Championship game between his alma mater, Florida, and UCLA . . . Brown said he expects Marbury (knee) to return before the season finale. Quentin Richardson (thumb) and Jalen Rose (foot, knee) also missed last night's game. Rose will have MRI today . . . Steve Francis (toe) returned but didn't start . . . Thanks to Brown's chaotic rotations, the Knicks tied the NBA record for the most different starting lineups in a season with 41, tying the mark set by Golden State. Last season, the Knicks used eight.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/63953.htm


Larry's negativity and nitpicking MUST stop. This is just a microcosm of what's happened to the team as a whole.

Woo else tries to motivate the team? It damn sure isn't the "coach".
It's not Nate that should change his demeanor, it's Larry effin' Brown.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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4/3/2006  11:17 AM
Hardcore I agree with Larry and his nit picking and bull **** needs to stop he is just trying to get himself fired, or isiah fired; but Nate does need to get a clue sometimes, ur down 15 to the lakers and you stare the bench down after a dunk, u celebrate after a defeat we just need to get him in order and he will be a great player....
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