and we still stink next year where we depend on chicago stinking? Does anyone think we fouled this curry trade up just a tad knowing that chicago was nOT going to resign him--actually offering 200mm so that he retires+ no one offering him a piece of cheese during FA? Not only do we miss out on a impact player, but it becomes apparent that we could be screwed for next year now--this is the first time Im realizing that we really could be awful again, that there is a reasonably high possibility of that.

Its not the Eddy Curry stuff, it was the dumb, arrogant mindless negotiating that went into the deal that has crippled the franchise. Its fine to take a risk on Eddy Curry--to pay for that risk--but to take away OUR insurance like this --i mean litteraly look at the players the Bulls might get over the next two year--and they nEVER had intention on playing eddy again.

My friends Isiah bought land under the brooklyn bridge

even the most ardent supporters--if you look at this deal and take of the rose-colored glasses--its not the RISKY acquisition of curry that was bad--its what we gave up when we couldve been patient about it.

Briggs, you're totally right.
And this is not bandwagon stuff. You said this all from the beginning. This deal alone is grounds for firing him.
Not protecting those picks 1-5, was ridiculous. And those arguments
that he would have been top pick in the draft, are bogus.
I guarantee, we could have had him AND protected those picks for 1-5.


Unfortunately, we're the suckers that continue to root for a team
with mindless, rotten management.

You know, you go on and on and on and on and on and on ad nauseum about how Isiah could have kept these picks. But you are talking with all due respect out of your arse. Curry was a RFA. Chicago could have kept him for another year at +-5 mill, and if they decided not to play him at all, fine. I guarantee you that a year later, after having not played for an entire year, Curry would either be A. Unfit to play in the league or B. so grossly undervalued that he would have signed on with a championship team that didnt need him at the moment ie the Spurs for the league minimum.

Isiah knew he only had one shot at Curry. Chicago held all the chips here. They didnt have to trade him. They didnt have to do ANYTHING. It doesnt matter how many people were out there trying to get him, the price was set!! Why cant you just understand that?

Im not apologizing for any of Isiah's moves. He made a gamble by trading for Eddy Curry. At this moment, It looks like the gamble didnt pay off. But there is still time for that to change. Let first wait and see who we missed out on in the draft, and lets also wait and see what Eddy will look like next year before we call this deal a complete bust. Noone expected us to be the worst team in the league this year. Championship contenders no, but worst? I dont blame Isiah for expecting this team to have done a little better then they did.

But to say that he could have gotten Curry cheaper just because there was no other teams vying for him is completely obtuse. It didnt matter how many team were there, this is what Chicago wanted. For all you know, Chicago wanted much much more for him but WE drove THEIR price down.

We can debate about whether Curry will be worth what we paid for him, and thats cool. He has a lot to live up to. But dont say we could have gotten him for cheaper. He had a price and we paid it. End of story.

Posted by McK1:

turn GM duties over to Kiki.

with LB's eye for talent and Kiki's ability to make deals and acquire useful players, this thing will be turned around in no time.

[Edited by - McK1 on 03-27-2006 09:26 AM]

Here's one thing I wonder about Kiki. If Joe had nabbed Melo, would Kiki, the man who brought us Skita at #5, have grabbed Darko over Bosh and Wade?

Yesteray's news. The Curry deal turned out to be a disaster. We all know that by now.

Posted by fishmike:

Get someone in here who gets the chemistry thing, and can trade for players without overpaying to a point that hurts the franchise.

Time for new

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/kiki_vandeweghe.htm

draft record nothing to write home about but his record with trades outstanding

even recouped on Skita and got an 07 first round pick (top 7 protected Dallas' via GS) for him and Rodney White...

and he managed to deal max MLE Earl Watson for Patterson (1 yr remaining) and Evans (expiring after this season). Meanwhile Jerome James is still eating cheeseburgers at NY's expense

[Edited by - McK1 on 03-27-2006 10:22 AM]

Posted by Pharzeone:

My concern is that Brown talks too much telling the press the Knicks gameplan, who they been scouting. Tyrus is your guy, then scout the guy in private why does everything have to go to the public.

where did you read the Knicks were scouting Thomas?

Larry Brown follows the college game about as faithfully as anyone. He is a fan of the game. It was reported Brown recommended Paul to the Hornets.

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Posted by firefly:

You know, you go on and on and on and on and on and on ad nauseum about how Isiah could have kept these picks. But you are talking with all due respect out of your arse. Curry was a RFA.


---> You aren't stating the facts correctly.

Chicago had *limited* leverage with Curry. They *already* offered him to *retire* and give him a payment of 20mm. They had asked him to perform a DNA analysis to continue playing for them--which he did not do.

NO team in FA offered him anything. Teams could not acquire insurance due to his risk factors.


So where is there leverage? They really had 0. We could've been patient. We rabn at Jerome James with an MLE[a huge mistake] and if it were available--may have been Curry's only option. Even if Curry sat out a year, we couldve signed him to an MLE this year--he simply would not get more money than that without insurance. We stood pat on holding back Lee and Ariza[who we basically cut] and offered what COULDVE been 2 very high lottery picks[which is now coming to 50% reality] Mike Sweetney and 2 2nd round picks.


My question what is our record if we did not do this trade?

My question where is the DOWNSIDE protection for this trade--you know if Curry's heart forced him out?

Question--why couldnt we just be patient on the deal? Curry was going nowhere


These questions were brought up since day 1 of the trade. Sure I would say many of us were quite esxcited when it went down, but that doesnt dismiss not having downside protection bartered in. It was terrible business and its going to cost this franchise multi millions.

Congratulations! The 1,001st thread about this!

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by edsonline:

Congratulations! The 1,001st thread about this!

exactly

lol... you *do* see the humor in a guy with 10,000 posts whining about redundancy dont you?

who's Mr. Perfect? Was oohah on this thread?

Bonn, for a PHD program you appear to be a bit light on the math, so let me help. You have 9600 posts in 26 months. I have 7300 in 45 months. You average 369 a month. I average 162. You post exactly 228% more than I do, or for the math challenged well over twice as much.

See? Thats something new!