I'd start by cleaning house... a sequence of trades:

Mo Taylor & SA #1 PICK to Golden State for Pietrus & Foyle

David Lee & Nate Robinson to Seattle for Luke Ridnour

Stephon Marbury & Jackie Butler to LA Lakers for Lamar Odom & Aaron Mckie

3 Way trade between Cavs, Rockets and Knicks
Houston gets: Drew Gooden, Ira Newble and Damon Jones
Cleveland gets: Steve Francis
New York gets: Stromile Swift and Eric Snow

Draft: Marcus Williams PG UCONN
Waive: Aaron Mckie

MY NEW LOOK NY KNICKS

C-Curry/Foyle/James
PF- Swift/Frye/M.Rose
SF- Odom/Pietrus/J.Rose
SG- Richardson/Crawford
PG- Ridnour/Snow/Williams

The Seattle trade is beyond awful.

Posted by JayNYC:

Posted by Rich:

The Seattle trade is beyond awful.

WHY??? How So...?

Luke Ridnour is exactly the type of Point Guard that NYK needs in the Larry Brown system. A pass first, playmaking point guard that can hit an open shot and keep opposing defenses honest. So what we'd give up David Lee and Nate, they are both bench role players.. Ridnour would be a more than servicible starting #1 PG.. IMO

[Edited by - JayNYC on 03-14-2006 12:01 AM]

What other big man on this team is tough, can rebound, tries to defend, can pass, and seems to be improving his shot?

IMO, none. Only Lee.

I'm not impressed with Ridnour.

What other big man on this team is tough, can rebound, tries to defend, can pass, and seems to be improving his shot?

IMO, none. Only Lee.

I'm not impressed with Ridnour.

My proposed trade has DEFENSE as the primary focus. Foyle, Swift,Pietrus and Snow would be more than adequate replacements on that end. If anything, the only down fall of this trade is the contracts of Adonal Foyle and Eric Snow. Giving up David Lee and Nate for Luke Ridnour shouldn't be as bad when you consider that point. Furthermore, he is a true point guard in every sense of the word!!! What's not to like about getting him? So what it would be at the expense of David Lee. How many David Lee's are there in the league? High energy, hustle tweener forwards w/ raw offensive talent? PLENTY! Those guys come a dime a dozen... but floor generals, are not all that common. In fact Point guards and Centers are the hardest positions to fill in this league, especially given the fact that most guards are more and more inclined to shoot first and fill the stat sheet than be playmaking fundementally sound LEADERS, an extention of their coach on the floor!

Luke Ridnour is one of those type of PG's... Larry Brown would love this kid!

ANYWAY, I appreciate your responses.. How Would you fix the NY Knicks, as the title of this thread asks?

[Edited by - JayNYC on 03-14-2006 12:24 AM]

sg is a bigger problem here than pg in my opninion. i think marbury has to go, but francis so far seems to be better with the team, and brown seems to actualy like him, even though he is not a classic "brown guy." getting a guy who can stretch the defense and play off the ball(maybe Redick) would really help this team. but all this ridnour talk doesnt make sense to me, why give up lee and robinson for a guy who is not as good as either of them?

Fire Larry...

Fix NY Knicks = start Jerome James

Posted by franco12:

your suggestion to make all these trades, imho, is part of the problem.

I would argue that to fix the knicks you don't trade any of the rookies and any trade you make is to dump salary.

I might look to move marbury at a price (include pick, etc..) but otherwise i'd move anyone for less 'talent' if their contract was shorter.

You may have a point about shaving salary, and not trading rookies (I MIGHT TEND TO AGREE UNDER ANY OTHER TEAMS CIRCUMSTANCES).. But I think that is NOT and NEVER WILL be applicable to our NY Knicks; especially when you have a structurally flawed roster with LOW basketball IQ's in the fold.


If you look at my trade scenario.. Whether you love it or hate it.. You can't deny, how it would (A) Balance our team by giving us a more conventional lineup, and gives us smarter basketball minds on the floor. (B) Increases our TEAM defense. (C) Kills the concept of trading for "me first" players, by instead taking on high quality ROLE players that can contribute to wins.

Did I also mention that it gives Larry Brown, what he wants.. SYSTEM GUYS, that are coachable and play defense! People should also note that, Curry and Frye would both remain in this scenario. WHY, wouldn't anyone be in favor of this deal?

What because of the contracts of Eric Snow or Adonal Foyle? Does anyone realistically believe that the Garden is worried about losing money? They make 7 million every time the Garden opens up.. Be 4 real! The Knicks are way over the cap.. no teams are gonna be willing to allow the Knicks to dump salary on them. Trades like the one I proposed, should actually be viewed as positives.

[Edited by - JayNYC on 03-14-2006 09:13 AM]

Bring in the following players:

Mike Gansey

Josh Boone

This years's Ronny Turiaf clone from Summer League

... and the next great forward from Virginia Union University sophomore Brad Byerson 6'7 250 after next season

Best five play

Joey dorsey from Memphis

1) Trade Marbury, J.James and #1 (SA) for Jaric, Hassell, Blount and #1 (Minn) pick. Bye Starbury.
2) Package both #1s(Den and Minn/SA)to move up in draft - try to get up to 10-13 range.
3) Depending on who we draft - sign M.James or R.Evans with MLE.
4) Try to trade Crawford with an exp contract (M.Taylor or J.Rose) for draft pick and/or defensive/team player with short or expiring contract. Antonio Daniels was a good suggestion. Maybe Reggie Evans in a sign and trade. Pietrus would be great but don't know how we could get him
5) If possible, try to acquire G.Wallace. There is not a better 2 way player at his salary that we could find. He is young and still raw, but reminds me of a less offensively developed version of Ron Artest. I would make Lee available in this trade as Wallace brings the same qualities as Lee. Use one of our #1s if necessary. Name a better small forward that fits our needs (defense, toughness, effort) at his age and salary.
6) Bring back Patrick Ewing to work with Curry (and James). If during preseason, Curry is still not in good condition - sit his ass to start the season. Do not play him until he is physically conditioned to play.
7) Start Lee next to Curry. Bring Frye off bench. Lee is more active and a better rebounder than Frye. Since Curry can't rebound well and is slow on defense - it's important to have an active body. If we get Reggie Evans - you could start him next to Curry as well. Frye provides instant offense off the bench, and gets time to work on his offensive abilities (driving to basket) and defensive rebounding and boxing out. The problem is all about Curry needing to step up and become competent on defense and rebounding. I love Frye, but think Lee could cover up our front line problems better.




Francis (M.James and/or N.Robinson)
Q.Richardson (Jaric)
Woods (Hassell) - G.Wallace would be great!
Lee (Frye and/or R.Evans)
Curry (Blount)

IR - J.James, M.Rose, J.Rose or M.Taylor (depending on who's traded)