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Bonn1997
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2/26/2006  12:17 PM
I really wanted it to work but I've given up. I think someone with better judgment than Isiah could have done a much better job within the parameters that I suspect Cablevision/Dolan sets for all GMs of not being able to take any steps backwards in order to genuinely rebuild. However, I'm growing more and more skeptical of that approach ever being able to build a championship team. I think Islesfan, fish, and others got everything right before many of us, definitely before me.

I don't have any ill wishes toward Isiah. I think he tried his best. He should try to get back into coaching, maybe at Indiana. If he resigns, I hope he does so in a classy manner and states that although he always tried his best, he made his share of mistakes and is sorry for them.
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What do we do from here?

1) Pick a year to get under the cap first. Maybe 2009/2010 season.
2) Take back additional salary and be compensated with draft picks or young players for expiring contracts *so long as the additional salary does not extend into that projected year of getting under the cap.* We can use our financial advantage during this period intelligently to build a strong young foundation by getting good young players and draft picks.

3) Buy out the contracts of some of the players who have bad long-term contracts if you can't move them this offseason (Malik, JJ).

4) Use our financial advantage to offer the best GMs/Coaches/scouts deals they can't turn down. For GMs and coaches, it may take a little while until the ship starts going in the right direction for them to be willing to come along but eventually they would.
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2/26/2006  12:42 PM
I am Isiah supporter and I not going anywhere....I will take on one and all because you can't dispute the facts...Because a few of you have reason now to push Isiah over the ledge means nothing to me...I am a fair individual...I have been watching the game for some time now...The GM so far has done his job...He has upgrade the talent since being here...Your problem with Isiah is that we haven't won..Thats on the coach if you want to be fair...but you don't...It can't be Larry..
Larry has done the worst job of anyone this year and he isn't even touched.....So let me hear your agruments and I'll bring mine...Let's see who holds water...
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2/26/2006  12:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

What do we do from here?

1) Pick a year to get under the cap first. Maybe 2009/2010 season.
2) Take back additional salary and be compensated with draft picks or young players for expiring contracts *so long as the additional salary does not extend into that projected year of getting under the cap.* We can use our financial advantage during this period intelligently to build a strong young foundation by getting good young players and draft picks.

3) Buy out the contracts of some of the players who have bad long-term contracts if you can't move them this offseason (Malik, JJ).

4) Use our financial advantage to offer the best GMs/Coaches/scouts deals they can't turn down. For GMs and coaches, it may take a little while until the ship starts going in the right direction for them to be willing to come along but eventually they would.



Getting under the cap guarantees nothing.....Ask the Clippers,Atlanta,New Orleans,Orlando,Charlotte,
Cavs, and I can name more...As a Knicks fan you think getting under the cap mean you will get the best free agent....Not the case...Not everyone wants to play here...Look at the fans...They have no patients and won't let you grow here...How many trade Frye postings have I seem...It's just amazing...Who wants to come here except for money....The media is just as tough...Why come here when I can make just as much money without the scrutiny?
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2/26/2006  12:52 PM
Isiah is garbage!! all you isiah supporters need to wake up and realized that he;s destroyed the knicks franchise... The damage is done..

When he took over, there was a btter solution to the probelms we already had but no, he made it worse..

I can't believe they picked this guy to run the knicks.. he got fired by the raptors, he got fired by larry bird in indiana and most of all, he killed the old CBA league which he had controlled of . BAD TRACK RECORD..

also , no GM out there was willing to work with the idiot owner name Dolan!! that's why Steve Mills decided to give assiah a shot to redeemed himself after he was let go by the pacers..

last thing, he's a piston in blood, not knicks!!

By larry bird firing assiah, should've prove to everyone around the league that he's horrible @ managing(trades, free agents signings).. the only thing he 's done was make other teams better(phoenix and chicago last yr)

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 02-26-2006 12:53 PM]
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2/26/2006  12:55 PM
I don't blame Isiah for the way this team is playing, I blame LB. This team has had no cohesion all season, that's not the GM's fault!! Most of the players don't know if or when they'll play, how could they get used to each other? LB's heavy-handedness is the problem. Why are our hustle players not getting much burn: Lee, QWoods, Jackie B?, they are the ones playing like they care when they are out there. Bringing in JJ was not a bad decision because he didn't know he'd get Curry (the financial part is the market, you can't get around it). No, I don't blame Isiah. This team is not responding to a heavy-handed coach. I don't even believe Isiah wanted to hire LB, I think it was pressure from the owners. They wanted a big name coach and to put people in those seats.....but the coaches style and the players don't match.....sure they won't fire LB (they'd look stupid) so they will find players that will play LB's style....it'll just take another 2 or 3 years, maybe more.
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2/26/2006  12:59 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Isiah is garbage!! all you isiah supporters need to wake up and realized that he;s destroyed the knicks franchise... The damage is done..

When he took over, there was a btter solution to the probelms we already had but no, he made it worse..

I can't believe they picked this guy to run the knicks.. he got fired by the raptors, he got fired by larry bird in indiana and most of all, he killed the old CBA league which he had controlled of . BAD TRACK RECORD..

also , no GM out there was willing to work with the idiot owner name Dolan!! that's why Steve Mills decided to give assiah a shot to redeemed himself after he was let go by the pacers..

last thing, he's a piston in blood, not knicks!!

By larry bird firing assiah, should've prove to everyone around the league that he's horrible @ managing(trades, free agents signings).. the only thing he 's done was make other teams better(phoenix and chicago last yr)

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 02-26-2006 12:53 PM]



Ok you got that off your chest...Now give me facts.....Does the Knicks have more talent now than in previous years? Who is responsible for this talent playing together? Did you think the coach is doing all he can to win?...I have more if you like
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2/26/2006  1:01 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What do we do from here?

1) Pick a year to get under the cap first. Maybe 2009/2010 season.
2) Take back additional salary and be compensated with draft picks or young players for expiring contracts *so long as the additional salary does not extend into that projected year of getting under the cap.* We can use our financial advantage during this period intelligently to build a strong young foundation by getting good young players and draft picks.

3) Buy out the contracts of some of the players who have bad long-term contracts if you can't move them this offseason (Malik, JJ).

4) Use our financial advantage to offer the best GMs/Coaches/scouts deals they can't turn down. For GMs and coaches, it may take a little while until the ship starts going in the right direction for them to be willing to come along but eventually they would.



Getting under the cap guarantees nothing.....Ask the Clippers,Atlanta,New Orleans,Orlando,Charlotte,
Cavs, and I can name more...As a Knicks fan you think getting under the cap mean you will get the best free agent....Not the case...Not everyone wants to play here...Look at the fans...They have no patients and won't let you grow here...How many trade Frye postings have I seem...It's just amazing...Who wants to come here except for money....The media is just as tough...Why come here when I can make just as much money without the scrutiny?



Good point, it's the fans, the fans have destroyed the Knicks.

As for IT... he has "done his job" ...really? Last I checked his job was to win or to set a plan in motion that will get us there eventually.
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2/26/2006  1:03 PM
If you want to blame Isiah for the way the players are playing then give him the coaching job.....It's just unbelievable, the guy has had the best draft in the NBA in the past season....Now we want him fired...Are you crazy...People were dying to come here before Brown got here...Now, with Brown and his antics who knows....

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-26-2006 1:04 PM]
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2/26/2006  1:06 PM
Posted by Travla:

I don't blame Isiah for the way this team is playing, I blame LB. This team has had no cohesion all season, that's not the GM's fault!! Most of the players don't know if or when they'll play, how could they get used to each other? LB's heavy-handedness is the problem. Why are our hustle players not getting much burn: Lee, QWoods, Jackie B?, they are the ones playing like they care when they are out there. Bringing in JJ was not a bad decision because he didn't know he'd get Curry (the financial part is the market, you can't get around it). No, I don't blame Isiah. This team is not responding to a heavy-handed coach. I don't even believe Isiah wanted to hire LB, I think it was pressure from the owners. They wanted a big name coach and to put people in those seats.....but the coaches style and the players don't match.....sure they won't fire LB (they'd look stupid) so they will find players that will play LB's style....it'll just take another 2 or 3 years, maybe more.

It is Zeke's fault because he should get the type of players that would fit into the coaches system.. LArry is all about fundamentals, working hard and play defense..

Zeke only obtain players that are athetically skilled.. You don't have to be athetically skilled to win a championship... these guys he obtained via trades or free-agents are soft and don't play dee..!!
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2/26/2006  1:07 PM
Give him the coaching job... or just can him. He can draft, that I'll readily admit. Anything else, forget it. I'd list his shortcomings except I'm afraid I'd be accused of plagiarism by anyone who has ever objectively evaluated his performance.
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2/26/2006  1:09 PM
when you state that eddy curry is a 1nce every twenty year player or you need guys like jamal crawford to make the finals--you dig your own grave--the gM is supposed to evaulate talent

so if he believes this, and he has given HUGE money to Jerome James Q-Rich[via KT] who he didnt have to resign at all, malik rose mo taylor tim thomas vin baker penny hardaway etc....... i mean it speaks for itself--hes done a terrible job, no one can defend this arse-backwards job.
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2/26/2006  1:10 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Isiah is garbage!! all you isiah supporters need to wake up and realized that he;s destroyed the knicks franchise... The damage is done..

When he took over, there was a btter solution to the probelms we already had but no, he made it worse..

I can't believe they picked this guy to run the knicks.. he got fired by the raptors, he got fired by larry bird in indiana and most of all, he killed the old CBA league which he had controlled of . BAD TRACK RECORD..

also , no GM out there was willing to work with the idiot owner name Dolan!! that's why Steve Mills decided to give assiah a shot to redeemed himself after he was let go by the pacers..

last thing, he's a piston in blood, not knicks!!

By larry bird firing assiah, should've prove to everyone around the league that he's horrible @ managing(trades, free agents signings).. the only thing he 's done was make other teams better(phoenix and chicago last yr)

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 02-26-2006 12:53 PM]



Ok you got that off your chest...Now give me facts.....Does the Knicks have more talent now than in previous years? Who is responsible for this talent playing together? Did you think the coach is doing all he can to win?...I have more if you like

MY BROTHER!! IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT TALENT.. it's about the will to win and working hard. Playing hardnose defense and playing the right way.. not looking confused out there but also show no fear while playing..


These kats with all the talent are damn confused out there. . They play soft and no defense.. opposing teams are making a joke out of the knicks like Arenas yesterday.. after each shot, he was just laughing....

i remember days with the knicks where an opponent would cry instead of laugh cause the knicks were an oppnent's nightmare..
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2/26/2006  1:11 PM
Posted by mythfaze:

Give him the coaching job... or just can him. He can draft, that I'll readily admit. Anything else, forget it. I'd list his shortcomings except I'm afraid I'd be accused of plagiarism by anyone who has ever objectively evaluated his performance.

You won't have a problem plagiarising because no one has come up with any facts yet....They all blame for because the Knicks aren't winning...HMM, I always though that was the coach's job, to get the team to play as a unit...Go for it...convince me that Isiah is not doing his job....
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2/26/2006  1:14 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Isiah is garbage!! all you isiah supporters need to wake up and realized that he;s destroyed the knicks franchise... The damage is done..

When he took over, there was a btter solution to the probelms we already had but no, he made it worse..

I can't believe they picked this guy to run the knicks.. he got fired by the raptors, he got fired by larry bird in indiana and most of all, he killed the old CBA league which he had controlled of . BAD TRACK RECORD..

also , no GM out there was willing to work with the idiot owner name Dolan!! that's why Steve Mills decided to give assiah a shot to redeemed himself after he was let go by the pacers..

last thing, he's a piston in blood, not knicks!!

By larry bird firing assiah, should've prove to everyone around the league that he's horrible @ managing(trades, free agents signings).. the only thing he 's done was make other teams better(phoenix and chicago last yr)

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 02-26-2006 12:53 PM]



Ok you got that off your chest...Now give me facts.....Does the Knicks have more talent now than in previous years? Who is responsible for this talent playing together? Did you think the coach is doing all he can to win?...I have more if you like

MY BROTHER!! IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT TALENT.. it's about the will to win and working hard. Playing hardnose defense and playing the right way.. not looking confused out there but also show no fear while playing..


These kats with all the talent are damn confused out there. . They play soft and no defense.. opposing teams are making a joke out of the knicks like Arenas yesterday.. after each shot, he was just laughing....

i remember days with the knicks where an opponent would cry instead of laugh cause the knicks were an oppnent's nightmare..


Also, the word *talent* is quite subjective to some. Is there any player on this team who has the talent level of Steve Nash? Dwayne Wade? Chris Bosh? I mean for 500mm $ spent youd think wed have one young ELITE level talent. The *talent* we have is mix-matched heartless and over-rated. That is why we are down 20 every game. Fck the coach, who cares wouldnt you play as hard as you could no matter what? No pride in the individuals on this team, no character.
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2/26/2006  1:14 PM
As I wrote Woodmannyk. Isiah will get the players, it'll just take him a few years to change most of roster again!! I don't believe Isiah wanted LB, he didn't have a choice so he has to get the players LB needs, he just can't do it in one season. When Isiah came here, he wanted athletes and a running team, why would he suddenly get a coach that doesn't play that style?.....because the owners directed him to do so. That's all I'm saying!!
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2/26/2006  1:17 PM
Posted by Travla:

As I wrote Woodmannyk. Isiah will get the players, it'll just take him a few years to change most of roster again!! I don't believe Isiah wanted LB, he didn't have a choice so he has to get the players LB needs, he just can't do it in one season. When Isiah came here, he wanted athletes and a running team, why would he suddenly get a coach that doesn't play that style?.....because the owners directed him to do so. That's all I'm saying!!

Travla, that is good and all, but if he comes out and says Eddy Curry is a 1nce every 20 year talent u need jamal crawford to win championships, gives jerome james 32mm--isnt that a red flag--not including all the other disasters?
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2/26/2006  1:19 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by mythfaze:

Give him the coaching job... or just can him. He can draft, that I'll readily admit. Anything else, forget it. I'd list his shortcomings except I'm afraid I'd be accused of plagiarism by anyone who has ever objectively evaluated his performance.

You won't have a problem plagiarising because no one has come up with any facts yet....They all blame for because the Knicks aren't winning...HMM, I always though that was the coach's job, to get the team to play as a unit...Go for it...convince me that Isiah is not doing his job....
He's a piston in blood, not a knick.. get him outta here..
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2/26/2006  1:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Travla:

As I wrote Woodmannyk. Isiah will get the players, it'll just take him a few years to change most of roster again!! I don't believe Isiah wanted LB, he didn't have a choice so he has to get the players LB needs, he just can't do it in one season. When Isiah came here, he wanted athletes and a running team, why would he suddenly get a coach that doesn't play that style?.....because the owners directed him to do so. That's all I'm saying!!

Travla, that is good and all, but if he comes out and says Eddy Curry is a 1nce every 20 year talent u need jamal crawford to win championships, gives jerome james 32mm--isnt that a red flag--not including all the other disasters?

But the real problem is cablevision/dolan, not simply Isiah. Do you seriously think Cablevision would be willing to take 3 years of losses in order to rebuild the right way?? They aren't and can't be that future-oriented. They have investors/shareholders to answer to RIGHT NOW who won't accept 3 years of losses just to "some day" get the benefits of rebuilding the right way. So KG has 3 years left in him and Frye has 15. They'll trade Frye for KG and who knows maybe sell the team after those 3 years or find some other aging star to trade for. We need an owner like Mark Cuban who would be willing to take some initial losses to rebuild the right way in the long-term.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-26-2006 1:22 PM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Isiah is garbage!! all you isiah supporters need to wake up and realized that he;s destroyed the knicks franchise... The damage is done..

When he took over, there was a btter solution to the probelms we already had but no, he made it worse..

I can't believe they picked this guy to run the knicks.. he got fired by the raptors, he got fired by larry bird in indiana and most of all, he killed the old CBA league which he had controlled of . BAD TRACK RECORD..

also , no GM out there was willing to work with the idiot owner name Dolan!! that's why Steve Mills decided to give assiah a shot to redeemed himself after he was let go by the pacers..

last thing, he's a piston in blood, not knicks!!

By larry bird firing assiah, should've prove to everyone around the league that he's horrible @ managing(trades, free agents signings).. the only thing he 's done was make other teams better(phoenix and chicago last yr)

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 02-26-2006 12:53 PM]



Ok you got that off your chest...Now give me facts.....Does the Knicks have more talent now than in previous years? Who is responsible for this talent playing together? Did you think the coach is doing all he can to win?...I have more if you like

MY BROTHER!! IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT TALENT.. it's about the will to win and working hard. Playing hardnose defense and playing the right way.. not looking confused out there but also show no fear while playing..


These kats with all the talent are damn confused out there. . They play soft and no defense.. opposing teams are making a joke out of the knicks like Arenas yesterday.. after each shot, he was just laughing....

i remember days with the knicks where an opponent would cry instead of laugh cause the knicks were an oppnent's nightmare..


Also, the word *talent* is quite subjective to some. Is there any player on this team who has the talent level of Steve Nash? Dwayne Wade? Chris Bosh? I mean for 500mm $ spent youd think wed have one young ELITE level talent. The *talent* we have is mix-matched heartless and over-rated. That is why we are down 20 every game. Fck the coach, who cares wouldnt you play as hard as you could no matter what? No pride in the individuals on this team, no character.



OK you are a smart guy, You are the GM with luxury of hindsight, How do you get a top ten talent
here that you suggest with the cap being over 90 mil when you get the job?

I also want to hear who was available to the Knicks he didn't take advantage of?
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