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rvhoss
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2/21/2006  7:28 AM
OK...OK, I'm going to be the first to say it in print.

He's a lyer! How many times do we have to read him say "the rooks have to play, they are a future" and then see DNPs for Jackie, Lee, et al.

How many times do we have to see a new starting lineup?

How many times do we have to read about him bashing a player in some theatrical way, then change his mind.

If he doesn't play the kids and/or we don't win 20 of the next 30...He's got to do the honorable thing and RETIRE.

Right now Skiles, Lenny Wilkens and Phil Jackson are proving that he can't coach anymore...the game has passed him by...unless he...

PLAYS THE KIDS!

Let Curry foul out on his own...he may get 10 points and 5 boards with 5 fouls...but we will never know!

Let Frye learn DURING the GAME...he get's 30 points then a DNP, then get's 30 points, then a DNP...now he's afraid to shoot...we can't have our best jump shooter afraid to shoot.

Let Crawford be Crawford...he has averaged 15 ppg for pretty much his entire career...take it on the chin and move on already...he scored 30 points in the second half against the Sonics, then barely played the next game. What the Eff?

Start Lee OR QWoods, but effing start them NOW!

Let Marbs play the 2 and have Jalen handle the rock...Jalen wants to be PG...let him be a PG.

blah blah blah.

I'm just sick of reading "I've got to do a better job of coaching" and "the kids will play more" and then seeing him do a crappy job of coaching (31 starting lineups?!?!?) and the kids getting DNP.

Larry, if you read this, don't wait to get fired to collect ANOTHER PAYOFF...just leave or you will be forever remembered as a lucky coach that would have never won an NBA championship if he didn't have the Detroit Eastern Conference All Stars.

I'm just effing sick of it.

Sorry...haven't posted in a while.

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2/21/2006  7:29 AM
CONGRATS on the new addition Bro...I just had a daughter in October....it's an amazing feeling isn't it?
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2/21/2006  8:10 AM
congrats on your girl. Just remember to keep her off the pole.

Answer me this on your post. Why are you willing to be patient with Isiah, who's every move has been criticized. Who's never accomplished anything in basketball post player, who is a bigger liar and an admitted one, who's been blasted by everyone who's ever worked for him, as well as former players and who has a slew of personal issues (sex harrasment, estranged kid he wont contacts, etc)....

BUT

you want LB gone. Here's a guy thats won with every team, won titles, been a part of rebuilding teams, elevated players, etc etc

Why not wait and see what Larry's plan is? He's the only established winner in the entire Knick organization right now.
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2/21/2006  8:39 AM
good post fishmike
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2/21/2006  8:51 AM
Fish....you da' man....
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2/21/2006  9:32 AM
Not all 12 can play.

We lose playing rookies, and by not.

Overplaying them has problems also. THe rookie wall has many facets.

Letting Herb coach is not the answer.
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2/21/2006  9:43 AM
Posted by fishmike:

congrats on your girl. Just remember to keep her off the pole.

Answer me this on your post. Why are you willing to be patient with Isiah, who's every move has been criticized. Who's never accomplished anything in basketball post player, who is a bigger liar and an admitted one, who's been blasted by everyone who's ever worked for him, as well as former players and who has a slew of personal issues (sex harrasment, estranged kid he wont contacts, etc)....

BUT

you want LB gone. Here's a guy thats won with every team, won titles, been a part of rebuilding teams, elevated players, etc etc

Why not wait and see what Larry's plan is? He's the only established winner in the entire Knick organization right now.


You can criticize Isiah's moves, and maybe he should be gone too.

The fact is that both Frye and Lee have shown flashes of being the real deal- of being players who belong in this league. And Lee can shoot 7 of 8 from the field and that still doesn't get him a spot in the regular line up.

You can say all you want about the mismash roster we have- the irrefutable fact is that we're not winning this year and players learn and become better by playing, not sitting.

This irregular rotation thing is getting OLD FAST! Just like Larry.

Now, I never wanted LB as coach- and you can debate Isiah's player moves (i.e., trading two unprotected 1st rounders for Curry, etc), but it is clear that Isiah can't pick a good coach to save his life- and yes, he should probably be fired just on the basis of picking Wilkens & LB- Wilkens because he was finished and LB because he does not fit the roster.
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2/21/2006  9:51 AM
franco, exactly how many good coaches are there in the league and who are they?
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2/21/2006  10:17 AM
DJ (and Fish), exactly how many PFs on this roster should be playing while Lee gets DNP-CDs (and Frye sits for half of each game) and who are they?
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2/21/2006  10:43 AM
I've watched Frye away from the ball quite often. He still is totally lost when the ball goes up in the air, fails to put a body on guys and he still doesn't know how to rotate on defense. When rookies show those kinds of problems conventional wisdom is they get bench player minutes.

Maybe Larry read the "renaissance of Mo Taylor" thread and was inspired. Malik is the only one that plays hard all the time. Mo T is making $9mm a year. The rookies are still learning. Watch the games... the answers are pretty obvious.
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2/21/2006  10:45 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

franco, exactly how many good coaches are there in the league and who are they?



That should be read as a 'good coach for the team', i.e., taking into account the style to coach wants to play, what players are on the roster, etc.

I like most of isiah's moves- we've gotten younger and more athletic. We've got players who are better offensive players than defensive players and getting an old coach who wasn't going to grow with the roster and who was going to hate playing young guys and hate offensive minded players and not want to play up tempo ball, was not a good move and he is not a good coach for this team.
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2/21/2006  10:52 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by djsunyc:

franco, exactly how many good coaches are there in the league and who are they?



That should be read as a 'good coach for the team', i.e., taking into account the style to coach wants to play, what players are on the roster, etc.

I like most of isiah's moves- we've gotten younger and more athletic. We've got players who are better offensive players than defensive players and getting an old coach who wasn't going to grow with the roster and who was going to hate playing young guys and hate offensive minded players and not want to play up tempo ball, was not a good move and he is not a good coach for this team.

let's dispell one myth - lb has playing nothing but young guys (sans david lee). he gave them all ample opportunity to seize the job but none of them really have. so he's asking for some veteran help...but it's not the veterans you're thinking.

if lb was as bad as you guys say, then george lynch would've been picked up already. but he wasn't. you know who was? a 24 year old qyntel woods.

eric snow would've been a knick already. but he's not.

let's see how it all plays out before we go nuts with lb and his "vets".

btw, we traded a 38 year old for a 33 year old.

is it still not rebuilding when you play a 24 year old (q2) ahead of a 22 year old (lee) ?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-21-2006 10:52 AM]
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2/21/2006  10:58 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by djsunyc:

franco, exactly how many good coaches are there in the league and who are they?



That should be read as a 'good coach for the team', i.e., taking into account the style to coach wants to play, what players are on the roster, etc.

I like most of isiah's moves- we've gotten younger and more athletic. We've got players who are better offensive players than defensive players and getting an old coach who wasn't going to grow with the roster and who was going to hate playing young guys and hate offensive minded players and not want to play up tempo ball, was not a good move and he is not a good coach for this team.

let's dispell one myth - lb has playing nothing but young guys (sans david lee). he gave them all ample opportunity to seize the job but none of them really have. so he's asking for some veteran help...but it's not the veterans you're thinking.

if lb was as bad as you guys say, then george lynch would've been picked up already. but he wasn't. you know who was? a 24 year old qyntel woods.

eric snow would've been a knick already. but he's not.

let's see how it all plays out before we go nuts with lb and his "vets".

btw, we traded a 38 year old for a 33 year old.

is it still not rebuilding when you play a 24 year old (q2) ahead of a 22 year old (lee) ?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-21-2006 10:52 AM]


My main gripe is that yes, the young players have played, but not in a regular fashion.

Why was frye not on the active roster game 1 of the season? He is arguably the second or third best player drafted this year? How does that make sense?

What is the point of playing the veterens (AD, Malik Rose, Mo Taylor) and not getting some regular role for David Lee. You want to talk about earning playing time? Lee does nothing but bust his butt out there- then he puts up monster games where he misses one shot, and then he is a DNP for 6 games straight.

Start Lee, Frye & Curry up front- put Rose & Marbs in the back court and go from there. I like that unit- and you know, I bet you win a bunch of games with that group.
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2/21/2006  11:02 AM
the only thing i can really question is why david lee doesn't get any minutes. everything else is somewhat ok b/c those rooks are heavily flawed. plus, you have to play some of the vets, not only b/c of their contract but b/c you're trying to trade them...which brings it back to the real reason we stink, the vets suck.

lb is right, when you play 4 or 5 rooks together, it's a recipe for failure. they need some help. they need to be eased into the situation. it's not like frye is getting darko'd. he plays...and he plays alot. but his constant foul trouble and the fact that he can't guard anyone cuts into his minutes.
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2/21/2006  11:02 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I've watched Frye away from the ball quite often. He still is totally lost when the ball goes up in the air, fails to put a body on guys and he still doesn't know how to rotate on defense. When rookies show those kinds of problems conventional wisdom is they get bench player minutes.

Maybe Larry read the "renaissance of Mo Taylor" thread and was inspired. Malik is the only one that plays hard all the time. Mo T is making $9mm a year. The rookies are still learning. Watch the games... the answers are pretty obvious.

You still didn't address the David Lee part of my response. I'm very curious why Larry should be giving him DNP-CDs


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-21-2006 11:03 AM]
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2/21/2006  11:38 AM
i actually agree... he said he diddnt even WATCH Nates dunk contest in the daily news.... shows how much he is behind his players... **** him!!!!
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2/21/2006  11:40 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

I've watched Frye away from the ball quite often. He still is totally lost when the ball goes up in the air, fails to put a body on guys and he still doesn't know how to rotate on defense. When rookies show those kinds of problems conventional wisdom is they get bench player minutes.

Maybe Larry read the "renaissance of Mo Taylor" thread and was inspired. Malik is the only one that plays hard all the time. Mo T is making $9mm a year. The rookies are still learning. Watch the games... the answers are pretty obvious.

You still didn't address the David Lee part of my response. I'm very curious why Larry should be giving him DNP-CDs


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-21-2006 11:03 AM]
nobody... David Lee > Tim Duncan
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2/21/2006  11:43 AM
I forgot Larry can do no wrong and his PT of David Lee surely is flawless.
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2/21/2006  11:48 AM
I'm sure there are a great number of things in this life beyond your understanding.

Who said Larry Brown was flawless? Only you I see.
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2/21/2006  12:02 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

I've watched Frye away from the ball quite often. He still is totally lost when the ball goes up in the air, fails to put a body on guys and he still doesn't know how to rotate on defense. When rookies show those kinds of problems conventional wisdom is they get bench player minutes.

Maybe Larry read the "renaissance of Mo Taylor" thread and was inspired. Malik is the only one that plays hard all the time. Mo T is making $9mm a year. The rookies are still learning. Watch the games... the answers are pretty obvious.

You still didn't address the David Lee part of my response. I'm very curious why Larry should be giving him DNP-CDs


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-21-2006 11:03 AM]


Lee looks lost out there too. He's as good a rebounder as Frye is a shooter, but Lee's defense is just as bad as Frye's as well. It's actually kinda nonchalant when he's guarding the perimeter. There have been MANY occasions where he would slowly approach the shooter and not put a hand in his face. Lee needs to work on his aggresiveness on D. Frye needs to work on his rotating. They both need confidence.
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