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BRIGGS
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2/19/2006  3:54 PM
Bill Parcells said

if you want me to make the cake, atleast let me buy the ingredients

this may be true with brown. Brown came here with no real imput into this roster. If we pay him a bazillion $ shouldnt he be allowed to gett he guys he wants, even if its at the expense of anything that was going on? I mean you give someone 50 large--isnt he the boss? hes the guy who went to the finals 3/5 years---maybe he wants his own formulation of players?

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2/19/2006  4:00 PM
i think what we may seeing is an attachment to some of these young player by fans. and it's totally understandable as i like some of them as well. i think it stems from the fact that we've NEVER had this many young kids on the roster, especially after all the ewing years and the dud layden years. so we see something different and we like it. but realistically, you have to look at these young kids and see how good they are compared to the rest of the league. exactly how GOOD is our young core compared to the young core of other teams? we don't know but there's a good chance they're not that much better. so some of these guys will probably have to get moved.

now, you have to ask, who is going to be in charge of putting our team together. we've had isiah here but it looks like sooner than later, it will be lb who will have majority control.

the methods on how it happened or the methods used may not be to everyone's liking but at the end of the day, do we have the right guy for the job? is vanilli the right guy for this job? if you go by track record, then he's the perfect guy to build this franchise back up. and even tho there's a mismatch of the players and lb, and as some would say, you do not build a team around a coach, in this case, it looks like that's what's going to happen.
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2/19/2006  4:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Bill Parcells said

if you want me to make the cake, atleast let me buy the ingredients

this may be true with brown. Brown came here with no real imput into this roster. If we pay him a bazillion $ shouldnt he be allowed to gett he guys he wants, even if its at the expense of anything that was going on? I mean you give someone 50 large--isnt he the boss? hes the guy who went to the finals 3/5 years---maybe he wants his own formulation of players?




I am totally against LB being that guy who calls the personnel shots for a few reasons. LB has never, in all his time in this league, given such a post to build a team. So at best, for him it's trial and error...LB won't be here for the long haul, he is currently looking at quick fixes...LB is not the type of guy NBA players want to play for, it's very difficult for me to see anyone taking less money or sacrificing to play for him, given his track record with players....LB is not a good guy, he can't wait to throw the next guy under the bus and everyone knows that...I like the young talent we have assembled and hopefully can be built on...Unlike most of our posters..I'm a bit more realistic, this is going to take time....We need to give the young players time to develop, to see who pans out and who don't....We do have a crop of guys that have potential, I would like to see them stay...LB won't let that happen...Am I really interest is some of Larry's retreads from his past team ala Ratliff..NNNOOOOOO...Isiah is not perfect, but he has a vision thru youth and athleticism...I like that....A little uptempo....Has this game passed Larry by..I can't say it has,
but do I want to Knicks to be held hostage by Brown and his Ideas on how a team show be constructed much like Layden did trying to build with character players, NO WAY!!!!


As for Bill Parcells, how many Championships has he won since he has been buying his own groceries...NONE....

This Knick team need a fresh start with fresh faces, LB had been coaching this game for about 30 years...NBA,ABA and college...He has won only one title in the NBA and that is with a team built by some-one else....I would be happy to see Larry leave to be quite honest and see if Herb can install an uptempo style using the talent on this current ballclub....If we go with Larry, It's another 2-3 years before we get "Larry type players" here...

Hiring this dude was a big mistake and he will pout and point fingers until he gets his way...
I'm praying he quits before we to get to that point.....

He isn't worth it!!!
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2/19/2006  4:39 PM
lb was pretty much the guy running the show in philly. and i don't think we're talking quick fix. this is his last stop and knows this is his legacy. and he's never just dumped players for old dogs that weren't going to help. he had ratliff and kukoc in their prime years but only traded them for deke when they needed to get over the hump. IF vanilli was that nuts, then george lynch would've been signed already. and we probably would've traded for eric snow already.

i think if you see ratliff on the team, then dmiles is attached.

is it not rebuilding IF we trade a 22 year old for a 24 year old? or a 25 year old for a 27 year old?
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2/19/2006  4:43 PM
I agree with everything you said Briggs, LB is a meticulous coach who likes certain kinds of players, Dolan should just let him decide who plays and who doesn't because right now Isiah Thomas is basically being paid to go get players that LB tells him to, might as well just have LB do it.

Just to clarify something though, Bill Parcells said...

"if you're being asked to cook the meal, you should be allowed to buy the groceries."



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-19-2006 4:45 PM]
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2/19/2006  4:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

lb was pretty much the guy running the show in philly. and i don't think we're talking quick fix. this is his last stop and knows this is his legacy. and he's never just dumped players for old dogs that weren't going to help. he had ratliff and kukoc in their prime years but only traded them for deke when they needed to get over the hump. IF vanilli was that nuts, then george lynch would've been signed already. and we probably would've traded for eric snow already.

i think if you see ratliff on the team, then dmiles is attached.

is it not rebuilding IF we trade a 22 year old for a 24 year old? or a 25 year old for a 27 year old?



He dumped the young and gift Larry Hughes...also, was Philly really a success?, the East was really bad then, much like it was when the Nets got to the champoinship....So I really don't see how his years in Philly is a plus....How does he get more credit than Byron Scott then if we are going to judge him on getting to the Championship game?





[Edited by - holfresh on 02-19-2006 4:47 PM]
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2/19/2006  4:46 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:

lb was pretty much the guy running the show in philly. and i don't think we're talking quick fix. this is his last stop and knows this is his legacy. and he's never just dumped players for old dogs that weren't going to help. he had ratliff and kukoc in their prime years but only traded them for deke when they needed to get over the hump. IF vanilli was that nuts, then george lynch would've been signed already. and we probably would've traded for eric snow already.

i think if you see ratliff on the team, then dmiles is attached.

is it not rebuilding IF we trade a 22 year old for a 24 year old? or a 25 year old for a 27 year old?



He dumped the young and gift Larry Hughes


Larry Hughes is extremely overpaid, he might be talented but so far all he's done is play on bad teams except for one year; last year.
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2/19/2006  4:50 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:

lb was pretty much the guy running the show in philly. and i don't think we're talking quick fix. this is his last stop and knows this is his legacy. and he's never just dumped players for old dogs that weren't going to help. he had ratliff and kukoc in their prime years but only traded them for deke when they needed to get over the hump. IF vanilli was that nuts, then george lynch would've been signed already. and we probably would've traded for eric snow already.

i think if you see ratliff on the team, then dmiles is attached.

is it not rebuilding IF we trade a 22 year old for a 24 year old? or a 25 year old for a 27 year old?



He dumped the young and gift Larry Hughes


Larry Hughes is extremely overpaid, he might be talented but so far all he's done is play on bad teams except for one year; last year.

Overpaid as a rookie in Philly??

Huges is one of the best defender if not the best defender at his position in the NBA...

He is the real deal...Larry didn't see that in him
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2/19/2006  4:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

lb was pretty much the guy running the show in philly. and i don't think we're talking quick fix. this is his last stop and knows this is his legacy. and he's never just dumped players for old dogs that weren't going to help. he had ratliff and kukoc in their prime years but only traded them for deke when they needed to get over the hump. IF vanilli was that nuts, then george lynch would've been signed already. and we probably would've traded for eric snow already.

i think if you see ratliff on the team, then dmiles is attached.

is it not rebuilding IF we trade a 22 year old for a 24 year old? or a 25 year old for a 27 year old?


The Knicks are targeting Ratliff for Brown....How many years does he have left in him...one maybe 2 year?....Is that not a quick fix?
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2/19/2006  4:55 PM
noooo...they're targetting ratliff AND dmiles for brown.

if they trade penny for ratliff, then both isiah and lb should be fired on the spot.

the trade would be for dmiles with ratliff as a pure stop gap...like jalen rose (although i'm still not a fan of that trade)
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2/19/2006  4:56 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

noooo...they're targetting ratliff AND dmiles for brown.

if they trade penny for ratliff, then both isiah and lb should be fired on the spot.

the trade would be for dmiles with ratliff as a pure stop gap...like jalen rose (although i'm still not a fan of that trade)

D Miles is for Isiah....read Vesey tdy...he mention the same thing...
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2/19/2006  5:01 PM
>>If we pay him a bazillion $ shouldnt he be allowed to gett he guys he wants, even if its at the expense of anything that was going on?

No

>>I mean you give someone 50 large--isnt he the boss?

Nope. Just means he's getting 50 large

>>hes the guy who went to the finals 3/5 years---maybe he wants his own formulation of players?

He HAS a formulation of players. Are you suggesting that everyone acquired by Thomas must now be dealt away?

By the time Larry gets "his" players it will be time for him to move on to either another franchise or The Hamptons

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I give Larry 3 years at most here, including this one....He is having surgery at the end of the season...He has to be thinking about retirement..I also hear he is building a house here some place...So think this will be his last stop as well...But I just don't see him on the sidelines much more longer...I could be wrong...
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2/19/2006  5:20 PM
don't people think Larry is behind Kmart and Francis as well?
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Posted by crzymdups:

don't people think Larry is behind Kmart and Francis as well?



Yep...quick fixes...
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2/19/2006  5:30 PM
i have a feeling that if larry brown is going to start making some deals, then him and Isiah made an agreement to bring in players they'd both like. I don't think LB is against young guys, but he doesn't like guys that don't play D, etc. - he brought in Qyntel and I can see him wanting to bring in Dmiles because he probably feels he can make these guys good defenders and smart players.
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2/19/2006  6:45 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Bill Parcells said

if you want me to make the cake, atleast let me buy the ingredients

this may be true with brown. Brown came here with no real imput into this roster. If we pay him a bazillion $ shouldnt he be allowed to gett he guys he wants, even if its at the expense of anything that was going on? I mean you give someone 50 large--isnt he the boss? hes the guy who went to the finals 3/5 years---maybe he wants his own formulation of players?

I bet Lamar Odom would be on top of that list. You claim Odom is weak minded, so explain why Brown loves him so much? I thought Brown-players were tough and gritty and strong minded-players?



[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-19-2006 9:53 PM]
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2/19/2006  7:37 PM
did anyone extend grocery shopping to jvg, chaney, lenny, or herb......nooooooooo

and all the complaning during the all-star break about new yorks performance did anyone really catch what the comissioner said

"Like they always say, New York is the Mecca of basketball,"I read that in Michael Jordan books my whole life and I played here in the Big East tournament, so it's always fun to play in the Mecca of basketball."---Rip Hamilton
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2/19/2006  8:45 PM
Other than Lenny, not one of those coaches had the noteriety or was considered anywhere near what LB was when he came here over the summer. Lenny came aboard as a favor from Zeke (or a favor to Zeke) but was not near the coach he was.
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2/19/2006  9:54 PM
Other than Lenny, not one of those coaches had the noteriety or was considered anywhere near what LB was when he came here over the summer. Lenny came aboard as a favor from Zeke (or a favor to Zeke) but was not near the coach he was.

I don't agree with your assessment as Lenny Wilkens as a lesser coach than LB. But that is just my opinion.

But factually, as Knicks coach, Lenny did better than LB did with less talent. Wilkens was axed last year with a better record and with more injury adversity--last year the Knicks experienced more injuries early on in the season, this season was lost before Marbury got hurt.

I thought Wilken's firing was disgraceful(Chaney too.), and I think he would have been better with this group than LB has been.

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