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what would steph's market value be if he was a free agent this summer?
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djsunyc
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2/18/2006  4:01 PM
i was having a discussion with a friend of mine about players and their market values. if stephon was to be a free agent this summer, what kind of contract would he command?

my stance is that he gets the max or near max as a 20/8 pg (despite the issues with teammates and leadership). something like what ray allen got.

what do you think?
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2/18/2006  4:11 PM
I don't see it. I would think teams would seee him as a guy with risk of physical deterioration. Not much of a winning record. Questionable rep in some quarters. It's just hard for me to see who'd be maxing him at this point.
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2/18/2006  4:14 PM
Posted by Marv:

I don't see it. I would think teams would seee him as a guy with risk of physical deterioration. Not much of a winning record. Questionable rep in some quarters. It's just hard for me to see who'd be maxing him at this point.

atlanta would give him a major contract. houston and minny would be lining up for a sign and trade. and, believe it or not, i think teams like miami and memphis would as well.
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2/18/2006  4:17 PM
I doubt that Riley would want him. He is not a winner and doesn't shut guys down. Riley liked guys like Derek Harper and Michael Cooper. Riley didn't even like Tim Hardaway that much.
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2/18/2006  4:20 PM
i picked those teams b/c they are DESPERATE to win now. miami HAS to win within the next 2 years before shaq becomes jerome james. riley is a desperate man and will give a pg like steph max money. steph + wade + shaq is enough to get to the finals.

i picked memphis b/c they desperately need a pg to play with perimeter shooters like eddie jones and miller, and a big man like gasol. they also need to win now as they have yet to take that "next" step in the playoffs.

outside darkhorse is the clippers. steph + mobley + vlad rad + brand + kaman works.
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2/18/2006  4:25 PM
I don't get it, Marbury is available to be had RIGHT NOW. If any team was interested in signing him as a free-agent, why wouldn't they be interested in a trade right now? His value is what it is, not very high.
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2/18/2006  4:31 PM
Posted by Knight:

I don't get it, Marbury is available to be had RIGHT NOW. If any team was interested in signing him as a free-agent, why wouldn't they be interested in a trade right now? His value is what it is, not very high.

i bet those teams are interested, they just don't have the means to get him. i look up and down those team's rosters - the only ones that have appealing pieces are atlanta (harrington + filler) + memphis (miller + filler) + clippers (cassell + maggette) but who knows if that's what they're offering.

it still doesn't mean his market value isn't max or near max. if micheal redd can get $90, then so can steph.
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2/18/2006  4:32 PM
I agree; very close to the max most likely in a sign and trade
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2/18/2006  4:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


if micheal redd can get $90, then so can steph.

I don't think so, not with Steph's baggage and age. Teams like Milwaukee have to pay more to stop their players from going to bigger markets.
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2/18/2006  4:38 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:


if micheal redd can get $90, then so can steph.

I don't think so, not with Steph's baggage and age. Teams like Milwaukee have to pay more to stop their players from going to bigger markets.

Plus Redd was a guy on a positive career track and young. That's why Steph got maxxed when he did. And why i don't think he would be now.
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2/18/2006  4:40 PM
^Yes, there's a reason that Redd was mentioned as an All-Star snub this year and Marbury wasn't...
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2/18/2006  4:43 PM
ray allen, at 30, got $80 mil.
larry hughes, at 27, got $60 mil.
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2/18/2006  4:46 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

ray allen, at 30, got $80 mil.
larry hughes, at 27, got $60 mil.

Both came off seasons where their teams were very successful.
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2/18/2006  6:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i was having a discussion with a friend of mine about players and their market values. if stephon was to be a free agent this summer, what kind of contract would he command?

my stance is that he gets the max or near max as a 20/8 pg (despite the issues with teammates and leadership). something like what ray allen got.

what do you think?

No way he gets max. Maybe the players are wrong, but the fact that he was voted the most over-rated player in the league means something - it suggests he is not highly regarded. Now it could be the GMs have a totally different view but I doubt it.
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2/18/2006  6:45 PM
Plus Redd was a guy on a positive career track and young. That's why Steph got maxxed when he did. And why i don't think he would be now.
How about Antoine Walker and Erik Dampier getting over $50 and $70 mil each when they were aging? You can't find one good reason to pay them more than Steph. Maybe steph wouldn't get the max but I can't imagine him getting less than $60 mil.
Of course if he were an FA now, we know Dolan would give him at least $200 mil!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-18-2006 6:46 PM]
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2/18/2006  7:39 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

I doubt that Riley would want him. He is not a winner and doesn't shut guys down. Riley liked guys like Derek Harper and Michael Cooper. Riley didn't even like Tim Hardaway that much.

Is Jason Williams a winner,Is Gary Payton a winner, Is Antoine Walker is winner...I'll take Marbs over all those guys!!!

Riley didn't like Hardaway??? He was the heart and soul of those Heat teams that came up against the Knicks...Without Hardaway, the Heat was not sniffing the second roud of the playoffs...When Hardaway retired, the run was over for the Heat!!!..Even after Hardaway was hurt, Riley gave him a sick one year contract to come back........Didn't like him that much????

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-18-2006 7:43 PM]
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2/18/2006  7:51 PM
Posted by Knight:

I don't get it, Marbury is available to be had RIGHT NOW. If any team was interested in signing him as a free-agent, why wouldn't they be interested in a trade right now? His value is what it is, not very high.

Well it would appear to me that Marbs is most valuable to the Knicks at the moment...The Knicks are not giving up Marbs for a bag of donuts...Also, the back end of Marbs contract is huge....People are not in the biz of occupying 43% of their cap space with one player...It has nothing to do with Marbs the player but his contract....


It just amazes me that people still continue to hate on Marbs after seeing what he means to this team.....the Knicks are 1-10 without him and still they want to run him out of town....NICE...




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2/18/2006  8:23 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Knight:

I don't get it, Marbury is available to be had RIGHT NOW. If any team was interested in signing him as a free-agent, why wouldn't they be interested in a trade right now? His value is what it is, not very high.

Well it would appear to me that Marbs is most valuable to the Knicks at the moment...The Knicks are not giving up Marbs for a bag of donuts...Also, the back end of Marbs contract is huge....People are not in the biz of occupying 43% of their cap space with one player...It has nothing to do with Marbs the player but his contract....


It just amazes me that people still continue to hate on Marbs after seeing what he means to this team.....the Knicks are 1-10 without him and still they want to run him out of town....NICE...

And what exactly is our record this year WITH him?

Trust me, we don't need Marbury to win 13 games by the All-Star break, we could get an NBDL point guard to do that.
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2/18/2006  8:38 PM
Riley traded Hardaway to the Mavs. He didn't retire with the Heat. Suffice it to say that Riley and Hardaway had their differences. Underachieving in the playoffs causes that. Marbury isn't valuable if his team stinks when he plays. The Knicks stink when he plays. They are pathetic when he doesn't play. Big deal.
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2/19/2006  1:07 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

Riley traded Hardaway to the Mavs. He didn't retire with the Heat. Suffice it to say that Riley and Hardaway had their differences. Underachieving in the playoffs causes that. Marbury isn't valuable if his team stinks when he plays. The Knicks stink when he plays. They are pathetic when he doesn't play. Big deal.


1996-97

Hardaway's first full season with Miami was a brilliant one and earned him a spot on the 1996-97 All-NBA First Team. He led the Heat with 20.3 points (17th in the NBA), 8.6 assists (seventh) and 1.86 steals (15th) in 38.7 minutes (19th). His 203 three-pointers also topped Miami and were the fourth-most in the league, and his assist-to-turnover ratio of 3.02-to-1 ranked 10th in the NBA. Hardaway started 81 games for Miami, sitting out the season finale as Coach Pat Riley rested some of his players for the playoffs, and led the team in assists (or tied for the lead) in 77 of those games. He reached double figures 27 times, posting a season-high 16 assists in a 108-99 victory at Detroit on March 4. He scored in double figures 74 times and had 25 double-doubles. He tallied a career-high 45 points, shooting 13-for-25 from the field, 6-for-12 from three-point range and 13-for-14 from the foul line, in a 108-105 victory at Washington on March 7. At the 1997 All-Star Game in Cleveland, Hardaway scored 10 points including a pair of three-pointers, and also had three rebounds and two assists. In the playoffs, Hardaway topped Miami with 18.7 points, 7.0 assists and 1.59 steals in 41.2 minutes. He scored a playoff career-high 38 points, including 18 points in the third quarter, and added 7 assists and 5 steals in a 101-90 victory over the New York Knicks in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals.


1997-98:
Named to the 1997-98 NBA All-Interview Second Team. Named to the 1997-98 All-NBA Second Team. Placed on the injured list on 4/18 due to inflammation in his right knee. Totaled team-highs of 22 points and 11 assists and grabbed 5 rebounds against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 4/15. Registered a game-high 28 points and 12 assists in a 111-105 victory over the Toronto Raptors on 4/10. Posted 22 points, a game-high 14 assists and 4 rebounds in a 105-91 victory over the Boston Celtics on 3/25. Recorded 20 points, a game-high 13 assists and 5 rebounds in a 112-80 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on 3/22. Totaled a game-high 32 points, 4 assists, 3 rebounds and 3 steals against the Indiana Pacers on 2/11. Registered 8 points and 6 assists in the 1998 NBA All-Star Game in New York. Scored 15 of his 27 points in the fourth quarter, adding 8 assists and 5 rebounds, in an 86-82 win over the New York Knicks on 1/28. Posted a game-high 33 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds and 3 steals against the Cleveland Cavaliers on 1/26. Recorded 24 points, a game-high 11 assists, 5 rebounds and 4 steals in a 92-87 victory over the Phialdelphia 76ers on 1/21. Totaled a game-high 29 points (5-10 3FG), 7 assists and 4 rebounds in a 90-78 win over the Cleveland Cavaliers on 12/30. Registered 18 points, a game-high 13 assists, a club-record 8 steals and 6 rebounds in a 99-92 win over the Atlanta Hawks on 12/20. Posted game-highs of 22 points and 14 assists and grabbed 5 rebounds in a 91-84 win over the Philadelphia 76ers on 12/19. Recorded 21 points, 11 assists, 9 rebounds and 3 steals in an 87-84 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on 12/13. Totaled team-highs of 33 points, 11 assists and 3 steals in a 122-113 victory over the L.A. Clippers on 11/19. Registered a game-high 26 points, 11 rebounds and 8 assists in a 96-93 victory over the Denver Nuggets on 11/15. Posted team-highs of 25 points and 12 assists and grabbed 4 rebounds in a 114-106 win over the Washington Wizards on 11/8. Recorded 26 points, driving the length of the court to hit the game-winning jumper at the buzzer, and 11 assists in a 109-108 win over the Washington Wizards on 11/1.


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