[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

lsd induced: we should seriously think about moving curry
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 3  1  2  3 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
2/17/2006  11:38 PM
hear me out. i'm not saying we dump him. but we should seriously explore what we can get for him.

why am i saying this now? why am i already giving up on him?

i say this b/c to be a legitimate title contender, we need to have a defensively capable frontcourt. a frontcourt that can board and play defense. IF our building blocks are frye and curry, then the chances of having a defensively capable frontcourt are slim. that is my premise and belief and if you go by that, then one of them have to go.

my choice? eddy curry. and it's an easy choice for me.

and it comes down to work ethic, being in shape, and mental acumen. two of those are questionable for eddy and one is non-existent.

this kid is 23 and is in 5th year here. it's a tough choice...tough tough choice but there are some bad signs that i'm not so sure will get fixed. i think lb, aguirre, and herb spend alot of time with him and when it comes to the game, he just keeps making the same mental errors (mainly offensive fouls). those three coaches probably just look at each other in disbelief.

lb wants a defensive big man. his last two teams had ben wallace and theo ratliff. eddy curry is the antithesis of it. you kind of get the feeling that lb doesn't like him either. not to mention his lack of rebounding. it's downright pathetic for a guy his size.

so we should throw out feelers and see what we can get for him. and if we can't move him, that's fine too, he's still a good player at that position, one where we have an advantage more nights than not but i don't think a frye/curry frontcourt is one of championship aspirations. i'm looking at a swap for a guy like dalembert. if that's a possibility, i'm pulling the trigger on it.
AUTOADVERT
Marv
Posts: 35540
Alba Posts: 69
Joined: 9/2/2002
Member: #315
2/17/2006  11:50 PM
dj doesn't care about brain cells.
SlimPack
Posts: 23588
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/14/2005
Member: #1009
USA
2/17/2006  11:56 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

hear me out. i'm not saying we dump him. but we should seriously explore what we can get for him.

why am i saying this now? why am i already giving up on him?

i say this b/c to be a legitimate title contender, we need to have a defensively capable frontcourt. a frontcourt that can board and play defense. IF our building blocks are frye and curry, then the chances of having a defensively capable frontcourt are slim. that is my premise and belief and if you go by that, then one of them have to go.

my choice? eddy curry. and it's an easy choice for me.

and it comes down to work ethic, being in shape, and mental acumen. two of those are questionable for eddy and one is non-existent.

this kid is 23 and is in 5th year here. it's a tough choice...tough tough choice but there are some bad signs that i'm not so sure will get fixed. i think lb, aguirre, and herb spend alot of time with him and when it comes to the game, he just keeps making the same mental errors (mainly offensive fouls). those three coaches probably just look at each other in disbelief.

lb wants a defensive big man. his last two teams had ben wallace and theo ratliff. eddy curry is the antithesis of it. you kind of get the feeling that lb doesn't like him either. not to mention his lack of rebounding. it's downright pathetic for a guy his size.

so we should throw out feelers and see what we can get for him. and if we can't move him, that's fine too, he's still a good player at that position, one where we have an advantage more nights than not but i don't think a frye/curry frontcourt is one of championship aspirations. i'm looking at a swap for a guy like dalembert. if that's a possibility, i'm pulling the trigger on it.

I agree with everything you said, Im not sure if swapping curry for him would be a good idea, but for the most part I agree with you, Ill admit that curry has been passing out of the post more, but I just dont like what he brings to the table, I think frye has alot more potential than curry does, and frye is better paid with a dalambert type player, although Im not sure if dalembert is that player. but if the oppurtunity to trade curry for dalembert came along, I would probably do it if I where GM.

[Edited by - slimpack on 02-17-2006 11:56 PM]
TemujinKnick
Posts: 20771
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/3/2005
Member: #1022
2/18/2006  12:41 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

hear me out. i'm not saying we dump him. but we should seriously explore what we can get for him.

why am i saying this now? why am i already giving up on him?

i say this b/c to be a legitimate title contender, we need to have a defensively capable frontcourt. a frontcourt that can board and play defense. IF our building blocks are frye and curry, then the chances of having a defensively capable frontcourt are slim. that is my premise and belief and if you go by that, then one of them have to go.

my choice? eddy curry. and it's an easy choice for me.

and it comes down to work ethic, being in shape, and mental acumen. two of those are questionable for eddy and one is non-existent.

this kid is 23 and is in 5th year here. it's a tough choice...tough tough choice but there are some bad signs that i'm not so sure will get fixed. i think lb, aguirre, and herb spend alot of time with him and when it comes to the game, he just keeps making the same mental errors (mainly offensive fouls). those three coaches probably just look at each other in disbelief.

lb wants a defensive big man. his last two teams had ben wallace and theo ratliff. eddy curry is the antithesis of it. you kind of get the feeling that lb doesn't like him either. not to mention his lack of rebounding. it's downright pathetic for a guy his size.

so we should throw out feelers and see what we can get for him. and if we can't move him, that's fine too, he's still a good player at that position, one where we have an advantage more nights than not but i don't think a frye/curry frontcourt is one of championship aspirations. i'm looking at a swap for a guy like dalembert. if that's a possibility, i'm pulling the trigger on it.

I wouldn't mind some of what you're tripping on, but no thank you to a Curry trade.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
2/18/2006  1:13 AM
Do you guys know the two most difficult positions to fill in the NBA is the center and point guard positions....Isiah might have done that in just 2 short years he has been here...Relax, let the team get a chance to gel....It's still early...You guys are pressing panick buttoms all over the place...Trade Curry now...Come on....And do what for a Center..


Larry didn't win a Championship with Ratliff, so why do you want him here. He is old,has a big contract and is always injured..I thought by now as Knick fans we should have had enough of those kind of players...Why are the Knicks the only team that want this guy....

Larry kind of player..that whole notion is just killing me..We now have a team that can run and play an uptempo game and Larry doesn't like that...So now he pouts and whines about he does not have the players he wants...So now in this forum we try to trade every asset we have to make Larry happy...I DON'T CARE IF LARRY IS HAPPY....

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-18-2006 01:15 AM]
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
2/18/2006  2:39 AM
Shipping out Eddy or Frye is not happening. They are the guys that will carry us. What we need to solve the rebounding/defense issue is they each have to get better (Curry had 4 blocks last game, Channing has led the team in boards more than anyone else) and we need to bring in a third guy, that first big man off the bench who can provide those things. It was supposed to be Jerome James, but a better choice would be a Nene type if not Nene himself. It could eventually be DLee. But i don't think we need to make a panic trade right now.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
2/18/2006  2:41 AM
Could also be why we're exploring Reggie Evans, and Theo Ratliffe among other rebounding bigs who will do the gruntwork and lay out the intimidation.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
bobs3304
Posts: 24827
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 7/5/2005
Member: #948
2/18/2006  3:44 AM
Well, everything DJ said is rite on, but I was one of the first who said all that.

Curry and Frye both have the same issues -- lack of rebounding and defense. Only difference is that Frye is a rookie, has a good work ethic, and isn't nearly as dumb.

I'd throw out feelers like you said. I read that "rumor" by that dude on Realgm saying his "Ass. GM" friend had it in that Dally for Curry was a strong possibility.


I say bull****. But I'd do it in a hearbeat b/c although his IQ is probly just as low if not lower, his work ethic and defense/rebounding makes up for it.

I'd love to see Dally and Frye in the frontcourt. Let them grow up together....
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Rich
Posts: 27410
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 12/30/2003
Member: #511
USA
2/18/2006  7:42 AM
The Knicks could never get anything close to what they paid for him at this point. Consequently, it's a horrible idea.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
2/18/2006  8:23 AM
I would trade him for Dalembert because he makes such a big impact on defense but I doubt Philly would. You have to be forward-looking and decide what player would be best for the team now, not whether you can justify a trade based on what you gave up in the past. That's the right way to run a team at least; I'm not sure any Knick GM would have the freedom to think that way though.
TheSage
Posts: 21039
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 2/20/2003
Member: #386
2/18/2006  8:52 AM
It's been said that a player must have skill for offense but that defense can be taught. Neither are absolutes-an offensively challenged player can get better (those of you who remember Mike Riordan may recall that he was as hard nosed as Starks-maybe better but couldn't hit the backboard (figuratively) on a good day-he worked at hit and developed a pretty decent jump shot before he was traded to Baltimore in the Monroe trade).

Defense, on the other hand can be taught although to really get it a player should have decent quickness. Curry has good hands and feet for a guy with his size and the lessons he must learn do not require a knowledge of advanced calculus. GIVE IT TIME-if learns his lessons we have a dominant center for ten years. As for Frye he seems to have added some bulk and his shot has suffered but he too will develope an all around game. He appears to be a bright guy with the physicall tools and I believe it will come together.
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/18/2006  9:13 AM
>>Curry and Frye both have the same issues -- lack of rebounding and defense. Only difference is that Frye is a rookie, has a good work ethic, and isn't nearly as dumb.

bobs3304 - what makes Eddy Curry "dumb" in your opinion?


Some form of quantitative testing I hope.

Based on the grammatical structure of your statement you are also implying that Frye is ALSO dumb. Just that Eddy Curry is "dumber".

Might I inquire what qualifies you to make such a judgement?


[Edited by - MisterEarl on 02-18-2006 09:13 AM]

[Edited by - MisterEarl on 02-18-2006 09:14 AM]
once a knick always a knick
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
2/18/2006  9:20 AM
you know what stinks is you can see how a lengthy type C--like bogut would look real good with Frye--a guy who does more things than just jam it a guy with long arms a real 6-11 +

people keep on saying how they wouldnt trade curry just for pick 1--well i would quite easily id rather have aldridge and frye and play a high tempo up and down game. play a style similar to pheonix with a few moderations in it.

Im going to cry at the lotto. just wish w couldve did things differently



by the way I think that Raptor GM got stiffed
OK he drafted Arajuo and was forced to trade VC but his moves over the last yera

trading for mike james--better trade than any isiah move
drafting CV when the consenus was he was 14-18 or so
picking up calderon for cheap
two high quality euros stashed away.
joey graham with pick 16
pape sow from the previous year--guys better than arajuo

i read that he got canned for his unwillingness to deviate from those 2 draft picks when they had the ability to dump Jalen, but i think he had to have what would be called a very good year for a GM.
RIP Crushalot😞
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
2/18/2006  9:30 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

you know what stinks is you can see how a lengthy type C--like bogut would look real good with Frye--a guy who does more things than just jam it a guy with long arms a real 6-11 +

people keep on saying how they wouldnt trade curry just for pick 1--well i would quite easily id rather have aldridge and frye and play a high tempo up and down game. play a style similar to pheonix with a few moderations in it.

Im going to cry at the lotto. just wish w couldve did things differently



by the way I think that Raptor GM got stiffed
OK he drafted Arajuo and was forced to trade VC but his moves over the last yera

trading for mike james--better trade than any isiah move
drafting CV when the consenus was he was 14-18 or so
picking up calderon for cheap
two high quality euros stashed away.
joey graham with pick 16
pape sow from the previous year--guys better than arajuo

i read that he got canned for his unwillingness to deviate from those 2 draft picks when they had the ability to dump Jalen, but i think he had to have what would be called a very good year for a GM.



i would trade Curry for Charlie straight up and put CV and Frye together.
RIP Crushalot😞
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/18/2006  9:30 AM
Briggs - why not simply allow Frye to play in an uptempo style of play?

Its not the players and endless trades. Some of what ails the Knicks is their coach creating a framework for maximum results.

It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing-(man).

It ain't that deep.

Get Marubury to push the ball.
once a knick always a knick
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
2/18/2006  9:33 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Briggs - why not simply allow Frye to play in an uptempo style of play?

Its not the players and endless trades. Some of what ails the Knicks is their coach creating a framework for maximum results.

It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing-(man).

It ain't that deep.

Get Marubury to push the ball.

we dont have the correct personell to play up tempo. curry taylor Jerome james jalen rose those guys are SLOOOOWWW and that is 80% of the frontcourt.

RIP Crushalot😞
Marv
Posts: 35540
Alba Posts: 69
Joined: 9/2/2002
Member: #315
2/18/2006  9:46 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Briggs - why not simply allow Frye to play in an uptempo style of play?

Its not the players and endless trades. Some of what ails the Knicks is their coach creating a framework for maximum results.

It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing-(man).

It ain't that deep.

Get Marubury to push the ball.

I agree with yoy Earl. Except for one thing - it is that deep. The rift between Milli and Vanilli is deep and f**ked up. It's looking like Milli make a fatally misguided choice when he picked Vanilli to coach this team. I've loved Vanilli in the past and was in favor of the choice, so I can't blame Milli for that, but he's the one who's accountable now and has to respond right to the problems. The Knicks should bring in the world's best mediator (or Pat Croce) to try to work out things between Milli and Vanilli to get the style of play adjusted to the talents of our kids, otherwise we are headed for disaster because Vanilli is one stubborn f**k and Milli is one impulsive f**k. If we start trading the kids or keep trading expiring contracts for expensive over-the-hill never-were-that-good-to-begin-with guyss like Jalen F**king Rose, then we're all in for a whole lot more pain IMHO.
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
2/18/2006  9:47 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

you know what stinks is you can see how a lengthy type C--like bogut would look real good with Frye--a guy who does more things than just jam it a guy with long arms a real 6-11 +

people keep on saying how they wouldnt trade curry just for pick 1--well i would quite easily id rather have aldridge and frye and play a high tempo up and down game. play a style similar to pheonix with a few moderations in it.

Im going to cry at the lotto. just wish w couldve did things differently



by the way I think that Raptor GM got stiffed
OK he drafted Arajuo and was forced to trade VC but his moves over the last yera

trading for mike james--better trade than any isiah move
drafting CV when the consenus was he was 14-18 or so
picking up calderon for cheap
two high quality euros stashed away.
joey graham with pick 16
pape sow from the previous year--guys better than arajuo

i read that he got canned for his unwillingness to deviate from those 2 draft picks when they had the ability to dump Jalen, but i think he had to have what would be called a very good year for a GM.


Briggs, first of all, Aldrige may be another chris mihm as far as I am concerned, I mentioned bogut because of the way he passes and defends, he is solid, and plays a smart game, eddy can run actually, as good as any center and is a true banger back to the basket player, but Aldridge is a string bean and his game is similar to frye's, Bogut is different, doesn't need many shots to be effective...

as far as toronto, you are nuts man, their GM stiffed himself:

*He gave VC away, just gave him away
*As far as stashing away Euros, so what, maybe they need to be stashed away
*pape sow is average and doesn't make up for the blunder of drafting Araujo that high..

*Calderon is Ok
*CV is a good pick
*did I mentione he drafted Araujo
* Joey Graham can't score enough, doesn't look like a starter
* Mike james is good, but he is a nut, he is nate robinson on crack at times

He deserved to get the boot....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/18/2006  10:37 AM
>>we dont have the correct personell to play up tempo. curry taylor Jerome james jalen rose those guys are SLOOOOWWW and that is 80% of the frontcourt.

Briggs - On the contrary, playing uptempo is not like stocking a track team. Let's be clear, I'm not proposing the Suns style, but a rhythm that pushed the ball harder than Larry Brown's orcestrated halfcourt sets.

You don't move the ball with fancy dribbling. You do it with crisp passing and intuitive rhythm.

None of the beloved Knicks teams of the late sixties and early seventies would be characterized as fast, but they knew how to swing the ball around the court as one.

One does NOT need to be fast to concur with crisp ball movement. Jalen Rose compensates for whatever youthful springiness with his experience and passing abilty.

The Knicks CAN play Frye (not so slow, as demonstrated last night) Lee (not slow and a decent ball handler) and Qyntel (better balhandler and the intuition to create plays with his court vision and willingness to pass) in the frontcourt. Curry is not the lazy slug people want to typecast him as. Jackie Butler is 20, with agility (good hands) and hostility (blocked shots)

Let my people run

once a knick always a knick
SlimPack
Posts: 23588
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/14/2005
Member: #1009
USA
2/18/2006  10:41 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>>we dont have the correct personell to play up tempo. curry taylor Jerome james jalen rose those guys are SLOOOOWWW and that is 80% of the frontcourt.

Briggs - On the contrary, playing uptempo is not like stocking a track team. Let's be clear, I'm not proposing the Suns style, but a rhythm that pushed the ball harder than Larry Brown's orcestrated halfcourt sets.

You don't move the ball with fancy dribbling. You do it with crisp passing and intuitive rhythm.

None of the beloved Knicks teams of the late sixties and early seventies would be characterized as fast, but they knew how to swing the ball around the court as one.

One does NOT need to be fast to concur with crisp ball movement. Jalen Rose compensates for whatever youthful springiness with his experience and passing abilty.

The Knicks CAN play Frye (not so slow, as demonstrated last night) Lee (not slow and a decent ball handler) and Qyntel (better balhandler and the intuition to create plays with his court vision and willingness to pass) in the frontcourt. Curry is not the lazy slug people want to typecast him as. Jackie Butler is 20, with agility (good hands) and hostility (blocked shots)

Let my people run

do you know what I think? I think larry wants to play uptempo, but the players just dont do it.
Page 1 of 3  1  2  3 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
lsd induced: we should seriously think about moving curry
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy