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OngBok
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2/13/2006  12:28 PM
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Rudy Fernandez
Birthdate: 4/4/85
NBA Position: PG/SG
Ht: 6-6
Wt: 172
Int Team: Joventut Badalona
Hometown: Palma de Mallorca, Spain
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Strengths: An impressive talent, wise beyond his years ... Seems better every time you see him ...He has a wonderful bag of tricks, especially offensively ... Excellent one on one guy ... He knows how to take what the defense gives him, knows when to pull up, when to drive and when to pass... In his first "true" year, he had a fantastic season, putting up over double figures in scoring in the most important (toughest) league in Europe ... He has good numbers, but you have to see him play to truly understand how talented he is ... He is so fluid, so composed, so smooth and always under control, he makes the game look so easy... He is not too aggressive but not afraid either ... He makes great decisions, and never gets out of control, which is incredible considering his age ... He has such a court awareness, and always knows how to make the right play, without thinking of himself ahe puts the team first ... He could still be growing and has long arms which add to his length ... He has been playing at the SF spot for Badalona, but can handle either guard positions as well ... Unlike many players as athletic as he is, he doesn't rely on it ... He uses intelligence and skills instead ... Has good quickness and speed and is extremely fluid ... His first step is insane, as is his ability to start and stop ... He's always on balance ... Really excells when pressured and understands how to handle a press ... Stays within the system well ... Uses screens well to gain separation for shots or drives ... He doesn't like to drive into traffic because of his skinny frame, but he is not afraid of contact and if he sees daylight he'll go to the hoop fearlessly ... He has great skills (like Navarro of Spain) to let the ball go early against big men ... He loves to take the big shot and excels in important situations ... He has nice change of speed with the ball in his hands and very good ball handling making him dangerous with the dribble. He also passes extremely well, beating the double team and finding the open man ... He has great vision, he doesn't look for the "oooooh" pass, but the easy (and right) one…. Very good free throw shooter ... In the open court he can lead the fastbreak or fill the lane… he likes to run and the main thing is how fast he is able to change from defense to the break ... He can come off the bench and get into the flow of scoring very quickly …. He can defend bigger players and quicker ones ... Has very quick hands, and reads the passing lanes, and can rip someone from the dibble … With Badalona he lacks touches, because he is not the star of the team. But he is showing glimpses of what the future has in store and that is great things at the highest level: NBA ...


Weaknesses: Physically he must get stronger ... He still can get muscled around because of his lack of physical strength ... Doesn't blow you away with athleticism ... He's not a huge leaper, but is a nice athlete that can get to the rim without any problem ... In the NBA he will struggle defensively until he gets stronger ...

Notes: Currently playing with the Spanish National Team where he is already seeing minutes at 19 years of age! Last year he signed a long term deal with Badalona which could make his buyout a little difficult.

-Cristian Biagini -- 7/29/04


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2/13/2006  12:30 PM
The only true negative i see is that he is skinny as hell !!! I mean 6'6 at 172lbs ??? DAMN !!!
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2/13/2006  12:33 PM
I'd like to hear what DarkKnicks thinks.

Anybody else reading this and having bad flashbacks to Jamal "impressive talent" Crawford??
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2/13/2006  12:42 PM
he's the guy I want unless Denver collapse and we get a lottery pick. with the 21st pick if you can get a guy like Crawford you run with it. If he turns out to be a smarter player, consistent shooter and he's a much better finisher with his leaping ability as you can see from his highlights I'll be estatic. Marbury needs shooter if we're gonna have any success Jalen is 34 and declining and problably won't be resigned.
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2/13/2006  12:43 PM
I think the way i would go would be the following--I would do what it takes to move up a tad with that Denver pick[if it doesnt become lottery] and select Richard Roby and promise that 28 pick to Aaron Gray if he doesnt workout for anyone. I think Roby has HUGE upside and hes the kind of player we want--a guy who is tough long a scrapper with real skill, tremndous athletiscm and he can really shoot it. Just thinking back, he has a little Ray Allen in him, not as good, but close on the offensive end but he is a way better defender--his level of defense could end up being top notch all caliber NBA.

We need a more relaible back up C. Aaron Gray is simply a monster with burgeoning skills. he can shoot rebound pass, and he has to be about 7-1 275 and not fat at all+ he has anastiness about him that I like. Its not a snazy pick, but he fills the bill. I think both players are good fits here, make good sense. have NBA skills talents and size.

I think some of the more athletic big name guys are going to go to high in the draft, in fact i doubt Gray even makes it down to 28, i really dont, but if Isiah got to these kids and shut them down to workouts, than wed have a chance.

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2/13/2006  1:06 PM
Posted by Marv:

I'd like to hear what DarkKnicks thinks.

Anybody else reading this and having bad flashbacks to Jamal "impressive talent" Crawford??

I have no opinion until I see what DarkKnicks thinks......he's been dead on with his reports on Euro guys.

Right away I'm thinking of Ginobili and Carlos Delfino. Those guys got crazy handles for someone reason. The street game around the world is right on par with the US right now.....it's crazy to me when you see them guys getting so creative on their moves to the basket. I wonder if this kid is on the same level in that respect.
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2/13/2006  1:10 PM
Enyspree, i think he is. I mean i havn't seen him live, nor do i have all the " hookups " most posters have here........ but in just my humble opinion, i think he's the GOODS !!!
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2/13/2006  1:13 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Enyspree, i think he is. I mean i havn't seen him live, nor do i have all the " hookups " most posters have here........ but in just my humble opinion, i think he's the GOODS !!!

I can't knock him till I see him but I got a feeling he is one of those slick Euro guys with the ball.

You know how it is though....when it gets close to the draft there will be video clips available like crazy.
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2/13/2006  1:16 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by OngBok:

Enyspree, i think he is. I mean i havn't seen him live, nor do i have all the " hookups " most posters have here........ but in just my humble opinion, i think he's the GOODS !!!

I can't knock him till I see him but I got a feeling he is one of those slick Euro guys with the ball.

You know how it is though....when it gets close to the draft there will be video clips available like crazy.


he is. if only someone good find the thread from last year with all the international player highlights. you know the one where we saw highlights of Petro, Fran Vazquez, Splitter, Martynas etc? Wish I bookmarked that site. He definitely reminded me of Ginobili with his shennanigans on offense. Much more athletic dunker though

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02-13-2006 1:17 PM]
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2/13/2006  1:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by OngBok:

Enyspree, i think he is. I mean i havn't seen him live, nor do i have all the " hookups " most posters have here........ but in just my humble opinion, i think he's the GOODS !!!

I can't knock him till I see him but I got a feeling he is one of those slick Euro guys with the ball.

You know how it is though....when it gets close to the draft there will be video clips available like crazy.


he is. if only someone good find the thread from last year with all the international player highlights. you know the one where we saw highlights of Petro, Fran Vazquez, Splitter, Martynas etc? Wish I bookmarked that site. He definitely reminded me of Ginobili with his shennanigans on offense. Much more athletic dunker though

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02-13-2006 1:17 PM]

Unless there was an obvious decision--i.e Yao Ming or someone identified Dirk who was a 7 footer--I don't see the NY knicks taking a flyer on a foreign rpospect. There is to much risk involved----look at fran Vasquez as an example and many of them dont produce in the NBA. There is NO way Isiah Thomas or anyone else in this organization is going to stake a first round pick on a foreign player--thats what 2nd round picks are for.
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2/13/2006  1:34 PM
Well, what nbadraft.net says is very true, but I would like to point a few things.
"He is not too aggressive but not afraid either"-> That was my biggest problem with him last season. He is very shy, and sometimes he wasn't even trying things, specially in the most important games. But this year he is playing more consistently and his scoring average has increased a lot (14 ppg is really good in the Spanish league) even with him struggling a bit lately. His confidence is growing and he is still 20 years old. He's starting to act like a true leader, although he's still not, which is VERY important for me. In order to play in the NBA you have to kind of dominate. He was MVP of the week two months ago. Oh, and the guy can REALLY dunk.

Comparing him to Crawford is ok to me, but the main difference is, as nbadraft.net points out, that Rudy is a very intelligent player. Crawford may be more athletic and Rudy may shoot a little bit better, but there's really no big difference to me. I also think Rudy plays better defense, but logically he will have a lot problems for being so skinny.
In conclussion, unlike other guys playing in Spain (who are overrated), I really like Rudy chances of being a very good player. At the very least he should have a Calderon like role. Definately, one of my fav players.
But, already having Jamal, I don't know if he is what we need.
BTW, I'm not sure he will declare for the draft.

OT- From this week's Thursday to Sunday, the Spanish Cup will be played. So, if you get any chance to see it, do it. Rudy Fernandez's team (DKV Joventut) plays against TAU (Scola, Splitter), so it will be a good game.
That's my take on him.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 02-13-2006 1:35 PM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by OngBok:

Enyspree, i think he is. I mean i havn't seen him live, nor do i have all the " hookups " most posters have here........ but in just my humble opinion, i think he's the GOODS !!!

I can't knock him till I see him but I got a feeling he is one of those slick Euro guys with the ball.

You know how it is though....when it gets close to the draft there will be video clips available like crazy.




he is. if only someone good find the thread from last year with all the international player highlights. you know the one where we saw highlights of Petro, Fran Vazquez, Splitter, Martynas etc? Wish I bookmarked that site. He definitely reminded me of Ginobili with his shennanigans on offense. Much more athletic dunker though

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02-13-2006 1:17 PM]

Unless there was an obvious decision--i.e Yao Ming or someone identified Dirk who was a 7 footer--I don't see the NY knicks taking a flyer on a foreign rpospect. There is to much risk involved----look at fran Vasquez as an example and many of them dont produce in the NBA. There is NO way Isiah Thomas or anyone else in this organization is going to stake a first round pick on a foreign player--thats what 2nd round picks are for.

you're definitely right about foreign bigman but there's been a ton of foreign PGs, SGs & SF's who have produced. I haven't seen Roby but I like your assessment we'll see what tranpires in the next few months
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Posted by DarkKnicks:

Well, what nbadraft.net says is very true, but I would like to point a few things.
"He is not too aggressive but not afraid either"-> That was my biggest problem with him last season. He is very shy, and sometimes he wasn't even trying things, specially in the most important games. But this year he is playing more consistently and his scoring average has increased a lot (14 ppg is really good in the Spanish league) even with him struggling a bit lately. His confidence is growing and he is still 20 years old. He's starting to act like a true leader, although he's still not, which is VERY important for me. In order to play in the NBA you have to kind of dominate. He was MVP of the week two months ago. Oh, and the guy can REALLY dunk.

Comparing him to Crawford is ok to me, but the main difference is, as nbadraft.net points out, that Rudy is a very intelligent player. Crawford may be more athletic and Rudy may shoot a little bit better, but there's really no big difference to me. I also think Rudy plays better defense, but logically he will have a lot problems for being so skinny.
In conclussion, unlike other guys playing in Spain (who are overrated), I really like Rudy chances of being a very good player. At the very least he should have a Calderon like role. Definately, one of my fav players.
But, already having Jamal, I don't know if he is what we need.
BTW, I'm not sure he will declare for the draft.

OT- From this week's Thursday to Sunday, the Spanish Cup will be played. So, if you get any chance to see it, do it. Rudy Fernandez's team (DKV Joventut) plays against TAU (Scola, Splitter), so it will be a good game.
That's my take on him.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 02-13-2006 1:35 PM]

good post. THANKS! I like the intelligent part the best. Right there he is miles ahead of Crawford. Trade/bench Jamal for all I care
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Posted by BRIGGS:

I think the way i would go would be the following--I would do what it takes to move up a tad with that Denver pick[if it doesnt become lottery] and select Richard Roby and promise that 28 pick to Aaron Gray if he doesnt workout for anyone. I think Roby has HUGE upside and hes the kind of player we want--a guy who is tough long a scrapper with real skill, tremndous athletiscm and he can really shoot it. Just thinking back, he has a little Ray Allen in him, not as good, but close on the offensive end but he is a way better defender--his level of defense could end up being top notch all caliber NBA.

We need a more relaible back up C. Aaron Gray is simply a monster with burgeoning skills. he can shoot rebound pass, and he has to be about 7-1 275 and not fat at all+ he has anastiness about him that I like. Its not a snazy pick, but he fills the bill. I think both players are good fits here, make good sense. have NBA skills talents and size.

I think some of the more athletic big name guys are going to go to high in the draft, in fact i doubt Gray even makes it down to 28, i really dont, but if Isiah got to these kids and shut them down to workouts, than wed have a chance.

I like the Roby pick. He is exactly what this team needs long term. We need to 1> stop penetration defensively and 2> be able to loosen up the zone, to feed Eddy the ball, with some long range accuracy/consistency. When you add up his skills... athleticism/shooting/defense... he projects much higher... no? I agree though.. he is a perfect fit.
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2/13/2006  2:05 PM
The only problem from Roby (from what I heard) is that he is seriously contemplating staying at college for an additional year.
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Posted by rain:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think the way i would go would be the following--I would do what it takes to move up a tad with that Denver pick[if it doesnt become lottery] and select Richard Roby and promise that 28 pick to Aaron Gray if he doesnt workout for anyone. I think Roby has HUGE upside and hes the kind of player we want--a guy who is tough long a scrapper with real skill, tremndous athletiscm and he can really shoot it. Just thinking back, he has a little Ray Allen in him, not as good, but close on the offensive end but he is a way better defender--his level of defense could end up being top notch all caliber NBA.

We need a more relaible back up C. Aaron Gray is simply a monster with burgeoning skills. he can shoot rebound pass, and he has to be about 7-1 275 and not fat at all+ he has anastiness about him that I like. Its not a snazy pick, but he fills the bill. I think both players are good fits here, make good sense. have NBA skills talents and size.

I think some of the more athletic big name guys are going to go to high in the draft, in fact i doubt Gray even makes it down to 28, i really dont, but if Isiah got to these kids and shut them down to workouts, than wed have a chance.

I like the Roby pick. He is exactly what this team needs long term. We need to 1> stop penetration defensively and 2> be able to loosen up the zone, to feed Eddy the ball, with some long range accuracy/consistency. When you add up his skills... athleticism/shooting/defense... he projects much higher... no? I agree though.. he is a perfect fit.

well, if you read what Larry wants--he wants long guards who can bring the ball up need be with athletsicm toughness smarts both ways.

If you project his numbers out 20%---7minutes less a game that redick morrison you are looking at 23---8--4--3 steals with very similar 3 pt% his efg% is well over 50% but its his build and athletsicm that reminds of a classic lengthy nBA 2 guard. Look how well Kelvin Martin is doing--that size andlength mean a lot in the nBA--opposed to in college where you see burkly guards and under-sized PF make big impacts yet their games dont==nba.
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2/13/2006  4:07 PM
if this guy is an old school type of point guard like a john stockton or a kirk hienrick....then im all for him..... if hes gonna be a guy w the killa crossover like crawford...then he could shove that crossover in his ass!!! ooohs and aaaah dont win ballgame!!
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2/13/2006  4:55 PM
He's bit a PG. He's a prototypical SG.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

that size andlength mean a lot

sh t, i thought that was a myth...
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2/13/2006  6:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

that size andlength mean a lot

sh t, i thought that was a myth...

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