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2/12/2006  12:26 PM
anyone wagering?
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2/12/2006  12:40 PM
wow. talk about starphucking.

here's a better question, would a vanilli coached team of francis, odom, martin + curry get to the finals?
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2/12/2006  1:05 PM
I would vomit, but I think there's a pretty decent chance we end up with ONE of the above.
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2/12/2006  1:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

wow. talk about starphucking.

here's a better question, would a vanilli coached team of francis, odom, martin + curry get to the finals?

LOL that would be the star phuck of the ages and we would still only win 35 games
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2/12/2006  1:17 PM
LB would put Francis, Odom & Martin on the inactive list, continue to play Curry limited minutes !!
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2/12/2006  1:30 PM
Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.
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2/12/2006  1:34 PM
It would be surprising if we get one of those players.

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2/12/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.

I didn't say we were good, I said we have options to improve our team--options other teams don't have because they can't afford it.
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2/12/2006  1:54 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.

I think it's a total ESPN mindset to judge a team by it's W-L record and not look at any of the mitigating circumstances.
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2/12/2006  1:58 PM
who in their right mind would want to play for a team posting a 14-35 record.

maybe only new yorkers, the ones that think they can make a difference.....j-will,odom,artest, maybe skip.

give me new yorkers with a sense of new york pride that want to defend new york turf. all other perpetrators need to exit.
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.

I think it's a total ESPN mindset to judge a team by it's W-L record and not look at any of the mitigating circumstances.

at the end of the day, the team has a $125 mil payroll and has 14 wins to show for it. we are the laughing stock of the entire league, our players have holes, our coach and gm are having a "bigger dick" contest, and oh yeah, did i mention we have the least wins in the nba?

we just made a deal for more salary next year. we're talking about dumping penny as well. money is still being spent and we're an embarrassment. mitigating circumstances? talk to last year's pacers about mitigating circumstances. they seemed to do OK.

enough excuses. we are what we are. will we get better. yes, i think we will. i think (more like HOPE) we're on the right path despite how NASTY is looks right now but we're a joke.
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2/12/2006  2:05 PM
how is it an excuse to say we don't have our best player? would the Lakers be expected to make the playoffs without Kobe? and that's a team full of vets. this is a team of kids and a few crap vets.

I'm not saying Marbury is Kobe, but he is just as important to this team's confidence and offensive execution and actually makes the game easier for Jamal, Frye, Lee, Nate, Curry. Jalen fills some of that role, but clearly not all of it.
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2/12/2006  2:08 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.

I think it's a total ESPN mindset to judge a team by it's W-L record and not look at any of the mitigating circumstances.



what mitigating factors are those?
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2/12/2006  2:10 PM
To answer the question of this post...

NONE, at least not all 3.
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2/12/2006  2:13 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.

I think it's a total ESPN mindset to judge a team by it's W-L record and not look at any of the mitigating circumstances.

what mitigating factors are those?

em...I've said this before, but sure why not: best player out or playing at less than 50% for last 13 games, not a single player on this team has played in every game, 11 new players on the team, new coach.

mainly I just think it's a joke that ESPN will laugh it up at another Knicks loss without mentioning Marbury at all when if Lebron or AI sits out, that's more of a story than the actual game.

but hey, I expect ESPN to pile it on when the Knicks are losing, but it's a little disappointing when people here who I know are smart people ignore the fact that Marbury is out and this team was starting to turn it around before he went down.
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2/12/2006  2:28 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.

I didn't say we were good, I said we have options to improve our team--options other teams don't have because they can't afford it.
according to rumors we have options. Rumors do not = reality. Lets wait and see. Last year our options were Malik Rose and Mo Taylor. Jalen Rose was another "option."

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2/12/2006  3:01 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Isn't it amazing how much flexibility we have while still being way over the cap? We have big expiring contracts, draft picks, young talented players with small salaries, young veterans who other teams would be willing to take a chance on...anyone who says we have no way to improve with our cap situation is really blind.


last i checked, francis, odom, nor kmart are here and we're 14-35 coming off a 33 win season. blind? sh t, 14-35 is pretty f'ing clear as day.

I think it's a total ESPN mindset to judge a team by it's W-L record and not look at any of the mitigating circumstances.

what mitigating factors are those?

em...I've said this before, but sure why not: best player out or playing at less than 50% for last 13 games, not a single player on this team has played in every game, 11 new players on the team, new coach.

mainly I just think it's a joke that ESPN will laugh it up at another Knicks loss without mentioning Marbury at all when if Lebron or AI sits out, that's more of a story than the actual game.

but hey, I expect ESPN to pile it on when the Knicks are losing, but it's a little disappointing when people here who I know are smart people ignore the fact that Marbury is out and this team was starting to turn it around before he went down.


OK, Amare Stoudemire has missed the entire season. The Pheonix Suns have ten new players including their starting C KT who was run out of NY. They have also had several line ups and smaller injuries. What is their excuse for winning? They lost a player who is a first team all NBA player on the same level oR BETTER than ANY NBA player at the end of last year for EVERY game.


We lost Patrick Ewing for 50+ games in 1997 and had various other injuries to many players--why did we end up with a winning record? Are you saying that Marbury's boo boo for 20 games of which he has missed 5-6 is the direct cause of this season. Every year most teams have injuries.
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OK, Amare Stoudemire has missed the entire season. The Pheonix Suns have ten new players including their starting C KT who was run out of NY. They have also had several line ups and smaller injuries. What is their excuse for winning? They lost a player who is a first team all NBA player on the same level oR BETTER than ANY NBA player at the end of last year for EVERY game.


We lost Patrick Ewing for 50+ games in 1997 and had various other injuries to many players--why did we end up with a winning record? Are you saying that Marbury's boo boo for 20 games of which he has missed 5-6 is the direct cause of this season. Every year most teams have injuries.

okay, I'm going to bang my head against the wall one last time here: the Suns have the exact same system as last year, they still have the MVP running the show at PG, they still have on of the best forwards in the NBA in Shawn Marion. They were a 60 win team with Amare, probably a 50 win team without him, but I submit to you that that offense revolves around Nash and what he does at the point. Without Nash last season they went 0-7. If Nash missed the whole year that team might not make the playoffs.

Similarly, the offense in NY revolves around Marbury. We do not have a replacement. With him not playing we 0-8 and he played in 5 games at 50% and we went 1-4. This team, as constructed NEEDs him. The Suns do not have as many new players as the Knicks, sure they've done a good job of replacing QRich and JJohnson. But, again, the biggest difference between the two teams is: Suns have been running the same exact sets since at least the beginning of LAST season, meanwhile the Knicks have a new coach and a new system. Actually I'm not even sure if Brown has settled on a system yet. Has he? It took him for us to get in a 7-21 hole before he realized it might help if Marbury was allowed to score and run pick and rolls.

The situations are completely different. I'm not saying the Suns haven't done a hell of a job, but Nash is the most important player to that team's offense and they've had the same coach/philosophy/offensive sets for a long time now. The Knicks have none of those luxuries.

edit: I'm not saying overall talent-wise the Knicks are remotely in the same boat as the Suns. The Suns have 3 top 20 players and if they're all healthy for 82 games, their ceiling is 65wins. Our ceiling if everything is clicking is maybe 45 wins. But I do believe that ceiling can rise based on improvement in Frye, Lee, Curry, Jamal. I just don't think LB's system is helping them improve


[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-12-2006 3:17 PM]
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2/12/2006  3:27 PM
It's VERY simple. If you have the league MVP and an oustanding SF in Marion, you can afford to lose one great player. If you have mostly young players whose better days are ahead of them and most of your veterans are mediocre, you can't afford to lose a star player. Why is this so shocking to some people?
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