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djsunyc
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2/12/2006  12:12 AM
eddy makes $55 mil for 6 years. as of today, there is no clear cut stud coming out in the draft.

come draft night, what has more value in terms of making moves or improving the roster: the #1 pick overall or eddy curry?
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2/12/2006  12:20 AM
Right now Curry would be the #1 pick in this draft--if not then a definate top 2 (See Emeka with his back problems going 2), albeit at a more manageable 3/4 yr. contract.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:21 AM]
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2/12/2006  12:25 AM
Posted by joec32033:

Right now Curry would be the #1 pick in this draft--if not then a definate top 2 (See Emeka with his back problems going 2), albeit at a more manageable 3/4 yr. contract.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:21 AM]

he wasn't even the no. 1 pick in his own draft.
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2/12/2006  12:26 AM
But for the heart problem, Curry.
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2/12/2006  12:27 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:

Right now Curry would be the #1 pick in this draft--if not then a definate top 2 (See Emeka with his back problems going 2), albeit at a more manageable 3/4 yr. contract.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:21 AM]

he wasn't even the no. 1 pick in his own draft.

OK.......who would you pick in this draft over Curry...we'll start from there.....remember he would have been in college 4 years now, 4 years of body and game development......who would you pick over him?
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2/12/2006  12:29 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:

Right now Curry would be the #1 pick in this draft--if not then a definate top 2 (See Emeka with his back problems going 2), albeit at a more manageable 3/4 yr. contract.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:21 AM]

he wasn't even the no. 1 pick in his own draft.

I just looked this up...KWAME BROWN went #1.....Ty Chandler went #2, Pau Gasol went #3, and Curry went #4....
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2/12/2006  12:30 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:

Right now Curry would be the #1 pick in this draft--if not then a definate top 2 (See Emeka with his back problems going 2), albeit at a more manageable 3/4 yr. contract.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:21 AM]

he wasn't even the no. 1 pick in his own draft.

remember he would have been in college 4 years now, 4 years of body and game development


...and the heart problem.

Aldridge Gay Morrison Splitter.
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2/12/2006  12:32 AM
I'm going with Curry, only because we already drafted Frye.. and the best available big man in the draft is LeMarcus Aldridge from Texas... Basically another player in the Channing Frye mold.

Unless you think Rudy Gay or Adam Morrison would be better fits for this team??? Eddy Curry was thr right way to go in my opinion.. I ain't mad at Isiah for this one.

Besides we still have two 1st rd picks, that we can either package along with a combo of players or draft talent with.
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2/12/2006  12:32 AM
Well the answer's complicated because Milli Vanilli seem determined to turn lemons into squeezed-out wasted rotted lemons, but I'd rather have this year's #1 than Curry, and then play this year the "right way" (can I say this? - I've lived more years than Larry's coached but I haven't scored 81 in a game - YET!). The "right way" then is play and develop the young guys, with a system that takes advantage of their abilites now while also developing their all-around games and shaping sound team ball, getting rid of or letting expire most of the vets. Lose plenty while developing the youngs and seeing exactly what we have and building up to the #1 pick this year - AND our own #1 the following. Curry in no way offsets that approach in my mind.
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2/12/2006  12:38 AM
it's a personal preference question. IMO noone except Morrison may have the dreaded "franchise player" tag, but they can turn out to be solid. I personally think Curry at an average season after he develops will be alot more useful (notice the way I phrased it) to a team than any of the pciks in this draft.
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2/12/2006  12:52 AM
I can accept trading this year's #1, although there should have been at least top three protection because it wasn't foreseeable that the Knicks would be this bad so the Bulls shouldn't have been permittted to reap a windfall, BUT giving them the right to swap first round picks next year without lottery protection was inexcusable.

[Edited by - Rich on 02-12-2006 12:53 AM]
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2/12/2006  12:57 AM
Posted by Rich:

I can accept trading this year's #1, although there should have been at least top three protection because it wasn't foreseeable that the Knicks would be this bad so the Bulls shouldn't have been permittted to reap a windfall, BUT giving them the right to swap first round picks next year without lottery protection was inexcusable.

[Edited by - Rich on 02-12-2006 12:53 AM]
Yeah, the next year thing is terrible. Although, hopefully we will NOT be that bad next year.
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2/12/2006  1:17 AM
i'd take morrison over curry - in fact if chicago offered us our pick back for curry i'd do that deal in a second. Did anyone see morrison on ESPN today? he had an off game and still took over in the 4th and brought his team back. i've been watching him all year, the guy knows how to score and find his teammates, and can shoot the lights out. he'd be a great guy to build our team around. if we had all three picks we could try to draft guys like morrison, brandon roy, hilton armstrong - along with frye that's a great young lineup, a lot more promising than the 14 win team we have now is.
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2/12/2006  1:22 AM
Here is ESPN's scouting report on Morrison if anyone is interested:

Draft Projection: Top 10

Similarities: Larry Bird or Wally Szczerbiak?

Notes: The dude looks like he should be hosting a "Star Trek" convention. But when he gets on the court, there are very few people who can light it up the way Morrison can. Like every white player who can hit a jump shot, he is typically compared to Larry Bird. Morrison struggles with diabetes. Several times he's had to take insulin shots during games. Other players have gone on to have successful careers with the disease, but it's certainly a big question mark if you're thinking about handing him a three-year guaranteed contract.

Positives: His confidence in himself and his game is palatable. His ability to consistently make tough shots with a hand in his face might be his most appealing aspect. He's crafty and finds a way to get his shot. He's tireless and constantly in motion. His 3-point shot seems to be improving this year. His knowledge of the game, his passing ability, his silky-smooth jumper and his fierce competitiveness all are Bird-esque.

Negatives: He has average (at best) athleticism, heavy legs, isn't a great rebounder, struggles to defend quick, athletic players, is a historically poor 3-point shooting (31 percent last season) and his struggle with diabetes scares some scouts.

Summary: Morrison is one of the toughest guys to rank. A small handful of scouts have him ranked in the top five. Others have him in the teens or early 20s. The scouts who have him ranked high emphasize his toughness, mid-range shooting ability, versatility, basketball IQ and killer competitive instinct. People keep comparing him to Larry Bird because of his swagger. But he doesn't rebound or shoot the ball as well as Larry did. To quote one NBA exec who knew Larry well, "He ain't no Larry Bird." Morrison will go high because he's so intriguing. But I wonder if Reggie Miller and maybe Wally Szczerbiak are better comparisons than Bird.
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2/12/2006  9:21 AM
Curry is 23 an wouldnt be in this draft. It's not really valid. the honest answer to this question is--why did we not ask for lottery protection or give up Trevor Ariza to save the picks? Easy answer--Isiah thomas thought wed be a great team--picks only mid to low lottery. thats the only reasonable answer--he did not factor downside risk and over-rated Ariza. I wouldve liked to keep Lee, but how could you risk your franchise on something like that? Its not really about Eddy Curry,its about the leverage we had and the negotiations in this trade. We were the only team willing to take EC with no insurance/possible heart problems AND pay him BIG. Chicago was NOT taking him back----offered to retire him. Mike Sweetney and a lotto protected #1 was more than fair.
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2/12/2006  9:24 AM
Reggie was white?

Morrison has diabetes. Be hard to put a top 3 label on him despite his dicipline.

If Curry did not die his senior year he would have been the no. 1 pick.

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2/12/2006  10:13 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:

Right now Curry would be the #1 pick in this draft--if not then a definate top 2 (See Emeka with his back problems going 2), albeit at a more manageable 3/4 yr. contract.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:21 AM]

he wasn't even the no. 1 pick in his own draft.

remember he would have been in college 4 years now, 4 years of body and game development


...and the heart problem.

Aldridge Gay Morrison Splitter.

we've been over this: he's been cleared by every doctor he ever saw. one doctor cleared him but recommended a genetic test.

his heart is fine.
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2/12/2006  10:16 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:

Right now Curry would be the #1 pick in this draft--if not then a definate top 2 (See Emeka with his back problems going 2), albeit at a more manageable 3/4 yr. contract.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:21 AM]

he wasn't even the no. 1 pick in his own draft.

remember he would have been in college 4 years now, 4 years of body and game development


...and the heart problem.

Aldridge Gay Morrison Splitter.

we've been over this: he's been cleared by every doctor he ever saw. one doctor cleared him but recommended a genetic test.

his heart is fine.

Doctors are wrong a lot. It's not as if he never had an incident.
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2/12/2006  11:07 AM
I think the question is moot. The REAL question is:
WHY THE HELL DID ISIAH NOT PROTECT THE PICK 1-5?
Are we going to be the first team in history to
trade away a pick only to have it turn into the #1 of the draft?
No team should ever let that happen, esp., for someone
that's a question mark like Curry. Like Briggs said,
months ago, you need some insurance against disaster.
I scoffed then, but I take it back. He was 100% right.
If we end up losing the #1 pick in the draft, that should
be grounds for firing Isiah. Period.
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2/12/2006  11:13 AM
The unprotected pick this year was about the only thing of value we gave up. Sweetney and Thomas weren't worth a hell of alot to us or anyone else during the summer. Isiah gambled and I think it was a good gamble. If I could take back the trade I wouldn't--remember that we also got AD in the deal which we turned into Jalen and a mid-first round pick.
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what has more value: #1 or curry?

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