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Knicks Look Forward to Rose-y Future (Knicks.com Article)
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Knight
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In The Paint Inside Practice
Knicks Look Forward to Rose-y Future
by Tom Kertes

GREENBURGH, NY, February 6, 2006 -- For anyone still questioning the Jalen Rose trade, the swing-man’s superb play against Houston -- 16 points, 11 assists, tons of terrific ball movement in his very first game with the team -- provided a resounding reply. “We looked like a different team on offense, didn’t we?” Coach Larry Brown smiled. “And that was without Stephon! We had much better ball movement, therefore we had better control of the pace of the game. Jalen also really helped Jamal (Crawford). Jamal’s been trying so hard to play perfect and play like a point guard…He gave Jamal a lot of opportunities. It’s really amazing that with the number of days we had to practice with him -- which was basically zero -- he had such a feel for what was going on. But it really IS amazing what an experienced ball mover such as Jalen can do for you.”

“And we have another guy around here in a gray (practice) shirt who’s pretty good, I think his name is Marbury,” Rose joked after Knicks practice at the team’s Madison Square Garden Training Center in Greenburgh, New York. “When he comes back, we’ll be great.’’

There’s little question about the impact of what TWO perceptive playmakers, such as Rose and Marbury, out on the floor at the same time can do for a team. When that will happen, however, is the BIG question.

“It’s hard -- but if the trainers and coach tell me the best thing is that I should sit out until the All-Star break than that’s what I will do,” Marbury said about resting his injured left shoulder. “Coach can definitely tell the difference between the way I was playing before the injury and what I was able to do afterwards. It felt better when I came back but I didn’t have any strength. I’m now building and working on my strength. When I get hit on it, it sets me back. It’s hard for me because I use my shoulder so much. I didn’t even realize how much I used my shoulder, every time down the court, going to the basket, just in a variety of different things.”

“Right now I’m feeling as good as when I first came back -- but then I took two or three shots against Atlanta and one more in the Laker game and that set me way back,” Marbury added. “So I just don’t know what’s the best thing to do.”

Brown is equally perplexed. “I’m told (for tomorrow’s Clippers game) he’s doubtful,” he said. “They (the doctors) thought he was ready to come back, he felt he was ready to come back. It’s just one of those things.”

“I would never ask a player to come back,” said Brown. “That’s the last thing I would ever do. I’ve got to trust our medical staff and everybody involved. I know Steph will try to do the right thing.”

“This is a quality player and a quality person. And, with any teammate, you’ve got to look out for what’s best for him.”

Still, a Marbury-Rose duo out on the floor playing beautiful music together has to sound heavenly to Brown’s ears. ”It’s not just the ball movement -- though that’s big -- but you also have another threat,” smiled the coach. “You have an experienced player -- because we have so many young kids. I think it really helps Stephon, it’ll help Jamal. The more guys that are threats, and the more guys who have the ability to pass, the better off everybody is.”

“That’s been the problem all season, having guys who move the ball,” added Brown. “I think they all TRIED to do it. But I think we need more guys with experience, that understand when a guy is open, if we’re double teamed who’s going to be free, guys who can feed it to the post. Eddy (Curry) caught it deeper in the post yesterday than he has all year. So I’m hopeful that’ll improve a well.”

Marbury can’t wait either. “You got two passers and two guys who can make plays,” he said, eyes glowing in anticipation. “It will be a huge help.”

To the Knicks rookies as well -- and that’s in spite of some possible loss of minutes. “Oh, they are going to benefit by having Jalen here,” stressed Brown. “Really, when you think about it, right now Eddy, Channing (Frye), and Qyntel (Woods) will get the bulk of the minutes for the young guys. David Lee, Jackie Butler, Trevor (Ariza) and Nate (Robinson) at times are going to play -- and I think they are going to improve.”

“ Now practices are going to be better with Jalen out there,” said Brown. ‘’He has experience. He makes it easier for them. When you’re playing with Jalen, as opposed to another young guy, you’re more confident. The pro game is like a different sport than college basketball. Jalen is going to hit you when you’re open, he knows rotations, he knows personnel, he’ll get you in positions where you can be successful on both ends of the court. So I think it benefits them all.”

“Steph was doing all that -- but we’ve got to have more of those guys. You can’t just have one guy, especially somebody that people are trying to take things away from. Now if you have two or three guys out there who can move the ball… it just makes it easier for everybody.”

Rose’s all-around presence also steadied the Knicks’ rotation in the Houston game. “I played two centers, two small forwards, two power forwards,” said Brown. “I think if we could have had that from the beginning, our progress would have been steadier.”

“I’m just trying to make guys better, make the game easier,” said Rose. “I knew that Houston was playing me as if I was going to come into the Garden and make a big--time splash. So I wanted to give up a good shot to get a great shot -- and the guys were doing a great job knocking them down.”

“I understand that winning is a process,” added Rose. “I learned that when I was young, watching how the Bulls had to take their lumps. It was the same with the Lakers and the Celtics. You don’t just come in and be a great team overnight. Getting that camaraderie with the guys, getting a set lineup, a set rotation, guys being familiar with one another, people sacrificing for each other, that takes time. Normally, you don’t get that job done in the first year and a half.”
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djsunyc
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2/6/2006  9:33 PM
we are still rebuilding, right?
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2/6/2006  9:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.
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2/6/2006  9:36 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

I agree that Jalen will be great for the kids. I think that was quite clear yesterday.

NY is different, there is so much pressure here, Berman, Isola and the gang busting your chops every day, ESPN making fun of you every night. Is Chris Paul makes a mistake, 99% of the sports-watching country will never know. If Frye makes one, it'll be all over Sportscenter and in 7 newspapers.

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2/6/2006  9:38 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

whew. cool. i was getting worried there for a second.

hey, everyone, it's ok. we're still rebuilding.
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2/6/2006  9:41 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

How many do you need?
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2/6/2006  9:42 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

How many do you need?

At least one more, so I'm hoping we can deal Lee for Ratliff soon. I would throw in Nate and a #1 if I was pressed.
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2/6/2006  9:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

whew. cool. i was getting worried there for a second.

hey, everyone, it's ok. we're still rebuilding.

we clearly have a lot of young talent and they're trying to find the right mix to make that young talent work. it's never going to work the same in NY as it does in Atlanta, the Garden will still be mostly full, and we are prime examples that no one will stop paying attention no matter how bad it gets.

You lose in New York and ESPN, Saturday Night Live, Mike and the Mad Dog and everyone else will be all over you without even watching a game. This town loves to celebrate its successes and tear down its failures.
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2/6/2006  9:44 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

How many do you need?

At least one more, so I'm hoping we can deal Lee for Ratliff soon. I would throw in Nate and a #1 if I was pressed.

WTF? Are you serious? Have you seen Theo play any time in the last two years? I'd rather have Mutombo.
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2/6/2006  9:45 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

How many do you need?

At least one more, so I'm hoping we can deal Lee for Ratliff soon. I would throw in Nate and a #1 if I was pressed.

WTF? Are you serious? Have you seen Theo play any time in the last two years? I'd rather have Mutombo.

I would too but the young players can't understand what the f^ck Dikembe says when he talks.
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2/6/2006  9:46 PM
about Lee for Ratliff. Rich loves Lee.
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2/6/2006  9:49 PM
You outed me. I love players that can pass and rebound.
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2/6/2006  9:49 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

How many do you need?

At least one more, so I'm hoping we can deal Lee for Ratliff soon. I would throw in Nate and a #1 if I was pressed.

that is the worst trade i have ever heard--nothing personal
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

whew. cool. i was getting worried there for a second.

hey, everyone, it's ok. we're still rebuilding.

we clearly have a lot of young talent and they're trying to find the right mix to make that young talent work. it's never going to work the same in NY as it does in Atlanta, the Garden will still be mostly full, and we are prime examples that no one will stop paying attention no matter how bad it gets.

You lose in New York and ESPN, Saturday Night Live, Mike and the Mad Dog and everyone else will be all over you without even watching a game. This town loves to celebrate its successes and tear down its failures.

if the knicks had a payroll of $45 mil, no high priced stiffs, and a young core, and lose, EVERYBODY would understand what's going on here.

but when you have a $125 mil payroll (and looking to make it bigger), with vet STIFFS, and STILL lose at an alarming rate, well, as chuck d said, "you gonna get yourz"
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2/6/2006  10:02 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

whew. cool. i was getting worried there for a second.

hey, everyone, it's ok. we're still rebuilding.

we clearly have a lot of young talent and they're trying to find the right mix to make that young talent work. it's never going to work the same in NY as it does in Atlanta, the Garden will still be mostly full, and we are prime examples that no one will stop paying attention no matter how bad it gets.

You lose in New York and ESPN, Saturday Night Live, Mike and the Mad Dog and everyone else will be all over you without even watching a game. This town loves to celebrate its successes and tear down its failures.

if the knicks had a payroll of $45 mil, no high priced stiffs, and a young core, and lose, EVERYBODY would understand what's going on here.

but when you have a $125 mil payroll (and looking to make it bigger), with vet STIFFS, and STILL lose at an alarming rate, well, as chuck d said, "you gonna get yourz"

Actually, just to be annoyingly particular, that's Flav's line...
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Posted by PresIke:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

we are still rebuilding, right?

Yes. You need veterans to rebuild.

whew. cool. i was getting worried there for a second.

hey, everyone, it's ok. we're still rebuilding.

we clearly have a lot of young talent and they're trying to find the right mix to make that young talent work. it's never going to work the same in NY as it does in Atlanta, the Garden will still be mostly full, and we are prime examples that no one will stop paying attention no matter how bad it gets.

You lose in New York and ESPN, Saturday Night Live, Mike and the Mad Dog and everyone else will be all over you without even watching a game. This town loves to celebrate its successes and tear down its failures.

if the knicks had a payroll of $45 mil, no high priced stiffs, and a young core, and lose, EVERYBODY would understand what's going on here.

but when you have a $125 mil payroll (and looking to make it bigger), with vet STIFFS, and STILL lose at an alarming rate, well, as chuck d said, "you gonna get yourz"

Actually, just to be annoyingly particular, that's Flav's line...

you're right but my "nine-ty-eight olds-mo-bile is..."
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“Oh, they are going to benefit by having Jalen here,” stressed Brown. “Really, when you think about it, right now Eddy, Channing (Frye), and Qyntel (Woods) will get the bulk of the minutes for the young guys. David Lee, Jackie Butler, Trevor (Ariza) and Nate (Robinson) at times are going to play -- and I think they are going to improve.”

Larry, WTF? Would you please put Lee and Nate out there!?!?!? I'd like to see Jackie get minutes too, and Reezy needs his to grow, but really, you're gonna sweat Lee and Nate?!?!?!?!
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if the knicks had a payroll of $45 mil, no high priced stiffs, and a young core, and lose, EVERYBODY would understand what's going on here.

Even I would understand that. Hell I'd applaud it, even if Isiah was the one who did it.
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2/6/2006  10:14 PM
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if the knicks had a payroll of $45 mil, no high priced stiffs, and a young core, and lose, EVERYBODY would understand what's going on here.

but when you have a $125 mil payroll (and looking to make it bigger), with vet STIFFS, and STILL lose at an alarming rate, well, as chuck d said, "you gonna get yourz"

Houston, JYD, Shandon, Penny aren't here, so that payroll number is a little inflated. Insurance is covering 80% of Penny and Allan, we aren't paying the luxury on JYD or Allan. The guys that play make about $80 million. Sorry, that payroll number annoys me.
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2/6/2006  10:24 PM
I think out of that group(Lee, Butler, Ariza, Robinson) only Lee and Butler have really EARNED the right to play. If i was Zeke, I would pull that Ratliff trade (either Ratliff, Jack, and 1st rounder for Penny and Ariza--yes it works or the trade that nets us Ratliff and Martin because I feel Frye may be at least a year away from truly being ready to start, and when he is ready Martin will still be young enough to get something for him...)
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Knicks Look Forward to Rose-y Future (Knicks.com Article)

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