He is a rookie !! Remember, its his first year so he is doing what he knows. But next year he will do what was taught to him during his first year in the NBA.

I would be satisfied with a Smits type of player !!

how many times has doleac put up 30 points in his career in the NBA?

I'm not even going to check. 0.

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That was kinda gay ........

Posted by PresIke:

[quote]Posted by purple012870:

one thing worries me about Frye:

He has no offense game if its not an open jumper. Its a beautiful looking shot but he has no post game & has no ability whatsoever to take advantage of people overplaying his jumpshot by faking and getting around them via the dribble/drive. So, at this point he's more Michael Doleac than Rasheed Wallace (I know both are silly & extreme comparisons, but you get the point).

I respectfully disagree with your assessment based upon plenty of evidence to the contrary. I recall him using a nice hook shot in the post, on occasion, as well as taking his man off the dribble with a power dunk. I recall during the 6 game win streak when he was on the baseline guarded by his defender and he took him off the dribble for a ferocious dunk. That was a "superstar" type of move that indicated to me how good he can become. I've also seen him use a fake to draw his man and then step up to get an easier, open, shorter jump shot.

The comparison to Micahel Doleac is highly unwarranted (no matter if one calls it "extreme," it was still used, and seems somewhat derogatory) as he has shown that he is more than a jump shooter. I've seen him work the post pretty well at times, but it would be nice to see him add some more moves. Does Frye need to work on improving other aspects of his offensive game and defense? No question about that but I'm a bit surprised how forgetful some fans are regarding Frye's performance in several games this year.

It's as if, since the Knicks are losing, some fans here are finding ways to pick on everyone who they had a personal problem with as a Knick at some point either before or during this season and conveniently forget contributions the player has made that don't fit their original assessment of that player.



I'll give you a straight forward analysis. Both Frye and Curry have the same defecencies. Both are poor shot blockers, rebounders, defenders. While ar first, I thought their different skill sets would have a nice synergy to them, the more and more I watch them play--they are the same--both offensive players albeit one does it close and one does it perimeter based.

Now I belief the synergy is poor, the balance is not there.For example--- rasheed Wallace, really is only a fair rebounder, but Ben Wallace is the best. Rasheed is a pretty decent shot blocker and rarely has his shot blocked becaus of his length, but Ben Wallace is the best shot blocker. The way their skill sets interact with the unit is perfect. With frye and curry, you are missing big important pieces of the game. Is Curry going to change after 5 years--stats so far say no, body language no, nothing leads me to believe that all of a sudden Curry will be a shot blocker/rebounder---and that was easily seen when he goes up against longer taller players like Dalembart and Bynum. hes just not as long as these players.
Frye is long, but has a poor base and you cant change that.

I was thinking if we could somehow trade Frye up into the draft and grab Sheldan Williams and move our pick/// and or acquire another one and draft a real 7 footer who can rebound like Aaron Gray--we can deal with curry playing 26 minutes --maybe thats all he can do and we can switch up big.

I dont buy into this guy has been here 5 years in the league, this guy is a rookie--i have a plate full of evidence from AZ and Curry in the nBA that tells me they're a bad fit. Yes their offensive games collectively--you could see synergistic possibilities, but its the other important part of the games that kill them--they are nOT a good fit.


I know some people dont understand it, dont want to beleive it, but the evidence is absolutely there--Frye and Curry CANNOT be a long term tandem

Briggs-
You make similar points that I made in Thread where I suggested the Knicks go after Tyson Chandler. In that thread, you called Chandler a bust and I respectfully disagreed.

Last 5 games, Chandler is averaging about 15pts 12rbs and 1.5 blks.

He was the perfect compliment to Curry last year. His strengths are Currys weaknesses and vice versa and the other way around.

Chandler is a terrific help defender, good shot blocker, very good rebounder and excells in the open court where he can trail a fast break and finish because of his foot speed. This is the guy I would go after.

I'd trade Lee, Penny for Chandler. May have to include the Spurs pick aswell.

Curry, Chandler and Frye would make a good thrtee headed monster. They all compliment each other very well and all are under 23 yrs old

I'm a bit skeptical on Williams myself. I know its only one game but did you see how he vanished againat the Hoyas?

Posted by bigbeast:

I'm a bit skeptical on Williams myself. I know its only one game but did you see how he vanished againat the Hoyas?

Hes been a consistent guy for his whole career. the guys defense is unbelievable. hes probably the top defensive prospect in this draft--that came out right, hes not the best propsect in the draft rather the best defensive prospect. there are other ways we can go--like keeping both and looking for other guys who balance them off. but i dont see frye curry long term 35+minutes starters together.

Posted by purple012870:

I think you're over-rating Sheldon Williams. I like him, but he's not all that athletic. Matter of fact, I think he'll have a really hard time finishing at the rim at the next level. I see him more as a very poor man's Oakley (Reggie Evans may be a better comparison) than an athletic 4.

a lot of people said boozer was not athletic and they were wrong. hes not a 5 but he can play well above the rim. hes really been their only guy--they really havent had a good 4 hes been it and look what he has done the last two years.