The Jalen Rose rumours continue to swirl.

The New York Post reported yesterday that the Raptors and New York Knicks could be closing in on a long-rumoured deal that would send the ever-improving Rose and the Denver Nuggets' first-round pick this year (likely protected) for the expiring contract of Penny Hardaway.

There is another rumour floating out there linking the teams to a multiple-player, pick deal. Knicks forward Trevor Ariza's name has been mentioned and New York could have interest in Raptors point guard Mike James, who is playing the best basketball of his career.

"Really since the Vince Carter trade, the reality of it is ... would an established veteran really relate to being on a team that's actively rebuilding," Rose said. "From that, along with my salary and age, it's just a foregone conclusion by a lot of people (he will be traded). Nobody has really come out and said anything against it from our organization. It just has been a foregone conclusion that Jalen will eventually be traded.

"I don't know how much truth or not truth there is to that. Of course, I want to be on a winning team. Of course, I want to try to (go) for a championship one day. When I got a chance to taste it in 2000, there's nothing like it. Not individual acclaim. Hopefully, that (a championship) is in my future, but it's not up to me to determine that."

Does Rose think a trade will go down?

"I understand sometimes where there's smoke there's fire," he said.

"A lot of the deals that really get discussed are the deals that don't happen. I just try to be a pro about it. If it's meant to be, it's going to happen.

" I understand that, everybody in the know understands that."

INTERESTING ADVICE

Rose was asked if he gives any tips to younger teammates in advance of a game against Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers, the opposition for the Raptors last night.

"I tell young guys to take a nap before the game, have a good pre-game and pray a lot and just hope he misses," Rose said with a smile.
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I would love to do Ariza + Penny for James + Jalen + lotto-protected Denver pick (Denver is making the playoffs).

Steph/Jamal
James/Nate
Lee/Jalen
AD/Mo T
Curry/Frye

It'd be nice to ditch QRich and JJ and Malik somehow.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Does Rose, M. James, Den #1 for Penny + Ariza work under the CBA? I would do that trade. I like Mike James a lot. He plays very tough and strong on both ends of the court. It would force Nate or Jamal out of the rotation, but James is better than either of them. I might look to trade Nate if that deal occured.

yes, it works with the new 25% trade rule.

why would that trade force Nate or Jamal out of the rotation? it would just limit their minutes, especially if they were playing poorly.

Getting Rose and James goes against everything that Isiah says is now his "plan". It's just adding older and/or high priced veterans who aren't a part of the future but will take minutes away from the kids that we're allegedly now trying to develop into our core. Lee's, Ariza's, Crawford's and Nate's playing time will suffer with their additions.

Not that I think that highly of that "core" but what's the point of trading for these players? To win a few more games this year and next? Why, to make the Curry deal look not as bad? This is just more of Isiah's BS plan where it changes from one day to the next. First we're looking to win now so we trade for Marbury and try to win surrounding him. Then that doesn't work so we're instead rebuilding and going with youth. Well the youth is flawed and we're losing so let's shake things back up and trade for 2 veterans in their 30's who will take minutes away from the young guys who haven't been traded.

Where does this move take us? From a top of the lottery team to the bottom of the lottery? All while getting older, more expensive and keeping the young players from developing. Nice. It's Isiah making moves just for the sake of making movesm, which just sink us deeper and deeper, instead of actually having a plan.

Originally quoted by Jalen Rose:

... would an established veteran really relate to being on a team that's actively rebuilding...?

I guess NY is just sorta rebuilding...

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Mac:

Originally quoted by Jalen Rose:

... would an established veteran really relate to being on a team that's actively rebuilding...?

I guess NY is just sorta rebuilding...

When you're rebuilding, you definitely need good veteran role models who play hard and show the young players the right way to play. I have no doubt that Mike James is that kind of player. I would not expect Jalen to be here too long unless he plays the way Larry would want him to.

And when you're rebuilding do you want veterans to take important minutes away from the young players that you're supposedly developing? You do understand whose minutes James and Rose will be taking, right?

if it gets us a draft pick its worth it, we wont be under the cap next year anyways so who cares if we take on jalen

Posted by Bonn1997:

Whose minutes is that? Ideally, I'd want James taking away Jamal's minutes and Rose taking away Q Rich and Q Woods and Ariza's minutes. If they take away some minutes from Nate and Lee, it's okay as long as it's not a lot of minutes. Taking min away from those players is not nearly as problematic to me as a veteran taking away minutes from Frye, who is a bigger key piece to the future of the franchise.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 2:43 PM]

That's beyond funny. If KT were still here, according to you, he'd be taking only Frye's minutes and not Rose's, Davis' or Mo T's like I said. But now James and Jalen would barely take minutes away from Nate and Lee but mostly from the paltry minutes that Q Rich, Ariza and Woods play combined. Wasn't Crawford supposed to be one of the players we're building around? Guess he's not that big of a piece of the puzzle regardless of the $55M that we're paying him.

Posted by Bippity10:

Why not make that deal? You get a first round pick back for Penny. Then you can go ahead and trade Jalen's expiring contract and better skills next year.

What would be the complaint? Let Penny's contract come off the books? We'd still be over the cap next year so Jalen's one year longer would be inconsequential.

If no draft pick was included, THEN it would be a bad deal and just like all the rest.

$16 + $16 (luxury tax kicks in this year) = $32 mil for a first round pick.

eh...is dolan that stupid?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Whose minutes is that? Ideally, I'd want James taking away Jamal's minutes and Rose taking away Q Rich and Q Woods and Ariza's minutes. If they take away some minutes from Nate and Lee, it's okay as long as it's not a lot of minutes. Taking min away from those players is not nearly as problematic to me as a veteran taking away minutes from Frye, who is a bigger key piece to the future of the franchise.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 2:43 PM]

That's beyond funny. If KT were still here, according to you, he'd be taking only Frye's minutes and not Rose's, Davis' or Mo T's like I said. But now James and Jalen would barely take minutes away from Nate and Lee but mostly from the paltry minutes that Q Rich, Ariza and Woods play combined. Wasn't Crawford supposed to be one of the players we're building around? Guess he's not that big of a piece of the puzzle regardless of the $55M that we're paying him.

I've said all along that I want players who can contribute for 5 years or more. If (a) Kurt were Mike James' age and (b) Kurt had Mike James athleticism rather than turtle slow feet, and (c) Frye had only the upside of Nate or Lee rather than being an ROY candidate, then I wouldn't mind if he stole minutes from every PF including Frye. Similarly, if Make James were 34 and had no upside, slow lateral movement, I wouldn't want him stealing one minute from Nate.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 4:46 PM]

We need to trade Craw I done reckon?