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Caseloads
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1/19/2006  12:19 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38738/20060119/hornets_explicit_in_search_for_big_man/

And Maciej Lampe?

"Can we talk about something else?" Scott said when questioned about the inactive and oft-injured center. "I think he's got everyone around here disappointed. He comes back from one practice, gets hurt, and he's gone for a week or two. I'm not real high on him right now."
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1/19/2006  12:21 PM
He's no KVH.
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1/19/2006  12:25 PM
Rememeber "light the lampe" and all the other stuff that was said about this guy? Layden did nothing for this team.
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1/19/2006  12:29 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Rememeber "light the lampe" and all the other stuff that was said about this guy? Layden did nothing for this team.

I wish he did nothing. He set the team back several years.
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1/19/2006  12:32 PM
the best part was Chad Ford. And I quote... "In a couple of years this may very well be known as the Lampe trade, not the Marbury trade."

Right.... any of you insiders should ask him about that during the next chat.

I have a feeling his body isnt developed. He may not be able to play in this league until he's 24-25.
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1/19/2006  12:49 PM
i always thought of it as the kirk snyder trade...
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1/19/2006  12:52 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the best part was Chad Ford. And I quote... "In a couple of years this may very well be known as the Lampe trade, not the Marbury trade."

Right.... any of you insiders should ask him about that during the next chat.

I have a feeling his body isnt developed. He may not be able to play in this league until he's 24-25.

Hmmm . . . if there's a way of lending out insider status, I would be SO happy to ask . . .

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1/19/2006  12:52 PM
don't forget Vujanic.
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1/19/2006  12:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i always thought of it as the kirk snyder trade...

I always thought of it as the Dwight Howard, Omeka Okafor or Ben Gordon trade since we were headed for a much higher pick and possibly even moreso if Isiah had done the right thing and dismantled the team when he got here.

It's not about what type of player Lampe becomes, it's about his trade value when he was traded and it was much higher then.
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1/19/2006  12:56 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by fishmike:

the best part was Chad Ford. And I quote... "In a couple of years this may very well be known as the Lampe trade, not the Marbury trade."

Right.... any of you insiders should ask him about that during the next chat.

I have a feeling his body isnt developed. He may not be able to play in this league until he's 24-25.

Hmmm . . . if there's a way of lending out insider status, I would be SO happy to ask . . .

If you want to use my insider just have Andrew or Martin forward me your email address and I'd be happy to give it to you.
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1/19/2006  12:59 PM
Posted by islesfan:

It's not about what type of player Lampe becomes, it's about his trade value when he was traded and it was much higher then.

right, so the magic are smart for trading wallace for grant hil since, at the time, grant hill's value was worth more.

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Posted by islesfan:

It's not about what type of player Lampe becomes, it's about his trade value when he was traded and it was much higher then.
Which is exactly what Chad Ford should have thought about too. He shouldnt have bothered with "in a couple of years" instead of right now.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by fishmike:

the best part was Chad Ford. And I quote... "In a couple of years this may very well be known as the Lampe trade, not the Marbury trade."

Right.... any of you insiders should ask him about that during the next chat.

I have a feeling his body isnt developed. He may not be able to play in this league until he's 24-25.

Hmmm . . . if there's a way of lending out insider status, I would be SO happy to ask . . .

If you want to use my insider just have Andrew or Martin forward me your email address and I'd be happy to give it to you.

Sweet. Andrew/Martin, please do.
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1/19/2006  1:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i always thought of it as the kirk snyder trade...


You mean the Penny Hardaway trade.
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1/19/2006  1:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the best part was Chad Ford. And I quote... "In a couple of years this may very well be known as the Lampe trade, not the Marbury trade."
I'm pretty sure the Suns' GM said that. Maybe Ford did also though.

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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

the best part was Chad Ford. And I quote... "In a couple of years this may very well be known as the Lampe trade, not the Marbury trade."
I'm pretty sure the Suns' GM said that. Maybe Ford did also though.

Actually I'm pretty sure the Suns GM said "Holy Sh*t! We actually found someone stupid enough to take Marbury's and Penny's contracts and now we have a shot at signing a top free agent like Steve Nash this winter!! And we got 2 #1 picks! out of the deal"
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1/19/2006  2:18 PM
I Marbury as a player. I do... and I'm glad he's a Knick. But when you see the value of NBA economics its pretty clear we got hosed there. Try to find similar trades. Baron Davis was traded for nothing but salary relief. Same with Rasheed Wallace. Mike Finely who was Mr. Maverick was released because the Mavs would save $60mm. The Mavs still owe him crazy cash. It just doesnt add up and this is what I am talking about when I say Isiah overpays.

Marbury is a bigtime player, no doubt but we paid for him 3x what any other team would have. When you think about the cap relief we provided, the nasty contracts we took back and the picks and young players as throw ins you think we would have gotten Shaq or Duncan.
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1/19/2006  2:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I Marbury as a player. I do... and I'm glad he's a Knick. But when you see the value of NBA economics its pretty clear we got hosed there. Try to find similar trades. Baron Davis was traded for nothing but salary relief. Same with Rasheed Wallace. Mike Finely who was Mr. Maverick was released because the Mavs would save $60mm. The Mavs still owe him crazy cash. It just doesnt add up and this is what I am talking about when I say Isiah overpays.

Marbury is a bigtime player, no doubt but we paid for him 3x what any other team would have. When you think about the cap relief we provided, the nasty contracts we took back and the picks and young players as throw ins you think we would have gotten Shaq or Duncan.

your examples may not be the best. For all GS or any other team knew Baron could end up like Q and his back in a second, and then they would be in for $15-17 extra large per for the next 3 years. Wallace was traded for cap fodder by Atlanta and Portland cause both team GMs are dumb. I don't get the Mavs example.

PHO knew what VALUE Marb would have for the Knicks. It's not only player for player and pick for player we are talking here. Marb's financial value to the Knicks was MUCH higher than his value on a PHO team, or any other team for that matter. I think his jersey is like #3 top seller in the league, but only in NYC, otherwise it's probably not top 20 even. And that's why the lopsidedness.

Also, you can say that Dolan pushed Layden into the $100M contract with Houston... could we also not speculate that Dolan pushed Isiah into the Marb deal?
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1/19/2006  2:47 PM
The Knicks have had just the most awful luck with european players.
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1/19/2006  2:49 PM
martin...if we can't make a deal without overpaying, we're better off not making a deal.

patience is not virtuous with isiah.

i'm telling you, we would STILL have at least 4 young players on board if we didn't make the steph deal (our 2004 #1 and 2, our 2005 #1 and 2). and with isiah's drafting skill, they would be 4 solid young players that would be part of the core of this team.

but that's all hindsight.

with that said, we have a lot of young pieces in here right now but i still think they are at AT LEAST 2 years away from really being solid everyday players. frye, curry, crawford - all two years away from being bonafied starters for winning teams. (not to mention nate and lee as backups). if that's the case, then why are we just jerking off with steph now when we know we can't ever blow our load?
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