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notice the past two games crawford sucked and the knicks lost?
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Caseloads
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1/16/2006  3:22 PM
just a suggestion.
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1/16/2006  3:25 PM
You beat me to it, I was just about to post this. He strung together 2 good ones after returning from injury and now hes back to his old self.

We need a reliable 2 guard. He's obviously not it.
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1/16/2006  3:29 PM
calm down ppl....players go through slumps too
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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1/16/2006  3:30 PM
I have to agree. he's too unreliable to be depended on so much. As is Curry & Frye. We need a reliable 6-6/6-7 SG/SF who can hit shots and is an excellent perimeter defender. Gee sounds an awful lot like last year. I'd love to believe Crawford has turned the corner and Nate could stay on guys but it's not happening. Something has to be done or we'll miss the playoffs
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1/16/2006  3:40 PM
These are Crawfords numbers.


You would expect a player to average less in losses, most players do, but this drop off is less than half!! WTF?

this highlights a high degree of inconsistancy, and also how much we need him to perform well in order for us to win.

The fact that he has averaged 11 points in 22 games is very troubling to me. This guy is like the stock market.
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1/16/2006  3:41 PM
but he did have 9 assists so that was kind'a good, but anyway for reasons that may be illogical Im not ready to give up on crawford. I think he would be better of if he played one position the entire game.
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1/16/2006  3:41 PM
craw is a very good 6th man. its a good position for him because if hes going well, he can play big minutes and if hes on one of those 2-14's we can stop it with limited minutes and re-inserting starters.

maybe now that q-rich played a couple of decent games, they should look around the league again. is key to get rid of, hes got to be flushed.
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1/16/2006  3:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

craw is a very good 6th man. its a good position for him because if hes going well, he can play big minutes and if hes on one of those 2-14's we can stop it with limited minutes and re-inserting starters.

maybe now that q-rich played a couple of decent games, they should look around the league again. is key to get rid of, hes got to be flushed.


yeah unfortunately we can't plug in a guy when Craw is off because Q has been worse but hopefully he's turning the corner a bit
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1/16/2006  4:00 PM
The difference in FTAs for Craw in wins and losses is what bothers me the most. He'll have nights when his shot is off but he CANNOT stop attacking the basket. He needs to be draw MORE, not half as many, fouls and getting to the line more when his shot is off. Jamal would be a good sixth man but he won't be the 2nd leading scorer on a winning team.

The Knicks are still a work in progress. The key will be how Isiah and Larry develop Marbury, Frye, and Curry and whom they surround those players with. Lee and Nate are great role players to surround those three with for the long-term. I haven't decided yet if Crawford is as well.
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1/16/2006  4:02 PM
Crawford tried to attack but the defense collapsed. He, nate and steph are not going to be able to draw a foul every time. Thats why we need a reliable shooter
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Posted by gunsnewing:

Crawford tried to attack but the defense collapsed. He, nate and steph are not going to be able to draw a foul every time. Thats why we need a reliable shooter
I'm not talking about this one game; I'm talking about Jamal's whole season. He's gotta attack more, not less, when his shot isn't falling.

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1/16/2006  4:24 PM
maybe now that q-rich played a couple of decent games, they should look around the league again. is key to get rid of, hes got to be flushed.
I don't see trading Q as nearly as high a priority as you do, although I would trade him in the stunning event that we got something decent for him. Q's effort is good, he's playing strong defense, and he's rebounding well. If he keeps this mental approach, then even if he doesn't get his shooting touch back to last year's level, he can be a 15 to 20 mpg bench player on a winning team.
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1/16/2006  5:07 PM
^Bonn, I agree with everything but what he will become if he gets his touch back. He gets his touch back and still grabs 7 boards and plays this bulldog D he is a starter at the 2 guard and in the top 15 in two guards...IF he gets his scoring back and keeps up with the changes he made to his game.
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1/16/2006  5:34 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:


We need a reliable 2 guard. He's obviously not it.

Crawford is not a 2. He never was.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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1/16/2006  6:47 PM
Well Craw has been doing this all season long. When he's good, he's very good, when not well...He may not be a 2 but doesn't make good enough decsions to be a 1 either. Besides, do you think this kind of inconsistency is good if he was our starting point? I don't think it matters what position he plays..this is pretty much how it's gonna be.

We need to find a starting SG. Nate is just too short to have him there. Either Nate or Craw should be traded to the effect of filling the starting SG spot. I like either of them as bench players but bench players but neither of them as starters.
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:


We need a reliable 2 guard. He's obviously not it.

Crawford is not a 2. He never was.
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1/16/2006  7:15 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

calm down ppl....players go through slumps too

Thats not a slump. He is inconsistent. Has always been...
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1/16/2006  8:39 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
maybe now that q-rich played a couple of decent games, they should look around the league again. is key to get rid of, hes got to be flushed.
I don't see trading Q as nearly as high a priority as you do, although I would trade him in the stunning event that we got something decent for him. Q's effort is good, he's playing strong defense, and he's rebounding well. If he keeps this mental approach, then even if he doesn't get his shooting touch back to last year's level, he can be a 15 to 20 mpg bench player on a winning team.

Q rich is a POC. never liked his game and its worse here. Im laughing at the dudes who think he plays good defense. i guess people just want to believe what they want to believe. I hope that the Knicks can get tissue paper for q and an ending contract.
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1/16/2006  9:07 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
maybe now that q-rich played a couple of decent games, they should look around the league again. is key to get rid of, hes got to be flushed.
I don't see trading Q as nearly as high a priority as you do, although I would trade him in the stunning event that we got something decent for him. Q's effort is good, he's playing strong defense, and he's rebounding well. If he keeps this mental approach, then even if he doesn't get his shooting touch back to last year's level, he can be a 15 to 20 mpg bench player on a winning team.

Q rich is a POC. never liked his game and its worse here. Im laughing at the dudes who think he plays good defense. i guess people just want to believe what they want to believe. I hope that the Knicks can get tissue paper for q and an ending contract.


I wasn't able to watch the game until late in the 3rd because Comcast sux, but he was playing great D on Wally. I'm guessing Crawford was on Wally for most of his 28pts

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-16-2006 9:07 PM]
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1/16/2006  9:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
maybe now that q-rich played a couple of decent games, they should look around the league again. is key to get rid of, hes got to be flushed.
I don't see trading Q as nearly as high a priority as you do, although I would trade him in the stunning event that we got something decent for him. Q's effort is good, he's playing strong defense, and he's rebounding well. If he keeps this mental approach, then even if he doesn't get his shooting touch back to last year's level, he can be a 15 to 20 mpg bench player on a winning team.

Q rich is a POC. never liked his game and its worse here. Im laughing at the dudes who think he plays good defense. i guess people just want to believe what they want to believe. I hope that the Knicks can get tissue paper for q and an ending contract.

I agree Briggs. Q was lit up by Jalen Rose the other day, I guess people easily forget about that. Q does nothing for me, he jacks up 3's, thats about it. His back has really hampered his mobility on the court.
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1/16/2006  9:50 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
maybe now that q-rich played a couple of decent games, they should look around the league again. is key to get rid of, hes got to be flushed.
I don't see trading Q as nearly as high a priority as you do, although I would trade him in the stunning event that we got something decent for him. Q's effort is good, he's playing strong defense, and he's rebounding well. If he keeps this mental approach, then even if he doesn't get his shooting touch back to last year's level, he can be a 15 to 20 mpg bench player on a winning team.

Q rich is a POC. never liked his game and its worse here. Im laughing at the dudes who think he plays good defense. i guess people just want to believe what they want to believe. I hope that the Knicks can get tissue paper for q and an ending contract.

I agree Briggs. Q was lit up by Jalen Rose the other day, I guess people easily forget about that. Q does nothing for me, he jacks up 3's, thats about it. His back has really hampered his mobility on the court.


thats true. he has to be more consistent. but maybe Jalen woke him up because he played great D on Wally. What I wanna know is how did Wally wind up with 28? was it Lee, Crawford or Q's fault? When it started watched it was primarily Hudson who was killing Nate who wouldn't play up on him as Q was doing to Wally

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-16-2006 9:51 PM]
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