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djsunyc
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If the knicks were to win a championship, would you care if the roster of the team was developed into a title team or we put together for the purpose of winning a title? what i mean is that would you care if we "purchased" a title by acquiring guys like kg + ray and winning a title (ala the '97 marlins) or if we continued with the young guys we have now and win it that way, even if it means taking a few more years?
purchase a title (with kg, ray, etc.)
develop a title (continue with frye, curry, etc.)
doesn't matter
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Silverfuel
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1/11/2006  2:36 PM
doesnt matter! I want to win. I'll root for a win no matter who is wears orange and blue.
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1/11/2006  2:38 PM
I prefer to develop one. What makes it so gratifying is to watch these guys career blossom and a team to grow together. It also means you probably suffer through some bad years.

It would be nice to do both! Nothing wrong with trading for a star if we can get one on the cheap, like Det did with Sheed.
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1/11/2006  2:50 PM
I like the idea of developing one. It's no fun if you had an all star team demolishing the other teams. Besides, it's been proven that that doesn't work a lot of the times. See the Lakers with Malone, Payton and Shaq and Kobe. The best way is to just make smart trades, get good players who compliment eachother, a couple of stars or a bunch of VERY GOOD players like Detroit. It appears we're going the Detroit way, b/c it seems like the Knicks have all VERY GOOD players with no superstars, unless you want to make that case for Marbury. If these guys continue to screw their heads on and keep on improving their defense, maybe we can be right with Detroit a couple years down the road.
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1/11/2006  2:53 PM
gotta develop. i'll celebrate any championship, but i'll enjoy the entire process of building a winner a lot more.
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1/11/2006  2:58 PM
obviously it would be best to develop one but more often than not it takes drafting a superstar or trading for one to get you over the top. So I voted Doesn't matter. With Larry Brown running the show, developing one is realistic if we can add the right pieces



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-11-2006 3:12 PM]
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1/11/2006  3:08 PM
As long as Isiah is the GM it'll always be just a hypothetical.
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1/11/2006  3:14 PM
I think that as a fan you always love to root for a team that developed from the ground. But the real objective is to win one, and having an allstar team doesn't guarantee you any championship (Lakers, for example?). The best thing would be to have a balanced team playing fundamental basketball. Its always good to develope a player but sometimes its important to deal for a strong player or a star to make the team a real contender.
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1/11/2006  3:22 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

I think that as a fan you always love to root for a team that developed from the ground. But the real objective is to win one, and having an allstar team doesn't guarantee you any championship (Lakers, for example?).

I love how 1 year in some fans minds has erased the back-to-back-back titles Shaq and Kobe won.

Tim Duncan proved last year the need for a superstar in game 7. He put those guys on his back and gave one of the most memorable individual game 7 performances. That was a slugfest in the paint with Wallace&Wallace and he repeatedly hit big shot after big shot and grabbed contested rebound after contested rebound over the last quarter and a half.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 3:23 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 3:24 PM]
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1/11/2006  3:27 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Knicksfan:

I think that as a fan you always love to root for a team that developed from the ground. But the real objective is to win one, and having an allstar team doesn't guarantee you any championship (Lakers, for example?).

I love how 1 year in some fans minds has erased the back-to-back-back titles Shaq and Kobe won.

Tim Duncan proved last year the need for a superstar in game 7. He put those guys on his back and gave one of the most memorable individual game 7 performances. That was a slugfest in the paint with Wallace&Wallace and he repeatedly hit big shot after big shot and grabbed contested rebound after contested rebound over the last quarter and a half.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 3:23 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 3:24 PM]


This is a first, I totally agree with you. You def need a superstar to win big in this league. When the offense is stalling, you need someone who can carry you for stretches.
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1/11/2006  3:29 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Knicksfan:

I think that as a fan you always love to root for a team that developed from the ground. But the real objective is to win one, and having an allstar team doesn't guarantee you any championship (Lakers, for example?).

I love how 1 year in some fans minds has erased the back-to-back-back titles Shaq and Kobe won.

Tim Duncan proved last year the need for a superstar in game 7. He put those guys on his back and gave one of the most memorable individual game 7 performances. That was a slugfest in the paint with Wallace&Wallace and he repeatedly hit big shot after big shot and grabbed contested rebound after contested rebound over the last quarter and a half.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 3:23 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 3:24 PM]


This is a first, I totally agree with you. You def need a superstar to win big in this league. When the offense is stalling, you need someone who can carry you for stretches.
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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1/11/2006  3:32 PM
I hit Purchase a Title but I meant to hit Doesn't Matter Yeah, I'm an idiot. But anyways.. I don't care how the Knicks win one, I'll be hoenst, I'd rather see it developed but it doesnt really matter to me. JUST WIN BABY!
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1/11/2006  3:45 PM
if its developed, there is probably a greater chance of a repeat than if its a one off bought roster that breaks down after.

but, way to hypothetical...
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1/11/2006  3:47 PM
Superstars help, but you need a whole balanced team to win a championship. The Lakers had many good role players and their team was very balanced when they won championships. The year they went the whole "superstar" route a balanced team defeat them. The Spurs have a superstar, but they won because of how deep the team was, and is. Look at the Mavs, they haven't won a championship yet but they could be very close this season because they have a balanced team. Dirk is their star, yeah, but without the right cast you can't go the whole way...
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1/11/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by franco12:

if its developed, there is probably a greater chance of a repeat than if its a one off bought roster that breaks down after.
The way I looked at it: If you buy it one year, you can keep buying it. Obviously that system has issues but I think it comes with the territory. Just like developing talent could be lost to free angency, nothing is absolute.
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1/11/2006  3:48 PM
how do you buy a championship in the nba anyway when there is a cap and you can't. Unless by buying you mean signing an over the hill Malone & Payton for 1yr but I don't think anyone wants that
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1/11/2006  4:12 PM
if you can trade for KG you do it, even if it means giving up Frye.

22pts-11reb-5assts-1.5 blks-1.5 stls.

Seattle could keep Ray Allen.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 4:12 PM]
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1/11/2006  4:15 PM
Posted by McK1:

if you can trade for KG you do it, even if it means giving up Frye.

22pts-11reb-5assts-1.5 blks-1.5 stls.

Seattle could keep Ray Allen.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 4:12 PM]

Like the T-Wolves have won so many championships with KG, right. You can trade for a superstar but that doesn't guarantee you any championship. The NBA isn't like the MLB and even in baseball you can't buy championships, as the Yankees have shown...
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1/11/2006  4:27 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by McK1:

if you can trade for KG you do it, even if it means giving up Frye.

22pts-11reb-5assts-1.5 blks-1.5 stls.

Seattle could keep Ray Allen.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-11-2006 4:12 PM]

Like the T-Wolves have won so many championships with KG, right. You can trade for a superstar but that doesn't guarantee you any championship. The NBA isn't like the MLB and even in baseball you can't buy championships, as the Yankees have shown...

Steph's jealousy of KG, Terrel Brandon's knee, the Joe Smith fiasco, Sam getting hurt in the semis, Spree's kids...ie hard to overcome setbacks in a loaded Western Conference.

a frontline of KG Lee Mo Taylor Curry with Stat Craw and Nate at guard and Larry Brown as coach should be enough to get it done.
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1/11/2006  4:44 PM
I'd rather it take a few years.

The journey is always better than the destination. Yankees 1995-2000 was a blast. Giant two bowls with parcells was a blast. 4 year Islander fun was a blast.

The process if evolving can be painful is more sweeter when it all comes together. There are but a handful of teams that have done it. The Celts of course did it three times, with Russell and co, Cowens and co, and Bird and co. Lakers with West/Wilt and with show time bother were long runs. Knicks with Reed was 1968-1974, a 6 year run that yielded 2 titles. Anyone think the 1975 warriors were great? 78 bullets? One time wonders! Nice year, not a run.

I want a run. I want a winning culture that each year we can have a hope.

Starphuch a title, no thanks.

Can't buy me love.
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1/11/2006  4:48 PM
1 thing about those teams, they had the coach in place. How long do we have Brown?
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