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djsunyc
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1/1/2006  4:28 PM
can't really dispute it too much tho:

Nothing to toast at Garden
By FRANK ISOLA

The marriage between Stephon Marbury and Larry Brown is working about as well as most of Isiah Thomas' moves.

James Dolan's resolution for 2006 should be to not believe anything Steve Mills, Isiah Thomas and Larry Brown say or do. At least until the Knicks are a .500 team again.

Sooner or later, Dolan, the Garden chairman, is going to blame someone for the Knicks' disastrous season and he doesn't need to look any further than the three men responsible for this mess.

If Mills, the Garden president, can magically appear for every press conference photo op, he should have to answer for the Knicks' worst start in 20 years. Or does anyone believe that Dave Checketts wouldn't be held accountable for a 7-21 record?

Ernie Grunfeld was fired for putting together a team that reached the 1999 NBA Finals.

Don Nelson was fired with a 34-25 record and Jeff Van Gundy had his head in a noose on one back page following a 7-9 start.

Of course, those were the days when the Knicks actually mattered and excellence wasn't just a buzzword executives used to impress the media. Thomas, the Knicks' president, talks championship all the time and then make moves that undermine the process.

Dolan should begin his next conversation with Thomas by asking: "Remind me again, what were you thinking when you signed Jerome James?"

Thomas was conspicuously missing from the Knicks' recent two-game road trip that resulted in the Brown-Stephon Marbury soap opera reaching new levels of absurdity. The official word is that Thomas was scouting college games. That's nice, considering that Chicago owns the Knicks' 2006 first-round pick as part of the Eddy Curry deal. So now we know what Thomas means by rebuilding: he's restocking the hated Bulls.

Thomas is avoiding the Brown-Marbury feud because it's a no-win situation. He couldn't trade Marbury if wanted to and since he's already canned Don Chaney and Lenny Wilkens, Thomas is not going to get the chance to throw Brown under a bus.

But Thomas realizes that Marbury, his signature trade, is putting him in a compromising position. Marbury once said that the Knicks would never win a championship with Charlie Ward as their point guard, and he was right. But at least they got to the Finals and won plenty of playoff games along the way. Marbury has produced zero postseason wins and plenty of angst.

And for all those Marbury apologists who love to make the excuse that he's never had enough talent around him, what is their excuse now? The Phoenix Suns, who visit the Garden tomorrow, lost three starters from last year's 62-win team. Quentin Richardson and Joe Johnson were traded and Amare Stoudemire, one of the league's top five players, had knee surgery.

Yet Phoenix is 18-10 with a starting lineup of Boris Diaw, Shawn Marion, Kurt Thomas and Raja Bell. That's the impact that a player that is as gifted, as motivated and as well-liked among his teammates as Steve Nash is can make.

The Knicks have played 81 games since Marbury called himself the league's best point guard. They've gone 24-57 since that infamous comment. The way Marbury's going, the Garden may have no other choice but to retire Ward's jersey.

As for Brown, Brooklyn-born and Hamptons-tanned, he hasn't lived up to the advance billing as a savior. He was right to call out Marbury for his defiant behavior in Orlando, but he's wrong to keep fooling with the rotation. He's being paid a lot of money to make tough decisions. Start making them.

But if Thomas, Marbury and Mills all received an extended honeymoon, Brown deserves the benefit of the doubt for now. And despite his maniacal, diabolical ways, Brown has something Mills, Thomas and Marbury don't: a proven track record.

If Dolan is going to break his New Year's resolution for anyone, it should be for his head coach and no one else.

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1/1/2006  5:10 PM
And for all those Marbury apologists who love to make the excuse that he's never had enough talent around him

Isola must read killa's posts

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1/1/2006  5:16 PM
right now there is a simple deduction--no mistakes and try to get rid of some at any opportunity.

If a team offers a player thats all-star caliber in a money drop off--no brainer--if that player isnt at the level of impact--nope--unless the player is super-duper--dont take extra money from another contract. IMPACT player only.
if nothing comes, we can put tremendous effort into scouting this draft and I believe we can work a deal where we can a second pick by using money saved by the expiring contracts iF they are not used

I believe the nucleus is

C-Curry
F Frye
SF-o
SG-0
PG Marbury
6th man Crawford
back up spark plug Nate
F Taylor--will have to be replaced or evaluated for a much cheaper extension
F Lee

aftre that its crap or indifferent/being evaluated.

Our needs are obvious
big man who can defend block shots rebound with size
full size starting caliber 2+3
back up pass first PG

so Im looking at 4 guys with the real possibility taylor is a goner after his 9mm plus expire--id like to stay young because our guys are young

its ok to say what ifs this and that about the lottery pick, but this is reality and its not bad. Weere not there--we need full sized guards 2-3s who can be a first line of defense--then another long player who has intensity who can block shots play tough post D run and rebound. We dont need another scorer there. Its also insurance in case a big like curry gets hurt, so we are not down for a number of games.
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1/1/2006  5:54 PM
I believe the nucleus is

C-Curry
F Frye
SF-o
SG-0
PG Marbury

That's good because SG and SF are the two easiest positions to fill holes in. Teams with players with no upside at PF/C are the ones stuck where they are.
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1/1/2006  6:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
I believe the nucleus is

C-Curry
F Frye
SF-o
SG-0
PG Marbury

That's good because SG and SF are the two easiest positions to fill holes in. Teams with players with no upside at PF/C are the ones stuck where they are.

thats why NY has had 3 off-guards and 0 threes worthy of note in the last 15 years.
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1/1/2006  6:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

And for all those Marbury apologists who love to make the excuse that he's never had enough talent around him, what is their excuse now?

I thought that question was already answered pretty convincingly in Athens in '04.
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1/1/2006  6:14 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

And for all those Marbury apologists who love to make the excuse that he's never had enough talent around him, what is their excuse now?

I thought that question was already answered pretty convincingly in Athens in '04.

the real question is why did lb take this job? i's pretty obvious that he's not catering to marbury. was it the money? or were there assurances made if it doesn't work out with steph?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-01-2006 6:14 PM]
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1/1/2006  6:30 PM
even better conspiracy question

why did isiah seek to hire LB, knowing before-hand that he and Steph were oil and water

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-01-2006 6:31 PM]
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1/1/2006  6:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


the real question is why did lb take this job? i's pretty obvious that he's not catering to marbury. was it the money? or were there assurances made if it doesn't work out with steph?

Because LB isn't Phil, he doesn't come in to coax good teams over the top, he comes to to give them a foothold at the bottom. Popavich says LB gets turned on by the flaws, so he can fix them. He's like an interior painter who loves the taping and spackling prep work. Phil likes to leave that to his day laborers and he gives the finishing coat. Phil needs to take a good team to the finals to call it a success, Larry takes bad teams to the playoffs.

Larry is gonna do what Larry does whoever is here. To those who will listen, he will teach. To those who will not, he will bench, fine or trade. Steph is not an impediment to Larry - Larry is an impediment to Steph; cause Steph wants control and he ain't getting it.
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1/1/2006  6:46 PM
Posted by McK1:

even better conspiracy question

why did isiah seek to hire LB, knowing before-hand that he and Steph were oil and water

i think in a summer where BOTH phil AND lb were available, for isiah not to walk away with one of them would be an absolute FAILURE and a black mark against isiah. the funny thing is, with the way things look now, and if the team panics, then hiring LB may cost isiah his job.

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1/1/2006  6:58 PM
Since very few saw this bad start coming, I would suspect very few will see why this is happening, and even fewer will see it evolving.

The masses rarely get it right.

Whats wrong is plainly obvious, but many have forgotten why it is happening.

The media reports what happens. The fans want to see wins.

Isles enjoys this more than he will success.

Isiah and larry both said it would be ugly months ago. Maybe not this ugly, but it happens. Blowing it up now would keep setting it back even further. We blew it up NY style.
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1/1/2006  7:33 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

And for all those Marbury apologists who love to make the excuse that he's never had enough talent around him, what is their excuse now?

I thought that question was already answered pretty convincingly in Athens in '04.

You know that is all fine and dandy. But if Larry brown is such a genious then why did he bench lebron, wade, carmelo and amare?
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1/1/2006  7:52 PM
My post just got lost. Wtf.

Anyway what it said was I agree with everything isola said. He spoke like he cut and pasted aome of our posts!

I want a check!
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1/1/2006  10:38 PM
Isola must be reading the posts on this site. He has it dead on. For those who didn't want to give Nash the MVP, how do you like him now? He keeps on winning even with the mediocrity he is forced to play with this season. Steph ain't Nash, sorry Marbs apologists. Amare's not playing and what is Phoenix's record? Uh huh. Thought so. LB start earning your money. New year, let's get moving Knickerbockers. This season ain't dead yet.
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1/1/2006  11:08 PM
isola's opening comments:
James Dolan's resolution for 2006should be to not believe anything Steve Mills, Isiah Thomas and Larry Brown say or do. At least until the Knicks are a .500 team again

......and frank's ending comments
If Dolan is going to break his New Year's resolution for anyone, it should be for his head coach and no one else.

just come out and say larry deserves a free pass for 1 year before he's thrown under the bus
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1/1/2006  11:43 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

And for all those Marbury apologists who love to make the excuse that he's never had enough talent around him, what is their excuse now?

I thought that question was already answered pretty convincingly in Athens in '04.

You know that is all fine and dandy. But if Larry brown is such a genious then why did he bench lebron, wade, carmelo and amare?

Forget Carmelo, although what I'm going to say next includes him, even if it didn't, he was acting and playing like a b*tch.

The other guys were just too inexperienced and/or defensively weak for Brown's taste. I mean Bron and Wade got time and did pretty well with it. But it's not like these guys were benched for scrubs. Marbury, Iverson, Jefferson, Boozer, Marion, Odom, Duncan, et al, should be sufficient experience and firepower, no?

Is the key to our losses really that rookies and highschoolers didn't get enough PT? They were brought there as a favor for exposure, not to take over for the "dream" veterans.
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1/2/2006  12:09 AM
DJ I notice you didn't post any articles from yesterday, but you posted this one. I wonder why?
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1/2/2006  1:08 AM
It must be all an imperialistic/capitalist conspiracy aimed at discrediting the proletariat leader and class fighter Comrade Marbury, something Comrade Killa simply will not stand for lol.

P.S.
I'm just messing with ya Killa, not trying to bust on you or anything, I just find it funny as somebody who hails from one of the parts of the former Soviet Union that there are still people in the world willing to try communimsm.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/2/2006  2:03 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
I believe the nucleus is

C-Curry
F Frye
SF-o
SG-0
PG Marbury

That's good because SG and SF are the two easiest positions to fill holes in. Teams with players with no upside at PF/C are the ones stuck where they are.

thats why NY has had 3 off-guards and 0 threes worthy of note in the last 15 years.

yea, LJ, Mason and Spree all su cked at the 3.....................

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1/2/2006  2:04 AM
You guys are just as bad as Isiah.

You fall in love with scorers.

Our problems is complicated....believe me...but I think it's pretty obvious that defense wins games. Period.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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