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King1
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12/31/2005  5:16 PM
I am going to get blown upfor this, but Lee has a lot of potential at the three. He has played the three exactly 3 months of his life. Last night he got 12 rebounds and after the first quater played good defense on Simmons. If you play him 25-30 minutes a night your getting 10 rebounds and with running the floor and junk baskets 6 points lets say this year. Your telling me working the rest of the year and the summer that next year he cant average 10 points and 10 boards for the Knicks. He plays hard defense and learns quick. This team has scorers it need unselfish players also and David is one of them. You have to develop the young guys and see if they can do it but saying he cant play the three after him learning and guarding a position he has never played isnt fair to him
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12/31/2005  5:24 PM
lee is a HIGH IQ player. did you guys see that quick pass back to AD when he took the jumper? i have no problems trying to make him a 3. he almost makes up for frye's lack of rebounding prowess for the time being. you start lee, fry, and curry and you have a LONG and TALL front line with some beef in curry.
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12/31/2005  5:24 PM
He can't shoot, but he makes smart plays and can excell in uptempo game. I think if we played more uptempo Ariza, Lee, Frye, Crawford, Taylor would all look like better players for it. We pushed the ball a little more last game I liked what I saw early.

I think Taylor should start over Davis to. He has worked hard all season. And he has shown a lot of effort when he plays and takes a lot of charges.
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12/31/2005  5:26 PM
yes, I agree, Lee is learning a new position and will make mistakes but this is part of the developmental process of giving him and the other kids more PT.
Lee does need to gain more confidence in his jump shot, but his hustle and unselfish play is
what I love about him, Lee will be a good player, maybe not a starter, but definitely a good role player, which is not a bad thing like someone else thinks it is.
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12/31/2005  5:30 PM
Yes to starting Mo Taylor at the four. Lee at the three.

Add a dash of Eddy Curry and you have a frontcourt capable of inside scoring and decent rebounding.

Bring Frye as sixth man.

Crawford gets next as a combo guard who can advance the rock.

Then bring Antonio Davis to get Frye's back in a scuffle

Don't forget Qyntel or my main man Jackie Butler

Send Trevor to the Dev League to learn the point position

Book it Dano.
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12/31/2005  5:44 PM
I wouldnt put the S next to the F, I would just say F. We could use Morrison at the 3 and Lee could be a brought along as a 3-4-5 cog for the future.

Biggest problem with da knicks right now first line of defense is poor and second line of defense is not much better, outside shooting ranks dead last in the league--to many rich guys who dont play hard enough. I do appreciate the way lee plays/runs and he is exciting as a finisher/rebounder. Bobby Simmons is a marginal player. Its guys like Grant Hill, Lebron James T Mac that would foul him out quick and really outscore the position if he was full time 3.
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12/31/2005  5:50 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

He can't shoot, but he makes smart plays and can excell in uptempo game. I think if we played more uptempo Ariza, Lee, Frye, Crawford, Taylor would all look like better players for it. We pushed the ball a little more last game I liked what I saw early.

I think Taylor should start over Davis to. He has worked hard all season. And he has shown a lot of effort when he plays and takes a lot of charges.


Ill give Mo taylor some credit, because he has played hard and has played well when he gets his chances. I dont like Curry and Taylor together,but they could try it. I think you have poor defense and rebounding there, especailly if they have 5-7 nate and 6-1 marbury upfront
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12/31/2005  5:56 PM
Nate rebounds well even though he's short. If he gets starters minutes, I bet he rebounds as well as most SGs and maybe some SFs. (Maybe 4 per game.) Taylor's defense cannot be worse than AD's. AD has no lateral speed. Neither does Curry because he's 15 pounds overweight and playing on only one healthy leg.
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12/31/2005  6:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Nate rebounds well even though he's short. If he gets starters minutes, I bet he rebounds as well as most SGs and maybe some SFs. (Maybe 4 per game.) Taylor's defense cannot be worse than AD's. AD has no lateral speed. Neither does Curry because he's 15 pounds overweight and playing on only one healthy leg.

Nate is a great rebounder, he really is a mini dwayne wade, but guys in the nba can shoot over him like they are taking target practice--look at mo williams last night. i always thought of him as a spark plug player that we could pick at 30, someone who could come in and spark the the team with hustle and toughness.
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12/31/2005  6:11 PM
I agree Lee should be a 20 minutes a game and play the 3/4 but he should get minutes before Rose and he will pass Ariza by the end of the year. I think the Knicks need a defensive stopper at the one or two first. Briggs is right that our guards defense is horrendous Williams and Redd had 52 points last night and every guard has a career night agains tthe Knicks. Brown will get a defensive stopper.
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12/31/2005  6:16 PM
Posted by King1:

I agree Lee should be a 20 minutes a game and play the 3/4 but he should get minutes before Rose and he will pass Ariza by the end of the year. I think the Knicks need a defensive stopper at the one or two first. Briggs is right that our guards defense is horrendous Williams and Redd had 52 points last night and every guard has a career night agains tthe Knicks. Brown will get a defensive stopper.

we could use ron artest nearly more than anyone in the league but its not happening. if we could play ron at 2 , what a frikin difference maker he would be.
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12/31/2005  6:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Yes to starting Mo Taylor at the four. Lee at the three.

Add a dash of Eddy Curry and you have a frontcourt capable of inside scoring and decent rebounding.

Bring Frye as sixth man.

Crawford gets next as a combo guard who can advance the rock.

Then bring Antonio Davis to get Frye's back in a scuffle

Don't forget Qyntel or my main man Jackie Butler

Send Trevor to the Dev League to learn the point position

Book it Dano.

Trevor Ariza playing the point, are you serious?

With Lee playing the three, he eeds to take advantage of his size and take smaller SF's into the paint. he's pretty crafty in the paint with spin moves and can finish with either hand. Doesn't shoot well, at all but he does move the ball well when he's at the top of the key

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12/31/2005  7:17 PM
Lee is a four.

He can get spot minutes in a big line-up but trying to make square pegs fit in a round holes is just the type of mismanagement that continues to plague this franchise.

You can still run the O through him at times from the highpost.
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1/1/2006  2:25 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I wouldnt put the S next to the F, I would just say F. We could use Morrison at the 3 and Lee could be a brought along as a 3-4-5 cog for the future.

Biggest problem with da knicks right now first line of defense is poor and second line of defense is not much better, outside shooting ranks dead last in the league--to many rich guys who dont play hard enough. I do appreciate the way lee plays/runs and he is exciting as a finisher/rebounder. Bobby Simmons is a marginal player. Its guys like Grant Hill, Lebron James T Mac that would foul him out quick and really outscore the position if he was full time 3.


who plays center? Jerome?

Your lamenting again.

No center in this draft.

If we had the pick you'd be harping on some 4 year center project.
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1/1/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I wouldnt put the S next to the F, I would just say F. We could use Morrison at the 3 and Lee could be a brought along as a 3-4-5 cog for the future.

Biggest problem with da knicks right now first line of defense is poor and second line of defense is not much better, outside shooting ranks dead last in the league--to many rich guys who dont play hard enough. I do appreciate the way lee plays/runs and he is exciting as a finisher/rebounder. Bobby Simmons is a marginal player. Its guys like Grant Hill, Lebron James T Mac that would foul him out quick and really outscore the position if he was full time 3.


who plays center? Jerome?

Your lamenting again.

No center in this draft.

If we had the pick you'd be harping on some 4 year center project.



I think Lee can play a pseudo 3-4-5--I like the fact we are giving him significant PT and maybe there can be some synergy at some point with Frye as an outside shooting 4 and lee playing a pseudo F. I understand we have Curry and the pick[s] is gone--its really to bad for Knick fans it didnt have even minimal top 5 protection on it because we couldve added an impact player for cheap which we desperatly need. It wouldve ben nice to have both shouldve had both, but well go with what is.
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1/1/2006  4:29 PM
I've been saying Lee should start at the 3 since training camp.
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1/1/2006  6:27 PM
- It seems we have a lot of people that want to settle on a rotation
a lot of people that want to try everyone in every role
a lot of people in both these groups.

- We can try Lee at SF. I suspect he'll have a lot of trouble on D.
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1/1/2006  6:48 PM
He hasnt been embarrassed yet and he will learn the guards dont guard anyone at anytime
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1/1/2006  8:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Nate rebounds well even though he's short. If he gets starters minutes, I bet he rebounds as well as most SGs and maybe some SFs. (Maybe 4 per game.) Taylor's defense cannot be worse than AD's. AD has no lateral speed. Neither does Curry because he's 15 pounds overweight and playing on only one healthy leg.

Nate is a great rebounder, he really is a mini dwayne wade, but guys in the nba can shoot over him like they are taking target practice--look at mo williams last night. i always thought of him as a spark plug player that we could pick at 30, someone who could come in and spark the the team with hustle and toughness.

Nate might be a mini wade in some areas but his passing and bball IQ are nothing like Wade's. You're right that opponents can shoot over him but he still brings so many positives that I would start him with Marbury like Larry is doing. The best role for him would be coming off the bench playing behind two very good gaurds though.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-01-2006 8:40 PM]
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1/2/2006  7:57 PM
Thank God this kid is finally in the regular rotation, hopefully to stay, mistakes and all (as I'm typing this I'm listening to him speak with Trautwig on the pre-game). I've been screaming about it for weeks...
However, I really don't see him as a 3. He was playing the 5 early on for Billy Donovan @ Florida and his natural position in the NBA is the 4. I think he brings more to the table as a 4 than as a 3. On offensive, his back-to-the-basket game (scores with both hands at the tin, he's quicker than most 4s - he can take big guys off the dribble, etc.) is much more advanced than his mid-range game (his J needs work, etc.) and on defense, he is more suited guarding other 4s than 3s - we're gonna see that tonight against the Matrix. He's a tremendous athlete, defensive-minded and quick but not quick enough to cover the smaller/quicker 3s in the league like a Shawn Marion (actually Marion does have a little bit of size to him, but you know what I mean). Maybe against a guy like a Keith Van Horn they can get away with it, but he'll be exposed starting against smaller 6'6"-6'8" types. Plus, I think we might lose a little bit of his rebounding on the defensive glass while he's on the perimeter trying to chase down these smaller guys - he's arguably our best rebounder, we need him playing closer to the basket. I for one would like to see him go in the other direction and put on a few more pounds of muscle, while not losing his natural quickness - that would suit him best in developing his game imo. But at least HE'S PLAYING and that's the first step...
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