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islesfan
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12/29/2005  10:32 AM
That some of you are so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and seemingly your undying loyalty and unending patience?

I don't quite remember as many people saying "Oh well, whats done is done", "Just give him a few years to see how things turn out" or "It's only his 3rd year, he needs at least 2-3 more to see how his moves turn out" when it came to Layden or any other GM that the Knicks have had. Why is Isiah different? Why does he get such a long leash?

Brown at the very least has a track record that is filled with successes and some of you are more than willing to blame/fire him after 20+ games but Isiah, with his track record of never having built a playoff team, gets years before we can judge him??? That doesn't make any sense.

I'm being very serious and I'd really like for someone to explain it to me. Thanks.
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12/29/2005  10:37 AM
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12/29/2005  10:38 AM
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12/29/2005  10:39 AM
It was going to take years to fix the team Isiah inherited, there was no quick fix. You may not like the team right now but neither does LB or Isiah--if the guys they bring in don't perform they will be moved unlike teams of the past where we just stuck with mediocrity.
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12/29/2005  10:40 AM
He drafts real well and talks a good game. Name too. Everyone has got to start somewhere.
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12/29/2005  10:41 AM
If you're asking what Isiah has done as an executive before why not mention Camby and McGrady? What did Theo Epstein do as an executive before the Sox became a World Series team?
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12/29/2005  10:42 AM
Isiah does draft well. Frye, Nate and Lee can all play. Ariza most people love, I think he is ok. He at least makes things happen, he works the phone and makes moves. I don't like the James and Q moves. I do think he needed to get a name brand and did so with Marbury, love him or hate him. Did he need to take the Hardaway contract with it? Don't know.
The KVH for TT and Nazr move was a wash I think. Probably should have kept Nazr. Eddy Curry will prove out down the road probably, but shouldn't have traded TT. Should have given them Penny. Don't know if he should have hired LB. Doesn't fit personnel. Once again, went after a name like he did when getting Marbury. Westphal would have fit better.
Who else? Nazr for Malik I didn't like. Also didn't think we needed Mo Taylor.
I think he is hovering around a C or C- now. Could get worse.
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12/29/2005  10:43 AM
^LB is not just a "name" like Marbury.
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12/29/2005  10:46 AM
So far he is all name in NY. He has won here as much as Marbury. Very little.
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12/29/2005  10:46 AM
Posted by Knight:

It was going to take years to fix the team Isiah inherited, there was no quick fix. You may not like the team right now but neither does LB or Isiah--if the guys they bring in don't perform they will be moved unlike teams of the past where we just stuck with mediocrity.

Is the team we currently have really much better than the bad teams we've had in the past?

If these players continue to be as bad as they have been, what kind of players do you think that we can replace them with where we won't be stuck with mediocrity?
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12/29/2005  10:53 AM
Posted by Knight:

If you're asking what Isiah has done as an executive before why not mention Camby and McGrady? What did Theo Epstein do as an executive before the Sox became a World Series team?

Isiah already had a track record unlike Theo. Plus Theo won right away. And I'm pretty sure that if Theo had had the kind of success, or lack thereof, that Isiah has had here people in Boston wouldn't have been so forgiving.
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12/29/2005  11:20 AM
Isiah sucks. He brought the CBA down and you can see why if you look at the way Isiah invests Dolan's money.

Considering his strength being drafting talent, Isiah should not have made the Marbury deal and let Dyess' contract expire or trade him for picks. His focus should've been trimming payroll & removing useless vets while acquiring youth thru drafts. We probably sucked big time for the past 2 yrs, but at least we'd possibly be in a situation where we have a true young superstar in the making surrounded by decent players, and being able to sign good FA or two. I know it's spilled milk, but other than having good drafts, Isiah gets an F in my book.
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12/29/2005  11:35 AM
^Yeah, the CBA was awesome! I miss the CBA so much, so many great memories, such history, I can't believe Isiah brought the CBA down.
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12/29/2005  11:38 AM
Posted by Knight:

If you're asking what Isiah has done as an executive before why not mention Camby and McGrady? What did Theo Epstein do as an executive before the Sox became a World Series team?

come on now, all theo did was get Schilling; dan duquette built that red sox team.
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12/29/2005  11:39 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Knight:

If you're asking what Isiah has done as an executive before why not mention Camby and McGrady? What did Theo Epstein do as an executive before the Sox became a World Series team?

Isiah already had a track record unlike Theo. Plus Theo won right away. And I'm pretty sure that if Theo had had the kind of success, or lack thereof, that Isiah has had here people in Boston wouldn't have been so forgiving.

thats true, see Dan Duquette. he turned that team around to be a winning team, but the fans booed him out of there.
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12/29/2005  11:47 AM
Aside from bashing Isiah, and you know I appreciate that, I'd still like to know why he gets as much slack as he does from people especially considering that LB seems to get none despite his vastly superior track record.
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12/29/2005  11:48 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Aside from bashing Isiah, and you know I appreciate that, I'd still like to know why he gets as much slack as he does from people especially considering that LB seems to get none despite his vastly superior track record.

i'm giving them both as much slack as they need, i believe in both of them, and also believe in the direction we are going.
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12/29/2005  11:48 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Aside from bashing Isiah, and you know I appreciate that, I'd still like to know why he gets as much slack as he does from people especially considering that LB seems to get none despite his vastly superior track record.

Because he came to this team late and has only coached 27 games with players he inherited and none he chose and most he would never want on his team.

[Edited by - Knight on 12-29-2005 11:49 AM]
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12/29/2005  11:50 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:

Aside from bashing Isiah, and you know I appreciate that, I'd still like to know why he gets as much slack as he does from people especially considering that LB seems to get none despite his vastly superior track record.

i'm giving them both as much slack as they need, i believe in both of them, and also believe in the direction we are going.


That's fine but were you the same way with Layden and every other GM?
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12/29/2005  11:52 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by islesfan:

Aside from bashing Isiah, and you know I appreciate that, I'd still like to know why he gets as much slack as he does from people especially considering that LB seems to get none despite his vastly superior track record.

Because he came to this team late and has only coached 27 games with players he inherited and none he chose and most he would never want on his team.

[Edited by - Knight on 12-29-2005 11:49 AM]

I agree completely but that's why LB should get slack. He's earned it. Why does Isiah deserve even more slack than LB is afforded?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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