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BRIGGS
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12/25/2005  10:06 AM
the way i look at it, were up against the gun

we do have most of the ingredients that can be a conduit to a deal

two young promising players Lee and Ariza
the ability to take on a contract with an ending contract

this is a case wher i would go for it if its possible

if the pacers got
Lee A Davis and Ariza for
Artest Johnson and they would likely make us take bender or croshere

they get cap relief two young promising players and A davis wgho can help them now

knicks get a stud SF who is an nba impact player at reasonable $$$ a solid back up vet PG and possibly croshere who could help the teams 3 pt shooting toughness and boards.

if ron artest goes bonkers--his salary is done with and croshere is gone after this year as a worst case scenario

best case is Ron plays like an NBA superstar and the other guys play important niche positions and we change the entire season around.

I think for Ron Artest, I take the risk.
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12/25/2005  10:19 AM
for me, either Lee or Ariza but not both.
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12/25/2005  10:50 AM
I'll take Ron too - this team can't get any worse, seriously. We're as bad as ATL and TOR. Ariza is over-valued because we got him in the second round. Seriously, he is young, but still. He has ZERO handle and ZERO shot. We have Q2 now who can take Ariza's place. And D-Lee would never reach Artest's status! Furthermore, I would give them penny instead of AD. If they want AD, they give us a future 1st rounder (also to hedge against Artest going Nut-so).

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12/25/2005  12:21 PM
Fred Jones and Anthony Johnson.



[Edited by - McK1 on 12-25-2005 12:22 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/25/2005  12:53 PM
Does it reall matter who we get?, the question should be, will LB let them play their game???
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12/25/2005  1:29 PM
LB encourages defensive minded players to make a name for themselves.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/25/2005  2:03 PM
I would trade Ariza in a heartbeat for Artest.
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12/25/2005  2:20 PM
I gotta think that this would almost 100% be a Brown decision. The knicks don't have team leadership from their players yet. Brown would be the only guy who could really put a system in place that Artest could live within.
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12/25/2005  2:45 PM
No, we don't need to trade Lee and Ariza for Artest. Constant panic and itching and moaning. It makes me not even want to post here because it gets just downright monotnous.

Briggs I know you've begged countless times for a rebuild and here we are with atleast 7 solid younguns (Ariza, Lee, Frye, Jackie Blue, Nate and Curry) and you wanna ditch two of them before we make it through half a year hardly. Truthfully, I don't think you're capable of taking the beatdown that everyone in their right mind knew was going to happen during a Rebuild. Folks up here can't stop themselves from honking the car horn eventhough there's 20 cars bumper to bumper in front of them in transit strike traffic.

If you wanna analyze the kids play or playing time...fine. If you wanna debate the merits of LB's system and substitution patterns...fine. If you wanna discuss trades that's even fine...it just get's tedious when it's obvious that Indiana isn't being offered nearly what you put forward from other teams. All Isiah has to do is sit tight and he will fall to us. JUST CHILL OUT...and enjoy the Christmas season. Go have some turkey and an egg nog...hell walk under some missletoe and get some tongue action with your main squeeze. Just stop turning everything into something it's not.

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12/25/2005  3:12 PM
Any talks of trading for Artest has to began with Frye. you guys are kidding yourselves if you think werr getting a top 15 player for Lee (30th pick in the draft) Ariza (second round pick is a career role player and probable bench warmer on a really good team)

I know know one wants to part with any of the young players, but you have to give to get. Artest is only 26. His prime years are still ahead of him. Plus, Artest is the perfect player for NY. he's the type of player Isiah was whinning about in the papers. Tough minded, gritty, blue collar.... It's tough, I don;t wanna give up on frye but, Artest is a rare talent
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12/25/2005  3:51 PM
if it takes frye its obviously not a good move, but anything else and its a go.
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12/25/2005  6:35 PM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

No, we don't need to trade Lee and Ariza for Artest. Constant panic and itching and moaning. It makes me not even want to post here because it gets just downright monotnous.

Briggs I know you've begged countless times for a rebuild and here we are with atleast 7 solid younguns (Ariza, Lee, Frye, Jackie Blue, Nate and Curry) and you wanna ditch two of them before we make it through half a year hardly. Truthfully, I don't think you're capable of taking the beatdown that everyone in their right mind knew was going to happen during a Rebuild. Folks up here can't stop themselves from honking the car horn eventhough there's 20 cars bumper to bumper in front of them in transit strike traffic.

If you wanna analyze the kids play or playing time...fine. If you wanna debate the merits of LB's system and substitution patterns...fine. If you wanna discuss trades that's even fine...it just get's tedious when it's obvious that Indiana isn't being offered nearly what you put forward from other teams. All Isiah has to do is sit tight and he will fall to us. JUST CHILL OUT...and enjoy the Christmas season. Go have some turkey and an egg nog...hell walk under some missletoe and get some tongue action with your main squeeze. Just stop turning everything into something it's not.

Respectfully, read the caption and have a wonderful holiday.

lee and ariza combined will never be artest.
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12/25/2005  8:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

No, we don't need to trade Lee and Ariza for Artest. Constant panic and itching and moaning. It makes me not even want to post here because it gets just downright monotnous.

Briggs I know you've begged countless times for a rebuild and here we are with atleast 7 solid younguns (Ariza, Lee, Frye, Jackie Blue, Nate and Curry) and you wanna ditch two of them before we make it through half a year hardly. Truthfully, I don't think you're capable of taking the beatdown that everyone in their right mind knew was going to happen during a Rebuild. Folks up here can't stop themselves from honking the car horn eventhough there's 20 cars bumper to bumper in front of them in transit strike traffic.

If you wanna analyze the kids play or playing time...fine. If you wanna debate the merits of LB's system and substitution patterns...fine. If you wanna discuss trades that's even fine...it just get's tedious when it's obvious that Indiana isn't being offered nearly what you put forward from other teams. All Isiah has to do is sit tight and he will fall to us. JUST CHILL OUT...and enjoy the Christmas season. Go have some turkey and an egg nog...hell walk under some missletoe and get some tongue action with your main squeeze. Just stop turning everything into something it's not.

Respectfully, read the caption and have a wonderful holiday.

lee and ariza combined will never be artest.

You're correct in the sense that together they don't amount to Artest as that boy has lots and lots more multiple personalities clanking around inside that cranium.

And yes, as I said you wouldn't be able to take a total rebuild....despite your previous statements. Thou Dost Protest Too Much

[Edited by - Junkmein on 12-25-2005 8:35 PM]
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12/25/2005  9:17 PM
If the Pacers would take that trade the Knicks would be insane not to take it. They can get more than Lee, Ariza, and AD for Artest. Why not trade Hardaway and Frye for Garnett and then you will be set. Artest is a sandwich short of a full picnic and I wouldnt take a chance on him.
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12/25/2005  9:19 PM
were not going to have a high lottery pick for 3 years--how to you rebuild like that?

the team has to get better within and get rid of junk like Q-rich for starters. Id be willing to listen to offers on any of our BIG 3 guards,although q-rich has value of a wet towel.

i think almost by default--if we can get involved for a Ron Artest where we are at, you do it

were NOT going to have the best names attached to any proposition, but this is one case where id be willing to take back significant salaries which in combination with lee ariza and davis as the ender, I think would atleast put us at an outside shot. If Im Indiana, financially Im looking at that knick deal, but there is no way we can say only 1 yongin when artest is 26 its going to cost ariza and lee+significant salary

if they could pull off something like this and are able to use the other ending contract to get a REAL impact player--i would do it.

like i said last night, i stand pat and let the contracts burn unless I get NBA impact players or LEGIT unprotected picks where i have reasonable abilitis to get a very high choice.

otherwise who can condone the spending? if there wa a scintilla of chance to get Paul Pierce and Artset on the same team using money, then you do it. Got to get Curry on the court, and while Frye doesnt have to start--i dont think he should, he should command 30 MINUTES off the bench. I liked him in that role.
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12/25/2005  10:46 PM
were not going to have a high lottery pick for 3 years--how to you rebuild like that?
Technically we could have a pick as high as #2 in the 2007 draft.
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12/26/2005  12:04 AM

Artest is a nutcase. Leave it alone.

Stop the drama just cuz it ain't going well at the moment. Think this is it? Ain't never gonna change?

NO imagination. Go with a plan for 25 games then give it up? Weak, very weak.
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12/26/2005  12:43 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Artest is a nutcase. Leave it alone.

Stop the drama just cuz it ain't going well at the moment. Think this is it? Ain't never gonna change?

NO imagination. Go with a plan for 25 games then give it up? Weak, very weak.


If this was the battle plan, we need new generals.
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12/26/2005  12:50 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Artest is a nutcase. Leave it alone.

Stop the drama just cuz it ain't going well at the moment. Think this is it? Ain't never gonna change?

NO imagination. Go with a plan for 25 games then give it up? Weak, very weak.

I agree. It's real weak, all this doomsday stuff and how the kids won't amount to much, is just ignorance pure and simple.

Briggs, how do you know that Lee won't become a better player than Artest, if he was so great, why isn't he playing right now?, or why does every one want to stay away from him.
Actually thinking more about it, your right, they won't amount to Artest, they are smarter, mentally stronger, and just all around better guys to have on a team, so they don't amount to Artest they will be better than him.
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12/26/2005  1:07 AM
Thats like saying, I dont want Dennis Rodman because hes nuts. For lee or ariza to reach the height s of what Ron Artest has in the NBA in the next 2-3 years, it would be of miracle proportions. Ron Artest is a 6-7 260 pound monster NBA impact player of monumental proportions, maybe a first team all nba player at peak.

listen i dont know ron artest, im sure there are a couple of guys who post here who do, im sure isiah may not like him, may think hes crazy, and he might be. and i would still give them ariza lee and Davis in a milli-second.

Except for Shaq, the next guy on the list who intimidates people is Artest. I think 80-90% of the nBA players are scared of him and loathe to match up with him. Hes physically intimidating and crazy, yet also has incredible skills both ways. You can put Ron Artest 1-1 with ANY top player in the league on the wing, and hes going to shut or slow them down. When you are able to shut down a top player, your chances of winning just went up quite a bit. hes an impact player, bottom line


im in favor of rebuilding, but thats a joke at this point--we have nothing to rebuild with other than from within
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