I believe in stability but............

I find it very interesting that this guy played on a basketball team known for it's basketball savvy and toughness and yet he goes out and signs players that are not only wusses but are also clinically brain dead.

He has been blinded by talent...

Im not giving up on this bunch.

Blowing it up will only extend the process even further.

exactly. Isiah rather build a team of younger and more athletic and stupid players. Somehow he got the notion that the nba is headed in that direction and thats what you need to build a good team when in reality its not. I worry about anyone who thinks Mo Taylor, Jerome James & Jalen Rose are pieces that will help us finally win games. Enough patch work, gut this team start over. We have some excellent complimentary pieces with Frye, Curry, Lee, Crawford & Nate now get us a legit franchise player/leader and maybe some more Channing Frye's in the process and we'll be back on track in a few years.

Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with you Nalod. Curry and frye should have us excited. Why doesn't it? Why are players we won't have in the draft more exciting then these two?

Its human nature. Western thinking is to extrapolate the present into the future. If oil goes to 50, must be then to 60! Then 70, then 80! We did it during the oil crisis of 73 and 79, and did it again.

Ok, other thing is many see wins and losses as the real deal. Wins and losses are symptoms of another problem or success. Organizational success has momentum like in San Antonio. We have had failures for many years. Marbs never changed it. The move to rookies and playing them is a huge shift in philosphy and the results are not apparent. In fact, the call for someones head, Isiahs, Marburys seems to only confirm fans wrong approach and letting emotions run things. The fact they are not panicking or making BIG changes confirms a change of thinking. We must leave it alone. It is critial that no one bow down to the fans booing. A strong conviction is needed. Let the expiring contracts go, let the rookies play and keep beating the right thing into these players heads! Sure we need some tweeks, but our front line is very exciting.

The grass is always greener.

Last and least, this is fun! THis is entertainment!

Posted by Bippity10:

I believe in stability but............

I find it very interesting that this guy played on a basketball team known for it's basketball savvy and toughness and yet he goes out and signs players that are not only wusses but are also clinically brain dead.

It's part of the parameters of the rebuild approach, which so many fans supported since the acquisition of Marbury. When you toss your first round picks and refuse to seed high in the draft, and refuse to get quality talent through free agency, the only means available to talent are by "beating the bushes" or finding talent through "unconventional means", as Isiah has said.

This translates to trying to find needle in the haystacks through low draft picks, and taking other peoples castoffs along with garbage contracts.

So a team of projects, rehabs and losers is sort of a given with the method and should be embraced by all who eschew the traditional rebuild.

Now we have a career winner in LB who can help change the mentality and we want him fired because he hasn't instantly turned us into a legit team. Just add milk NY fans! Just add milk

[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-22-2005 12:38 PM]

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Bippity10:

I believe in stability but............

I find it very interesting that this guy played on a basketball team known for it's basketball savvy and toughness and yet he goes out and signs players that are not only wusses but are also clinically brain dead.

It's part of the parameters of the rebuild approach, which so many fans supported since the acquisition of Marbury. When you toss your first round picks and refuse to seed high in the draft, and refuse to get quality talent through free agency, the only means available to talent are by "beating the bushes" or finding talent through "unconventional means", as Isiah has said.

This translates to trying to find needle in the haystacks through low draft picks, and taking other peoples castoffs along with garbage contracts.

So a team of projects, rehabs and losers is sort of a given with the method and should be embraced by all who eschew the traditional rebuild.

exactly man! Isiah needs to think about changing his method because this patch up work is not working

blowing it up again to acquire smarter basket-ball players would accelerate the process. Isiah took the job with too much of an ego, trying to prove to Bird, Toronto and the CBA he is a basket-ball genious. This led to a lot of short-sighted moves like Steph and Penny, James, Q , Baker, Mo Taylor, Rose, and to a large extent, Curry.

Posted by Bippity10:

Two years removed from Shanvis Eisleyspoon I did not think we had any chance of acquiring any picks. Now I think we do. I am not opposed to trading Marbs. But I think too many fans are falling prey to a warped sense that by dumping Marbs for scraps we ill improve just like NJersey and Phoenix did.

we won't improve overnight like those teams did but at least we'll be in the right track, building chemistry, cap flexibility and racking up lottery picks in the process(aka more Channing Frye's) I don't think anyone expects us to be better right away after trading Marbury but it's a much needed step in the right direction

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm sure he would have been willing to include the young guys for Artest if he was doing the patch up you're talking about. Holding on to guys like Frye, Lee, Nate seems very far from a patch up job.

If Ron Artest was sane Isiah would have traded half our team for him.

People forget Isiah coached Ron and knows he's quicksand.

Not directed at you per se Bonn, but you guys can't keep preaching about Isiah's quest for talent over brains and then wonder why he's not going for Ron. Isiah knows his rehab ward is full, he won't be taking on many more headless projects for a while.