Damn my bad Monk, he did draft T-Mac !!! Yet another one !!

With such good drafting skills one would think he's emphasize that aspect of the rebuild. Instead he's mostly been running from it.

In the case of the knicks, if Frye is removed, Ariza, Nate, and Lee are good fr their draft position, but hardly a stellar group. But in no way was a 33 win record for the 8th pick in his game plan.

where would we be without Frye, our reward for failure of Isiah's intent? And where might we be with the three or four picks given up in the Marbury and Curry deals? where might we be if we built primarily through the draft and assembling an affordable roster of value contracts who were all movable on a dime and with flexibility to nab the numerous player who want to play for Zeke through free agency?

I've always had a problem with the Marbury deal being his first. Getting talent too soon hinders your chance of getting the high picks which give you your best chance to build through the draft. In fact, I believe a traditional rebuild offers the best chance to maximize talent acquisition.

1) First shed payroll where possible which has you get worse to stink it up and get high draft picks. That maximizes your effort through the draft.

2) Continue to shed questionable contracts to get near or under the cap maximize your opportunity through free agency.

3) After having a pool of fairly priced talent and future picks you are then in the market to try to land a stud through trade. If, as the last of your expiring contracts come to term you feel better talent can be had by trading them than through free agency you can do it, but it's not wise to make that assumption 3 or 4 years prior.

Thus, I believe the traditional rebuild allows one to maximize the three means to acquire talent: draft, free agency and trade. The path we've been on hinders opportunity by running away from high draft picks, running away from significant free agency, and clogging our roster with undesirable and nearly unmovable contracts. I see it as a rush to mediocrity.

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

If only those guys were all on this team!

Didn't he draft McGrady as well?

yes he did. Out of high school no less, and T-mac was project. Zeke knows how to draft, there is no question about that.

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I don't think Dolan permitted Isiah to rebuild until the wheels came off.


I agree 100%

Posted by BlueSeats:

With such good drafting skills one would think he's emphasize that aspect of the rebuild. Instead he's mostly been running from it.

In the case of the knicks, if Frye is removed, Ariza, Nate, and Lee are good fr their draft position, but hardly a stellar group. But in no way was a 33 win record for the 8th pick in his game plan.

where would we be without Frye, our reward for failure of Isiah's intent? And where might we be with the three or four picks given up in the Marbury and Curry deals? where might we be if we built primarily through the draft and assembling an affordable roster of value contracts who were all movable on a dime and with flexibility to nab the numerous player who want to play for Zeke through free agency?

I've always had a problem with the Marbury deal being his first. Getting talent too soon hinders your chance of getting the high picks which give you your best chance to build through the draft. In fact, I believe a traditional rebuild offers the best chance to maximize talent acquisition.

1) First shed payroll where possible which has you get worse to stink it up and get high draft picks. That maximizes your effort through the draft.

2) Continue to shed questionable contracts to get near or under the cap maximize your opportunity through free agency.

3) After having a pool of fairly priced talent and future picks you are then in the market to try to land a stud through trade. If, as the last of your expiring contracts come to term you feel better talent can be had by trading them than through free agency you can do it, but it's not wise to make that assumption 3 or 4 years prior.

Thus, I believe the traditional rebuild allows one to maximize the three means to acquire talent: draft, free agency and trade. The path we've been on hinders opportunity by running away from high draft picks, running away from significant free agency, and clogging our roster with undesirable and nearly unmovable contracts. I see it as a rush to mediocrity.

yet again we choose to forget that Marbury was acquired to play alongside Allan HOuston in the final years of his contract. WE were not in a rebuilding mode when Marbury was acquired.

Posted by Bippity10:

yet again we choose to forget that Marbury was acquired to play alongside Allan HOuston in the final years of his contract. WE were not in a rebuilding mode when Marbury was acquired.

That was not forgotten at all. However, as much as I think a $100M contract to Houston with a notion to build around him was a farce from the former regime, I think the same deal to another sub-superstar guard with intentions to build around him was an equal farce by the current regime.

You do realize we got Steph 6 months into his 6 year $100M+ Allan Houstonesque contract, right? If one didn't like it the first time around I don't see why one should like it the second time around.

and foresight makes a guy a genious.

shortsight puts a guy in position to be questioned by hindsight and usually makes him look light an idiot.

I just find it funny how guys on this site screamed for us to draft players(some of whom aren't in the league and others that are but will never produce) and then turn around and call a guy an idiot for any moves he's made. I wish we could go back in time and listen to who everyone was calling for us to draft over the past few eyars. Personally 2 years into a plan I have no idea how it will turn out.

I remember when Dallas drafted Roy Tarpley and the world thought it was the greatest pick ever. After he kicked his drug habit he became one of the best players in the league. Then he started taking drugs again and most people on this site have no idea who he is. You can't judge trades and draft picks before they even get into the league or 21 games into their time on your team. We say forsight is genious but then we can Eddie Curry after 21 games. How do we know who he will become. If he was in the draft this year at 22 he would be the top pick(even with his current flaws) and everyone would be biotching about how we could never get a franchise guy like him.

I look at the Dice acquisition the same way I look at the Marbs one. *I had no problem with the trade. Layden took a chance. It turned out to be a bad one. But to me I was okay with it because If Dice had been okay we would have cheered the trade. My problem with that trade is after Dice went down again, we still tried to build around him. That was lunacy, and that is a firable offense.

Being consistent I look at the Marbs trade the same way. The trade was made to work alongside Allan Houston. That failed. Okay, fair enough. Now I expect my GM to move on from this. I have an Eddie Curry trade and a Frye drafting and a Brown signing, that says he has changed gears and is now building in a new direction. This is what happens when you rebuild, not everything goes your way. This is why it's taken Chicago 6 years of losing and 3 different building directions just to get to .500 ball.

It's now up to Marbs to perform. I think he's giving an effort at this point. If he can't get it done than trade him. But don't trade him for garbage becaue that does nothing for us.