swiped this from the nytimes board. we had chicago kinda by the balls yet we gave them an unprotected #1 while atlanta kinda protected theirs. i wish this was how our picks were protected.

Now, the draft picks. One of the picks will come directly from the Hawks, but that is lottery-protected. That means it won't come in 2006 unless Atlanta somehow makes the playoffs. Fat chance. More likely, the pick will come in 2007, unless the Hawks wind up with one of the top 3 in that draft, then the Suns will wait until 2008. But, most likely, Atlanta will get a little better next year and wind up in the 7-10 draft range. My guess is that's the pick the Suns will get from the Hawks -- mid-lottery in 2007.

The second pick will come from either the Lakers or Celtics in 2006, unless both teams really stink and wind up among the first 10 teams in the lottery. That is unlikely. More likely is that the Lakers will just miss the playoffs and wind up with the No. 14 pick. The Celtics probably will sneak into a low playoff spot in the East and get the No. 15 or 16 pick. The Suns will get the lower of the two, which probably puts them in the late teens.

man paxson pimped isiah.

Posted by Rich:

Isiah is a great judge of talent, but a horrible negotiator.

Debatable. There was a reasonable assumption that the Knicks would be a .500 team at the end of the year, and knowing that the Atlantic is crap we would either not be in the lottery or one of the bottom few. It a weighed risk you take for trading Sweets, TT, picks for Curry/AD.

the curry trade isnt that bad of curry is moved to the power forward position where he'll be way more effective.

Posted by Bonn1997:

You get a player with a lower ceiling (JJ) and you have to give up less (merely protected picks). It makes sense.

Are you serious? A 2-way guard who can play all 3 perimeter positions effectively, Can drain shots out to 3, and is only 24 has a low ceiling?

Isiah spin at its finest. Knowing Zeke, he has his spies and spinners on message boards spewing innacuracies and falsehoods to the more young and impressionable fans.

Joe Johnson is a better ball-player than Ed "Crutch Time" Curry. They play 2 different positions so comparisons are weighted but center is not unfillable. Its harder to find a guard who brings as much to the table does as Joe Johnson than it is to find a fat man who can score. Matter of fact we had one his name is Mike Sweetney. It is very much as possible to build around Mike as it is to build around Curry, esp since at his height he can't rebound block shots or pass. Sweetney was poor passing out of doubles but he rebounded his ass off and got about the same number of blocks. The thing about Sweetney though is that he has played in all games this year and 77 out of 82 last year. Curry missed 20 last season and has missed 7 of 23 so far this season.

I bet you if both are put on the market right now, teams will make a deal for Joe at that cost before they take on Curry at his price.

Is Curry a better talent than Sweetney. yeah.

Is Curry a better basket-ball player than Sweetney. no.

Can you play the draft and find big men. Isiah got Frye.

If you have great guard play, like you get from a Joe Johnson, can you ride a Mike Sweetney who will work everynight and give you 12-15 and 10 in 30 minutes. yes

And one more thing. I know it's an "IF" thing but IF Sweetney was 6'10 he'd be dominating right now. Compare the talent. Sweetney is much more talented. He has legit post up moves and at only 6'7 is still a very good rebounder. And both guys still struggle on defense.

If we were to trade Curry now that people know his heart situation what type of value would be able to get back???

Im not saying we should trade him or anything asking a queston.

Less than what Isiah paid.

I remember a few yrs ago one of the writers also came up with a very good trade of Sprewell and cap filler for Penny Hardaway and Joe Johnson before he blew up. Only if that trade went down.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Bonn1997:

You get a player with a lower ceiling (JJ) and you have to give up less (merely protected picks). It makes sense.

Are you serious? A 2-way guard who can play all 3 perimeter positions effectively, Can drain shots out to 3, and is only 24 has a low ceiling?

Do you know the difference between "low" and "lower"?