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If this losing continues early 2006, Dolan will fire Isiah.
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WOODMANnYk
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12/18/2005  11:09 AM
I had predicted that the Knicks would win 40 to 43 win this yr but currently as a 6 - 17 ball club, they're looking towards the lottery.. So far it's been dissapointing but the team has 59 games to go in order to turn this thing around..

If the losing continues early 2006, marbury won't get traded, brown won't resigned but dolan will fire isiah!!! Isiah's time is running out..

If fired, isiah will be slammed for some of his questionable transactions such as trading for marbury, signing crawford and JJ, acquiring players like Q RIch, Curry into the roster and blowing up the payroll to 125mm.

Coach Brown has already gone public indicating that this is a flawed roster with lots of holes to fill. HE's right so you would have to blame Isiah..

What makes Isaih differ from Scott LAyden?? Both of them haven't hit the .500 mark as Knicks g.m and both responsible for a balloon payroll. The only thing i noticed about Zeke is he made this team young and atheltic but same results, continue to collect L's.

Zeke had issues in toronto, Indiana and now NY.. No wonder why Bird fired him, he doesn't have any skills as a g.m/president for b-ball.

Zeke should only become a scout or talent evaluator cause he knows talent but horrible when it come to trades or free-agent signings..

It's pretty much almost time to get someone else in here.

Bottom line, like i always said, you get Jerry west or Dumars in here, Knicks will continue to lose because of the owner.. THAT BUM DOLAN.. HE's a born loser and will always be a loser... He knows nothing about making $$$ or winning in the sports entertainment industry

Anyone else agrees or think otherwise, feel free to speak...

[Edited by - woodmanNyk on 12-18-2005 11:17 AM]
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12/18/2005  11:56 AM
I'm kind of happy that the Knicks have this record for the fact that Dolan owns the team and it just blew up right in front of him. No identity, no passion, nothing. The Knicks will be fine in three years. Right now, I don't think it's looking so good. SORRY DOLAN!!!
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12/18/2005  12:07 PM
I think that its obvious that IT has brought in much more talented players on the offensive and defensive side of the ball than the Howard Eisley led bunch that was here when he arrived. Brown's coaching to me is an abhorrent match for the people on this team, McMillan would have been a better match, I think a lot of people saw that from the beginning. Brown is a guy who can take role player type talent and maximize it, there is blue-chip talent on this roster and he doesn't know what to do with it.

I guess the question is where would we be if we had made moves just to completely blow this team up two years ago. Maybe our draft pick would have been Paul instead of Frye this past year, but probably not. We'd still have Sweetney and Ariza... and that's pretty much it. So you'd be looking at the absolute worst team in the league with no Lee, no Nate, maybe we would've stolen Blatche in the second round, and we'd have a chance at Gay or Aldridge next year. Going into '06 with a team of Frye, Gay, Sweetney, Ariza, Blatche and random free agents doesn't exactly give me chills.

This team was put in the gutter for a decade with the Camby trade... anything we get before the end of that decade is a bonus.
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12/18/2005  12:24 PM
We have no idea how patient Dolan is but I hope that Curry and Frye, who are Isiah's most important long-term projects, are given a chance (at least 1.5 years as Knicks) to help turn the team around before Isiah's fired. I do think Isiah will get at least one additional nice long-term player to add to that list by the trade deadline considering all the assets we have now.
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12/18/2005  12:42 PM
Because Dolan was so impatient with Layden and Cheney?
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12/18/2005  12:46 PM
Also, if Isiah thought his job was on the line based on the team's win total this year, I assume he would have offered our young players for Artest. Artest can certainly help the team win this year a lot more than Nate and Lee can.
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12/18/2005  12:55 PM
OTOH, I would trade Lee in a package for Artest.
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12/18/2005  2:04 PM
Yeah, if the reports are accurate, then I think Isiah made a mistake by not being willing to offer Lee and Nate in any deal to get Artest. (What's OTOH?)
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12/18/2005  2:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Yeah, if the reports are accurate, then I think Isiah made a mistake by not being willing to offer Lee and Nate in any deal to get Artest. (What's OTOH?)

on the other hand
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12/18/2005  2:11 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:



This team was put in the gutter for a decade with the Camby trade... anything we get before the end of that decade is a bonus.

where do you get that?

camby was busy writing his ticket out of here. he was sitting out tons of games and doing his whining/blaming bs all over the place. remember also that he was looked at as a total flop his first year in denver due to sitting out because of injuries and more constant whining/bs'g. their decision to re-sign him was far from automatic.

and what has nene accomplished in this league? or chris wilcox or anyone else we would have drafted?
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12/18/2005  2:12 PM
I think he said it b/c Layden could have drafted Amare
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12/18/2005  2:17 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think he said it b/c Layden could have drafted Amare

if so i missed that but i'd even respond to that that it's important to revisit exactly what the circumstances were at the time. mr. 5 high schools in 4 years bad background and bad reputation amare stoudemire was looked at as a HUGE gamble by a lot of gm's and with good reason. how judgmental should we all get in retrospect because the guy turned out to be a fantastic player and great kid? it was far far far from such a sure thing. sometimes that should be factored into the view on that draft.
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12/18/2005  2:19 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

This team was put in the gutter for a decade with the Camby trade... anything we get before the end of that decade is a bonus.

at the end of the day, the GM/player relationship between isiah and steph may end up hurting the franchise much more than the dice deal. unfortunately, dolan and/or mills have to step in here and rectify the situation. here's a funny thing, let's say isiah really is trying to move steph but finds it to be MUCH HARDER than anticipated. and b/c of this, we have to change our philosphy and try to go get that 2nd player instead of trying to build our own. how much would that suck?
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12/18/2005  2:20 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think he said it b/c Layden could have drafted Amare

if so i missed that but i'd even respond to that that it's important to revisit exactly what the circumstances were at the time. mr. 5 high schools in 4 years bad background and bad reputation amare stoudemire was looked at as a HUGE gamble by a lot of gm's and with good reason. how judgmental should we all get in retrospect because the guy turned out to be a fantastic player and great kid? it was far far far from such a sure thing. sometimes that should be factored into the view on that draft.

not to mention that the suns locked him up early, like we did with frye. did amare even work out with us?
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12/18/2005  2:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think he said it b/c Layden could have drafted Amare

if so i missed that but i'd even respond to that that it's important to revisit exactly what the circumstances were at the time. mr. 5 high schools in 4 years bad background and bad reputation amare stoudemire was looked at as a HUGE gamble by a lot of gm's and with good reason. how judgmental should we all get in retrospect because the guy turned out to be a fantastic player and great kid? it was far far far from such a sure thing. sometimes that should be factored into the view on that draft.

not to mention that the suns locked him up early, like we did with frye. did amare even work out with us?

Amare refused to work out with anyone but PHO.
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12/18/2005  4:13 PM
This is a case of players and coach not being on the same page ... I feel sorry for IT because he has tried to put a winner on the floor. But I think his biggest mistake was signing LB.Sure he was a winner every where he has gone,but it's no town like NY. And we know the old saying if you can make it here you can make it anywhere. Come on guys over 20 games and he does not even have a rotation yet. The players are confused the fans are confused and management is confused.I think IT should fire LB and take over the team himself,the only thing is it' to late... We have enough right now to have at least 10 wins...
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12/18/2005  5:01 PM
Posted by knicksavvy:

This is a case of players and coach not being on the same page ... I feel sorry for IT because he has tried to put a winner on the floor. But I think his biggest mistake was signing LB.Sure he was a winner every where he has gone,but it's no town like NY. And we know the old saying if you can make it here you can make it anywhere. Come on guys over 20 games and he does not even have a rotation yet. The players are confused the fans are confused and management is confused.I think IT should fire LB and take over the team himself,the only thing is it' to late... We have enough right now to have at least 10 wins...

this is such an idiotic post I don't know what to say. Maybe you think fans are confused but this fan is NOT. LB has like 30+ years of coaching basketball and succeeding at every freakin place he has been. He has told FANS, repoters, Isiah, Dolan, players that it will take AT LEAST 20 games before he can figure out what he has. Maybe you missed out on this. Feel free to read it about every day in the newspapers.

This is a rebuiling year with lots of young players and expectations have pretty much been set: The Knicks will suck early (and it has been pushed even further by injury) and will get better in the Dec/Jan timeframe. Watch and learn and weep.
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12/18/2005  8:47 PM
Hey just because you post 5000 times on a board do not make your post intelligent.But anyway, If you read the newspaper or even liten to informed fans you have to wonder why does'nt he settle on a line up dah...P.S I don't care how long he's been coaching
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12/18/2005  9:15 PM
its not the loosing, its the quality of the losses. I'll take games like the one last night against the pacers vs. the previous two where we don't show up.

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12/18/2005  9:24 PM
Posted by knicksavvy:

Hey just because you post 5000 times on a board do not make your post intelligent.But anyway, If you read the newspaper or even liten to informed fans you have to wonder why does'nt he settle on a line up dah...P.S I don't care how long he's been coaching

how about this: Do you care that every other NBA basketball coach (as a group rating) has said that Brown is the best teaching coach out there? Brown has stated that he needs to learn about his guys, and if you put an iota of brain cell into that you would come up with the thought that, including injury, there will be lineup changes. Let's be real here, if Curry were not hurt he and Marb would have started every game. The PFs have consistantly been either Frye or AD. It's reasonable, as a rookie, that Frye came off the bench early in the year. Our SF and SG have been erratic and non-gamers. Q is hard to figure out cause he is too slow for a SG (and a crappy shooter) and may be too short for a SF. Brown wants Craw/Nate to play better and has them on a short leash.

What I want to know is how people can not EXPECT there to be changes to the lineup?

I don't give a crap how many posts YOU have but I sure expect folks around here to use their brain.

Man, where's your savvy?
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