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djsunyc
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12/16/2005  10:54 PM
what is nate's role with us? a 15 min player off the bench?
and what about q? he's a glorified role player. that's it.

WE NEED KURT THOMAS!!! if we had kurt, we wouldn't have signed jerome. frye would be able to come off the bench as he is a defensive liability.

this trade is kicking us in the ass. another move to appease steph.

(fyi, this was the FIRST deal to come across isiah's plate for kurt and he took it.)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-16-2005 11:04 PM]
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12/16/2005  10:56 PM
Hey, a lot of guys who are gone are starting to look mighty good right about now. Maybe Charlie Ward and Chris Childs will come out of retirement.

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12/16/2005  10:57 PM
I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]
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12/16/2005  11:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]

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12/16/2005  11:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]

shortsighted....absolutely shortsighted.

frye has to go a LONG LONG LONG way defensively to be a serious starter in this league. and with curry in and out of the lineup b/c of another weak injury, you don't think kurt provides something useful?

having kurt here WOULD NOT hurt frye's development. he could still get his 30 mins but swap AD with kurt and how would we look then?

kurt provides 10X more leadership than anybody on this team right now and the difference between him and malik/AD is that kurt CAN STILL PLAY.
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12/16/2005  11:02 PM
if we could move Q, Crawford would start and Nate would get more minutes(which i wouldnt mind). I'm glad kurt is gone, i like Frye being able to start and butler getting minutes(both of which would not happen with KT still here).
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12/16/2005  11:03 PM
holy knee jerk batman. Agree with the Bonn.

The Knicks are sucking but do we have to regress to hating every past trade?

Frye is not the best at defense, but the only way he is going to learn is to play. The only way Curry and Frye are going to learn to play together is to get minutes together.

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12/16/2005  11:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]

12 minutes? How do you figure? Between center and PF there are 96 minutes. Curry is never good for more than 30. Figure KT for 30 as well. That's 36 minutes and he's averaging 28 right now. Where are you getting 12 from? I'm pretty sure that even with KT still here Frye would still be getting very similar minutes.
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12/16/2005  11:09 PM
uh, is it just me, or is frye looking like he's better than KT & Sweetney combined?

And heaven forbid we give Nate more than 20 games to learn how to 1. play at the pro level & 2. be a play maker.

I would do the KT trade straight up for Nate- Q was filler.
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12/16/2005  11:09 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]

12 minutes? How do you figure? Between center and PF there are 96 minutes. Curry is never good for more than 30. Figure KT for 30 as well. That's 36 minutes and he's averaging 28 right now. Where are you getting 12 from? I'm pretty sure that even with KT still here Frye would still be getting very similar minutes.

I got 12 mpg based on a very careful calculatin from the web site below.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exaggeration

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 11:10 PM]
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12/16/2005  11:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]

12 minutes? How do you figure? Between center and PF there are 96 minutes. Curry is never good for more than 30. Figure KT for 30 as well. That's 36 minutes and he's averaging 28 right now. Where are you getting 12 from? I'm pretty sure that even with KT still here Frye would still be getting very similar minutes.

I got 12 mpg based on a very careful calculatin from the web site below.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exaggeration

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 11:10 PM]

Of course. So you had no point, you were just being a snit. Got it.
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12/16/2005  11:14 PM
Posted by martin:

holy knee jerk batman. Agree with the Bonn.

The Knicks are sucking but do we have to regress to hating every past trade?

Frye is not the best at defense, but the only way he is going to learn is to play. The only way Curry and Frye are going to learn to play together is to get minutes together.

Chill DJ, chill.

not kneejerk at all. frye would still get his 30 mins. curry would still start. BUT kurt would've provided some really valuable minutes for us. it has nothing to do with getting blown out for 3 games in a row. it has to do with nate making some bonehead mistakes and Q really just being a nice scrappy player inside (NOT a shooter). but at the end of the day, kurt would make a BIGGER impact on this team. imagine we started kurt all those games instead of AD - we could've been something like 8-11 and have a COMPLETELY different mindset.

i love nate. i think he has a nice role in the nba. he just needs to have his head checked. q is replaceable. but kurt was and more importantly, STILL IS a solid player.

so at the end of the day, i weighed the pros and cons for kurt and nate/q and i think kurt would've given us more, not just this year, but the next two as well. and by then, BOTH nate AND q could be gone.
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12/16/2005  11:17 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:

holy knee jerk batman. Agree with the Bonn.

The Knicks are sucking but do we have to regress to hating every past trade?

Frye is not the best at defense, but the only way he is going to learn is to play. The only way Curry and Frye are going to learn to play together is to get minutes together.

Chill DJ, chill.

not kneejerk at all. frye would still get his 30 mins. curry would still start. BUT kurt would've provided some really valuable minutes for us. it has nothing to do with getting blown out for 3 games in a row. it has to do with nate making some bonehead mistakes and Q really just being a nice scrappy player inside (NOT a shooter). but at the end of the day, kurt would make a BIGGER impact on this team. imagine we started kurt all those games instead of AD - we could've been something like 8-11 and have a COMPLETELY different mindset.

i love nate. i think he has a nice role in the nba. he just needs to have his head checked. q is replaceable. but kurt was and more importantly, STILL IS a solid player.

so at the end of the day, i weighed the pros and cons for kurt and nate/q and i think kurt would've given us more, not just this year, but the next two as well. and by then, BOTH nate AND q could be gone.

Hey, DJ, you know Q can actually be a valuable player if allowed to shoot 3pters... oh wait, how would anyone know that? We have the one coach in the league who is apparently too good to adapt his game plan to his talent.
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:

holy knee jerk batman. Agree with the Bonn.

The Knicks are sucking but do we have to regress to hating every past trade?

Frye is not the best at defense, but the only way he is going to learn is to play. The only way Curry and Frye are going to learn to play together is to get minutes together.

Chill DJ, chill.

not kneejerk at all. frye would still get his 30 mins. curry would still start. BUT kurt would've provided some really valuable minutes for us. it has nothing to do with getting blown out for 3 games in a row. it has to do with nate making some bonehead mistakes and Q really just being a nice scrappy player inside (NOT a shooter). but at the end of the day, kurt would make a BIGGER impact on this team. imagine we started kurt all those games instead of AD - we could've been something like 8-11 and have a COMPLETELY different mindset.

i love nate. i think he has a nice role in the nba. he just needs to have his head checked. q is replaceable. but kurt was and more importantly, STILL IS a solid player.

so at the end of the day, i weighed the pros and cons for kurt and nate/q and i think kurt would've given us more, not just this year, but the next two as well. and by then, BOTH nate AND q could be gone.

Hey, DJ, you know Q can actually be a valuable player if allowed to shoot 3pters... oh wait, how would anyone know that? We have the one coach in the league who is apparently too good to adapt his game plan to his talent.

i like q also. he's a smart little player. he was allowed to shoot 3's last year....a whole bunch of them but shot them at a pretty paltry clip. his real role for us right now is drawing charges and cleaning up the garbage points by playing scrappy going for offensive boards.
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12/16/2005  11:19 PM
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Posted by Bonn1997:

I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]

12 minutes? How do you figure? Between center and PF there are 96 minutes. Curry is never good for more than 30. Figure KT for 30 as well. That's 36 minutes and he's averaging 28 right now. Where are you getting 12 from? I'm pretty sure that even with KT still here Frye would still be getting very similar minutes.

I got 12 mpg based on a very careful calculatin from the web site below.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exaggeration

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 11:10 PM]

Of course. So you had no point, you were just being a snit. Got it.

I hope your anger isn't because you clicked on the link. Seriously, let's conservatively say Kurt gets 28 mpg and Curry 24. That's 52 of 96 PF/C min. For the season AD and Frye are splitting minutes at about a 45:55 ratio. So, that leaves around 26 for Frye and 22 for AD IF BUTLER AND ROSE AND MO T PLAY ZERO MIN at PF/C. Very conservatively, you could say those three each get 6 mpg in the frontcourt on average. They might get some DNPs and some 15 min games. That leaves about 33 min for AD and Frye to split in their 45:55 ratio if we take the conservative estimates for all the other above players and assume 0 mpg for David Lee. I'd rather be more forward-thinking and play the young guys (Frye, Lee, Butler) instead of playing a dinosaur like Kurt on our lottery team. It's not like Kurt would be the difference between making and missing the playoffs and it's not like won't be learning plenty from AD and Larry anyway.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 11:27 PM]
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12/16/2005  11:20 PM
em...dude, let it go.
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12/16/2005  11:33 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by Bonn1997:

I love the thought of having Kurt so that Channing can get about 12 mpg and we can squeeze out a few meaningless victories

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:58 PM]

12 minutes? How do you figure? Between center and PF there are 96 minutes. Curry is never good for more than 30. Figure KT for 30 as well. That's 36 minutes and he's averaging 28 right now. Where are you getting 12 from? I'm pretty sure that even with KT still here Frye would still be getting very similar minutes.

I got 12 mpg based on a very careful calculatin from the web site below.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exaggeration

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 11:10 PM]

Of course. So you had no point, you were just being a snit. Got it.

I hope your anger isn't because you clicked on the link. Seriously, let's conservatively say Kurt gets 28 mpg and Curry 24. That's 52 of 96 PF/C min. For the season AD and Frye are splitting minutes at about a 45:55 ratio. So, that leaves around 26 for Frye and 22 for AD IF BUTLER AND ROSE AND MO T PLAY ZERO MIN at PF/C. Very conservatively, you could say those three each get 6 mpg in the frontcourt on average. They might get some DNPs and some 15 min games. That leaves about 33 min for AD and Frye to split in their 45:55 ratio if we take the conservative estimates for all the other above players and assume 0 mpg for David Lee. I'd rather be more forward-thinking and play the young guys (Frye, Lee, Butler) instead of playing a dinosaur like Kurt on our lottery team. It's not like Kurt would be the difference between making and missing the playoffs and it's not like won't be learning plenty from AD and Larry anyway.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 11:27 PM]

Why are you automatically giving AD all those minutes? His minutes have drastically gone down since a month ago and he's starting to get DNP's as well. AD, Rose, Mo T and Butler aren't going to steal his minutes. If Frye deserved minutes he would get them. Just the way he his minutes have steadily gone up in the past month. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that to not be true regardless of if KT were still here. KT would be a tremendous help on this team with his work ethic, his rebounding, his professionalism and his interior defense.
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12/16/2005  11:42 PM
I was and am fine with trading KT but he is a good player and the team would be better with him right now. I don't see how anyone could argue against that. KT, Curry, and Frye at the same time strikes me as a formidable front court.

Q's best days may already be behind him, and NR can be a solid NBA player, but I don't see him as a bonafide star. It's not easy when you're 5'9", I don't care how high you can jump.

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12/16/2005  11:52 PM
well, when you trade for the 3pt champion and then tell him not to shoot threes, it's going to look like a stupid trade. but, hey, shooting threes isn't the right way, Q should be dumping the ball into Malik Rose for the 15 footer, because that's team work and smart basketball.
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12/16/2005  11:54 PM
Everybody praises Isiah for making a great move in getting both Nate and Q for Kurt. Most claim its the first time in a while that we get the better end of the deal, and all agree that it was a no-brainer.

Now it was a terrible trade by Isiah because the Knicks suck? Like they didn't suck last year with him? Like they were so tough and so great defensively with him? Please! This is just a reaction for our recent play. Next thing will be questioning his picks, remembering who was still avaliable.

Give me a break! It was a good move no matter how much Q has sucked this season or how much out of control Nate plays. It was a move for the future. Im sure if we traded Davis for a young player right now and went on to have a 10 game losing streak everybody would start missing Davis and call for Isiahs head. I hate this stretch of losing as much as you, but tell me, do you really believe Kurt alone would've made us a winning team?
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