When you are rebuilding not everything can go perfect. It only seems that way when you have Tim Duncan or Michael Jordan. But for the rest of us mistakes will be made. It's how you recover from those mistakes. Hopefully Zeke and LB won't cry and moan after every mistake like the rest of us. Patience.

Posted by Bippity10:

When you are rebuilding not everything can go perfect. It only seems that way when you have Tim Duncan or Michael Jordan. But for the rest of us mistakes will be made. It's how you recover from those mistakes. Hopefully Zeke and LB won't cry and moan after every mistake like the rest of us. Patience.

yes, recovery is KEY. but with many future picks traded...it's almost as if we REBUILT already. do we still have expiring deals? yes. do we still get an MLE next year? yes. (vin and jerome...i shudder). do we have picks? not that many. so we're in the same boat as many teams in the expiring deals/mle department. but we're nowhere close to getting under the cap and that doesn't seem like it's even thought about at msg and we're behind on picks or at least in getting the # of pick that we need. so with that said, it's almost as if we've REBUILT already and at the end of the day, it's really frye and curry and an outside shot for crawford for the long term.

What if you're beginning to doubt that Curry will ever be smart enough or conditioned enough to become a monster? We traded all our picks to get Curry. If thats not trying to win in the near future I don't know what is

What if Rudy Gay never develops the mindset to lead a team. There's always question marks with young guys. But if NY announced a trade(before Curry) that we dumped next years lottery selection for Rudy Gay everyone would be standing and cheering aobut how we are doing things the right way.

The only difference is that Curry has been in the league a few years and we have seen his weaknesses. We haven't seen the weaknesses of the top 3 in the draft so we can still sit back and imagine that they will all be Jordan and we are just missing out on them.

Frye already may be the best midrange jumpshooting big man in the league. Put those two together and it ain't so bleak unless you are just too focused on the record and Stephon Marbury.

Posted by Bippity10:

Again it's been 2 years. You have guys on our bench that can be traded. Zeke has done a great job on the draft. Curry is 22, what if he turns into a monster? Too many ifs for me to think it's bleak. Curry has as much chance to turn into a monster as Rudy Gay and Morrison and all these guys in the draft. Yet everyone wants the guys in the draft. Everyone knows I love Rudy Gay but this guy hasn't even learned how to lead his college team yet. Why is he an automatic given to turn the franchise around but Curry is a chump. If Curry was in college he'd be dominating right now and everyone would be crying because we don't have a lottery pick to draft him. Does anyone understand what I'm saying?

yup, if curry becomes a monster, then it's all gravy. key word being IF. i can only speak for myself but i realize that in the position our roster and cap were in when isiah got here, he had to take risks on guys like jamal and eddy b/c that's the quickest way to get young potential talent here. but at the same time, are we close to putting all our eggs into one basket? meaning that IF things don't work out with eddy, do we still have a "recovery" plan like you said? i don't know. all i know is that we've gone from a gm that makes ALL bad moves to one that makes a good one followed up by a bad one. that, to me, delays the process.

it's very easy to look at the roster and see how far we've come in terms of youth and potential but that doesn't mean that they'll actually BE better than the old dogs that were here before them. will jamal ever be as solid or consistent over the long haul like charlie ward? will eddy curry average 10 boards a game every night like kurt and anchor the center spot defensively? now ward and kurt were old dogs and we were losing with them BUT they still were consistent and now, we're actually losing MORE than them. but the potential is there but i'm not one to say, holy crap, look at the AMAZING job isiah has done. AMAZING is what pheonix did. they dumped over $100 mil in salaries to bounce back the next year to win 60 games. we keep taking on over $100 mil in salaries and it's OK b/c of what "mess" layden left us with. an argument could be made that we may have been better off keeping the picks and ADDING them to the veteran lineup we already had, won MORE in the process while still building a solid young core. i don't know, i'm all over the place with this but at the end of the day, we spend alot of money (that i know alot of you don't care about), we gave up alot of picks coming up, and nothing's changed in terms of W's and L's. but i'm willing to wait...but i'm not going to wait by "appreciating" what we have when it may not amount to crap...

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Posted by gunsnewing:

What if you're beginning to doubt that Curry will ever be smart enough or conditioned enough to become a monster? We traded all our picks to get Curry. If thats not trying to win in the near future I don't know what is

It's a chance you have to take when you get someone like Curry. You hope that getting a coach like Larry Brown and having a teacher like Agquiree will teach these guys the fundamentals and being smart players. You HAVE to take a chance on Eddy Curry.

thats true, thats the reason we all wanted Curry. But since Curry hasn't performed nearly to the level that we expected so far I don't think its fair to label everyone as being impatient when we gave up a lot to get him. The only thing we are clinging on is a better future so Isiah has to be very careful how he uses those assets

Cmon man. It's been 21 games and Curry had no chance to workout in the summer on anything basketball related. Therefor the minor injuries are bound to come up when your not in properly in shape because you CAN'T be. Why is everyone incessant on jumping the gun?

Posted by gunsnewing:


you sure he wasn't allowed to workout? I think he was at some point during the offseason

Maybe ride a bike, but as far as I know the Bulls wouldn't let him do anything basketball related.

Posted by Bippity10:

He's 22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many 22 year olds in the league are leading their teams. VEry few. Was Jermaine O'neal leading his team at 22? Did we know who he was at 22? At 22 he was averaging 3.9 pts and 3.3 rebounds. I'm not suggesting that Curry will ever be Jermaine O'neal. But I'm not suggesting he will not. I'm also not ready to say that we blew it because whoever we would have drafted with that pick would have turned out to be Jermaine O'neal. That is pretty much what a lot of people are saying.

My question is how can you say this was a bad trade, when the center piece of the trade is 22, 5 years from his prime and still learning to play. I've played basketball for a long time. I played collegiately and semi-pro. At 31 and retired I am a better player now than I ever was. At 22 I was an idiot. I am not going to give up on Curry after 21 games in a Knick uniform. Ask me how I feel 3 years from now and I'll tell you about the trade and whether Zeke made a mistake or not.

I don't know maybe I'm an idiot. I just like to see how things play out before i start crying.

No Bip, your not an idiot. I agree with you 100%