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12/15/2005  12:11 AM
By HOWARD BECK
Published: December 15, 2005

Isiah Thomas made a perfunctory inquiry about Ron Artest yesterday, but the Knicks are not aggressively pursuing a trade and, for that matter, will not make any deal that costs them any of their promising young players.

Artest has demanded a trade from the Indiana Pacers, and the team has been fielding offers since the weekend. Thomas said he called the Pacers yesterday, but he did not elaborate. But two Eastern Conference officials briefed on the matter said the Knicks were not in the running for Artest. The officials were granted anonymity because of the nature of the talks.

Although the Knicks admire Artest's talent - he is among the fiercest defenders in the league and a potent scorer - they are wary of his checkered past, what Artest himself has referred to as his baggage. The Knicks also have doubts that the Pacers would send Artest to New York.

The bottom line, however, is that the Knicks will not part with any of their top young players, Channing Frye in particular. Thomas, the team president, extended the untouchable label to his other recent draft picks - Nate Robinson, David Lee and Trevor Ariza.

"I wouldn't part with any of them," Thomas said, using variations of that phrase four times.

"I like where we are," Thomas added. "We haven't had these kind of young players here in a long time. Now that we've got them, we might as well keep them."

The Knicks envision Frye and Eddy Curry, both 22, as their starting big-man tandem for years to come. They view Artest, a 26-year-old Queens native who played at St. John's, as a risk.

"He's a great player, and yes that is a concern," Thomas said of Artest's sometimes erratic behavior. "I think anyone who trades for him or who gets him, they understand exactly what they're getting."

Trade discussions should pick up across the league, now that players who were signed last summer are eligible to be dealt. The Knicks, still in need of a backup point guard and a starting small forward, are certain to be active. They have the expiring contracts of Antonio Davis and Penny Hardaway to offer teams looking to dump salary. They also may try to move their spare big men - Malik Rose, Maurice Taylor and Jerome James - although their contracts make them unattractive.

"We've been on the phones, other teams have called us, we've called them," Thomas said, adding that nothing was imminent. "We'll continue to try to better our team."

The Knicks lost 14 of their first 20 games, but Thomas said he was "not at all" disappointed, adding, "It's a work in progress, we're rebuilding." Coach Larry Brown took six weeks to settle on his preferred starting lineup and rotation, and the Knicks have weathered injuries to several key players.

"There have been some very positive moments, some positive quarters where you see glimpses and you say, 'Wow, we've got a chance to be pretty decent,' " Thomas said. "But you've just got to be patient and stick to your plan. And if you get knocked around a little bit, that's just how it goes. But you've got to have the stubbornness to kind of stick to your plan."

Thomas said he was not worried about Stephon Marbury, who has struggled to adapt to Brown's demands and last month requested to be moved to shooting guard. Marbury's scoring average (17.9) and assists a game (6.6) are well below his career averages.

"He was in a rut, then he came out of it, then he went in another rut," Thomas said. "I'm at practice every day and have intimate dealings with the players, and I can say to you that every single player in that locker room is doing whatever he can to try to please the coach. And Stephon is no different."
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12/15/2005  12:13 AM
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12/15/2005  12:15 AM
Personally I like what Isiah said - I'm glad he's sticking with the youth movement.

He actually said "we're rebuilding"!!!!
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12/15/2005  12:16 AM
i beleive artest is gettingtraded west..no way indiana wants him in the east
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12/15/2005  12:20 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Personally I like what Isiah said - I'm glad he's sticking with the youth movement.

He actually said "we're rebuilding"!!!!

Rebuilding is a lot tougher if you give up a possible lottery pick, if not two, instead of David Lee.
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12/15/2005  12:21 AM
btw, Ariza isn't untouchable.
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12/15/2005  12:29 AM
This saga is going to have a few twists and turns. I think Isiah is waiting out a few teams and maybe trying to sneak into a three-way with a team that wants pure cap relief. I won't believe Ron isn't coming here until he lands somewhere else and stays landed there for over 48 hours...
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12/15/2005  9:25 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Personally I like what Isiah said - I'm glad he's sticking with the youth movement.

He actually said "we're rebuilding"!!!!

Rebuilding is a lot tougher if you give up a possible lottery pick, if not two, instead of David Lee.

I don't think he view this year's draft as deep as last year. Critics are starting to indicate that 2005 maybe the last great NBA draft with the current CBA in place. Also it depends on your valuvation of David Lee. Look at the Suns, they basically got not nothing for the Marbury trade except cap space which they didn't fully utilize. I don't mind giving up a lottery pick to keep Lee and get Curry. Too bad that AD isn't really showing you anything, he would make the perfect trade bait.
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12/15/2005  9:36 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Personally I like what Isiah said - I'm glad he's sticking with the youth movement.

He actually said "we're rebuilding"!!!!


this team is headed for a high draft lottery pick, not some kind of mid-late round pick they anticapted. I can name numerous guys who can help this team immenesely in the first 7-8, where WE will be.

iF we were rebuilding, we would NOT have signed 30 YO JJ and traded for 26 year old Q rich, thats not rebuilding. even eddie cury his team last year--those guys were the youngest team in the league added 4 rookies and won nearly 50 games. its all BS he put together ateam that dopesnt FIT and he gave up our picks to keep david lee who doesnt even play--were stuck worse, this is worse than layden layden atleast tried to get mcdyess who if he stayed healthy wouldve made us contenders in the east.
Rebuilding is a lot tougher if you give up a possible lottery pick, if not two, instead of David Lee.

I don't think he view this year's draft as deep as last year. Critics are starting to indicate that 2005 maybe the last great NBA draft with the current CBA in place. Also it depends on your valuvation of David Lee. Look at the Suns, they basically got not nothing for the Marbury trade except cap space which they didn't fully utilize. I don't mind giving up a lottery pick to keep Lee and get Curry. Too bad that AD isn't really showing you anything, he would make the perfect trade bait.

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12/15/2005  9:45 AM
I understand what you are saying Briggs about the early part of the draft. I don't think Isiah would mind giving up Lee if necessary. Keep in mind that Brown was very strong headed about not trading David Lee in that trade as well. Paxson was just as strong headed about getting Lee. So maybe they know something we don't. I still don't understand why he doesn't play if so many people want him. Also keep in mind that Isiah feels capable of making trades that include picks as he see fits.
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12/15/2005  9:51 AM
its to late. I guess he thinks David Lee has more talent than guys like Rudy Gay, Morrison, Aldridge et al.... he has so much talent, he sits in a suit and wasnt even the main option for his college team in any of his 4 years.
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12/15/2005  9:53 AM
those guys suck. Lee is the truth
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12/15/2005  10:00 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

its to late. I guess he thinks David Lee has more talent than guys like Rudy Gay, Morrison, Aldridge et al.... he has so much talent, he sits in a suit and wasnt even the main option for his college team in any of his 4 years.

I totally agree with you & I'm pissed off about the picks we lost, but we gotta move on. It's just that it's so hard to look at the future when we don't see the light at the end of this looooooooooooooooong sad miserable tunnel....
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12/15/2005  10:37 AM
we have to up the ante for artest--here are the reasons why

we DONT have a lottery pick, so it will be hARD to improve the team

if someone asked me last year would i trade david Lee a 2006 pick and one ending contract for Ron Artest--i say yes--why because Ron Artest is an NBA impact player who is 26 and there are not many of them.

In any common sense princable, Ron Artest is better than any Knick, maybe any two knicks. if we paid out the arse for guys who are not as good as ron, like stephon marbury who cost us 150mm$ and two draft picks, why wouldnt we pay less for artest?


I dont acept the lie of rebuilding. when you have a 20mm$ pg a 10mm$ C an 8th pick in the draft at F a G of a team that won 60 games who has been in th league 6 years and hundreds of millions in contracts on the bench--all of your draft picks basically gone--that is NOT rebuilding--is a lie.

Artest is a RISK, but its a risk we need to take. Give them what they want sans Frye and Curry.
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12/15/2005  10:49 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we have to up the ante for artest--here are the reasons why

we DONT have a lottery pick, so it will be hARD to improve the team

if someone asked me last year would i trade david Lee a 2006 pick and one ending contract for Ron Artest--i say yes--why because Ron Artest is an NBA impact player who is 26 and there are not many of them.

In any common sense princable, Ron Artest is better than any Knick, maybe any two knicks. if we paid out the arse for guys who are not as good as ron, like stephon marbury who cost us 150mm$ and two draft picks, why wouldnt we pay less for artest?


I dont acept the lie of rebuilding. when you have a 20mm$ pg a 10mm$ C an 8th pick in the draft at F a G of a team that won 60 games who has been in th league 6 years and hundreds of millions in contracts on the bench--all of your draft picks basically gone--that is NOT rebuilding--is a lie.

Artest is a RISK, but its a risk we need to take. Give them what they want sans Frye and Curry.

now you are nit-picking. The Knicks are certainly not rebuilding through the draft, if that is your exclusive definition of rebuilding. But giving heaviy minutes to Ariza, Nate, Curry, Frye sure is rebuilding if you mean playing youth.
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Posted by martin:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

we have to up the ante for artest--here are the reasons why

we DONT have a lottery pick, so it will be hARD to improve the team

if someone asked me last year would i trade david Lee a 2006 pick and one ending contract for Ron Artest--i say yes--why because Ron Artest is an NBA impact player who is 26 and there are not many of them.

In any common sense princable, Ron Artest is better than any Knick, maybe any two knicks. if we paid out the arse for guys who are not as good as ron, like stephon marbury who cost us 150mm$ and two draft picks, why wouldnt we pay less for artest?


I dont acept the lie of rebuilding. when you have a 20mm$ pg a 10mm$ C an 8th pick in the draft at F a G of a team that won 60 games who has been in th league 6 years and hundreds of millions in contracts on the bench--all of your draft picks basically gone--that is NOT rebuilding--is a lie.

Artest is a RISK, but its a risk we need to take. Give them what they want sans Frye and Curry.

now you are nit-picking. The Knicks are certainly not rebuilding through the draft, if that is your exclusive definition of rebuilding. But giving heaviy minutes to Ariza, Nate, Curry, Frye sure is rebuilding if you mean playing youth.



what the rebuilding plan at SF? PG? SG?
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12/15/2005  11:02 AM
i really dont see how david lee cant be traded when he cant even get off the inactive list for us??? i like ariza as a nice backup energy player but cmon if we can get artest i dont see how we cant part with lee and/or ariza to get him.
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12/15/2005  11:13 AM
Posted by mrbean259:

i really dont see how david lee cant be traded when he cant even get off the inactive list for us??? i like ariza as a nice backup energy player but cmon if we can get artest i dont see how we cant part with lee and/or ariza to get him.

think of it more as Lee is on the bench to focus on learning the 3 which he has never played before rather than he sucks and is not getting burn. If Brown threw him out there Lee would be getting beaten something fierce, no matter how competitive he is. Easin' him in.
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12/15/2005  11:17 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

we have to up the ante for artest--here are the reasons why

we DONT have a lottery pick, so it will be hARD to improve the team

if someone asked me last year would i trade david Lee a 2006 pick and one ending contract for Ron Artest--i say yes--why because Ron Artest is an NBA impact player who is 26 and there are not many of them.

In any common sense princable, Ron Artest is better than any Knick, maybe any two knicks. if we paid out the arse for guys who are not as good as ron, like stephon marbury who cost us 150mm$ and two draft picks, why wouldnt we pay less for artest?


I dont acept the lie of rebuilding. when you have a 20mm$ pg a 10mm$ C an 8th pick in the draft at F a G of a team that won 60 games who has been in th league 6 years and hundreds of millions in contracts on the bench--all of your draft picks basically gone--that is NOT rebuilding--is a lie.

Artest is a RISK, but its a risk we need to take. Give them what they want sans Frye and Curry.

now you are nit-picking. The Knicks are certainly not rebuilding through the draft, if that is your exclusive definition of rebuilding. But giving heaviy minutes to Ariza, Nate, Curry, Frye sure is rebuilding if you mean playing youth.



what the rebuilding plan at SF? PG? SG?

well, since isiah has said he wont trade nate, lee, or ariza, i'm guessing Zeke sees them as the future at SF or SG

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12/15/2005  11:22 AM
^Actually the quote I heard on 550am at about 1045 last nite was Zeke said he won't trade Frye, Nate, or Lee...he said nothing about Ariza or Butler from what I heard....
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