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Mr. Ariza it's time to wake up
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boomann
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11/30/2005  1:33 PM
Ariza has been sleep walking since he took that beating from the hands of Kobe and then he turns around and gets the same treatment from DWade. I'm a big Ariza fan because he did play his heart out last year, but somewhere on the road trip he lost all confidence. We will not be a good team without a somebody holding down that SF position. Whatever skills he worked on during his summer workouts with Kobe he needs to start utilizing. Mr. Ariza if you are reading this WAKE UP! Your teammates need you to be effective when you are on the court. Thank you and good nig.....Good Morning it's time to WAKE UP!
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martin
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11/30/2005  1:48 PM
Ariza isn't sleepwalking, he now has a shorter leash with Brown, especially when he tries to dribble and causes a turnover. Brown wants the guys to minimize their mistakes and Ariza hasn't caught up.
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11/30/2005  1:54 PM
Ariza has been exposed. He's a good kid but the league is hip to his very limited arsenal of tricks.

If you make him put the ball on the floor he's a TO waiting to happen.
If you make him adjust his move he's a TO waiting to happen.
If you block a once clear path he may have had to the basket he's a TO waiting to happen.

He's still good at crashing the boards and getting to loose balls, but the offense has suffered some with him in it, especially in the half court.
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McK1
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11/30/2005  1:58 PM
so you mean he's not T-Mac
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fishmike
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11/30/2005  2:04 PM
or Marion
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11/30/2005  2:05 PM
D-League I'm telling you. The guy is all jumping. He can't dribble and he can't make a lay-up to save his life. He could score on his man if he was gay.
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fishmike
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11/30/2005  2:13 PM
I think he should stay up here. He should be able to get 15-18 minutes off the bench against the other team's 2nd unit and be effective on the boards and making hustle plays.

Maybe he can evolve into a JAmes Posey type, which would be GREAT IMO
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11/30/2005  2:20 PM
you guys are missing the point on Ariza. The reason he was such a good pick was because circumstances made him declare before he was ready and thus we got a steal. If teams knew at the time of the draft what he could do in the NBA now, he would've been taken in the first round.

Just because he was a steal, however, doesn't mean he's ready to take the league over. He's got all the tools, a great coach, and all the time he needs to develop into a good player. See what kind of player he is in 5 years. It's unfair to get down on him already.
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11/30/2005  2:20 PM
james posey...bruce bowen...defensive guys that have this 3 point shot that you have to respect. it's obvious that he has a long way to go in terms of developing a handle or polished mid-range jumper (which is harder to learn than a 3 pointer) so let's start simple and have him get a nice 3 point shot down (where he's wide open and would work with curry) and then we can take it from there. b/c when he starts nailing them, he still has the quickness to take a dribble and go past you to the hoop.
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11/30/2005  2:21 PM
ALSO...a key factor in his development is frye and curry's development as defensive players. this would allow ariza to play more aggressive on his man and in the passing lanes as he likes to take gambles and he's effective taking them.
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11/30/2005  2:21 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Ariza has been exposed. He's a good kid but the league is hip to his very limited arsenal of tricks.

If you make him put the ball on the floor he's a TO waiting to happen.
If you make him adjust his move he's a TO waiting to happen.
If you block a once clear path he may have had to the basket he's a TO waiting to happen.

He's still good at crashing the boards and getting to loose balls, but the offense has suffered some with him in it, especially in the half court.

fish, you know I am a huge ariza fan, but you are right on the money here. I am somewhat dissapointed by his slow offensive development, but I hope that changes, right now I am not so sure. I look at travis outlaw from the Blazers and that kid's offensive game grew over the past year, he can hit the jumper and he is everybit the athlete ariza is if not more.. Briggs I must commend was right about outlaw last year.... Hear that briggy...
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11/30/2005  2:22 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I think he should stay up here. He should be able to get 15-18 minutes off the bench against the other team's 2nd unit and be effective on the boards and making hustle plays.

Maybe he can evolve into a JAmes Posey type, which would be GREAT IMO

I don't wanna see Ariza spotting up outside. Ariza's game is attacking the rim. Posey is a nice player but Ariza should be able to surpass him. If Ariza had Posey's handle and finishing ability Ariza would be a star.

Ariza just needs to live in the gym and work on his offense. No jumpshots......just stand in the paint and just practice scoring around the basket. He can't finish nor can he create for himself off the dribble. I think the jumpshot will come as time goes on but the ball handling and finishing ability needs to be constantly drilled to this tard.
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11/30/2005  2:25 PM
its a bad sign when a young player comes back and has improved on absolutely nothing.
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11/30/2005  2:26 PM
^Ariza is a tard? "T-Tard"...I like it.
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11/30/2005  2:27 PM
Lets be honest Ariza sucks!

He was a breathe of fresh air last year because he did something no other knick did he played hard and tried defensively....he is a good defensive player but not great, and attacks the glass as well as anyone during a missed shot

Apart from that he ****ing didn't improve one thing about his game this off season which means he has no desire to get better, especially coming from a second round pick that is trying to earn a bigger contract, he can't shoot is the worst ball handler i have ever seen, and doesn't know how to control his body or dunk a basketball. He is plain awkard, and could develop into a 12-13 ppg 7rb player if he works on his game which he has not....

Ariza needs to stop taking jumpers, and just do what he does best attack the glass play hard and get garbage points other than that he doesn't need any expectation on his back
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11/30/2005  2:33 PM
If he can start playing like Gerald Wallace I will be satsified. Charlotte dosen't run any plays for the guy, but he manages to get his. This aspect of the game Ariza hasn't mastered up to this point, but hopefully with some more seasoning he can begin to evolve into a better player. I just don't like his demeanor on the court right now
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11/30/2005  2:37 PM
Dang. The kid is in his 2nd year. Give him a break.
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11/30/2005  2:39 PM
Gerald can put it on the floor and finish with something other than a dunk. Ariza will be just as much of a headache if he could do that.

Just look at Ariza's arms......sheesh man it's a shame someone with that much reach can't score. He should be finger rolling all day.
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11/30/2005  2:45 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Gerald can put it on the floor and finish with something other than a dunk. Ariza will be just as much of a headache if he could do that.

Just look at Ariza's arms......sheesh man it's a shame someone with that much reach can't score. He should be finger rolling all day.

I agree, if ariza could just finish around the hoop he would be much better, and at least work on dribbling enough to get him in position to make shots.. I have faith in him tho. he will get there one day..
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11/30/2005  2:47 PM
He is a young pup that needs seasoning. He might be in a wrong system right now in that we don't run much. If you put him alongside Nash or Kidd he would be setting the NBA on fire. He is a helter-skelter type player right now in that his success comes from chaos.
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