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djsunyc
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11/26/2005  9:56 AM
Kurt gets off shots at Steph

PHOENIX - Kurt Thomas misses his old point guard from New York. No, not that one.
"I enjoyed playing with Charlie Ward," Thomas said yesterday morning when asked if he were surprised that Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury have had their difficulties.

Thomas is loving his new life in the desert here with the Suns. And he made it clear it is not just the gorgeous weather that has made him so content.

Thomas is the latest ex-Knick to reveal just how thrilled he is to be playing with a point guard other than Marbury. Without ever uttering Marbury's name, Thomas managed to take some not-so-veiled shots at his old point guard.

When told that Tim Thomas recently had said how excited he was to be playing in Chicago with point guards who pass, the Suns' forward smiled.

"Oh definitely, total agreement," Thomas said. "Total agreement. Totally. Totally."

Thomas now receives passes from the man Jason Kidd calls the best point guard in the game - MVP Steve Nash.

Thomas was asked to describe the difference between playing with Marbury and Nash.

"I can't even think of the words," Thomas said. "We'll see how the season goes. We'll see what happens in Phoenix and I'll keep my eye on New York. But I'm definitely happy here."

Thomas spent seven seasons with the Knicks and was part of the 1999 team that reached the Finals. However, his Knicks tenure ended with Thomas trying to make the most of a sour situation. The man known as "Crazy Eyes" never saw eye-to-eye with Marbury and the two were involved in an altercation in his final season in New York. He then was dealt on draft night to Phoenix for Quentin Richardson and the rights to Nate Robinson.

While Thomas tries to fill the void in the Suns' lineup left by Amare Stoudemire's knee injury, the power forward has noticed how Brown and Marbury have clashed.

"Not surprised," Thomas said.

Thomas has had trouble adjusting to Phoenix's turbo-charged offense. A starter to begin the season, he now comes off Mike D'Antoni's bench. He had shot just 42.4% and averaged 7.5points and 5.5 rebounds going into last night, but then grabbed 19 boards, a season high, in 31-plus minutes and scored eight points on 3-of-8 shooting. He knows it is only a matter of time before he and Nash become a deadly pick-and-pop tandem.

"I think the chemistry is there," Nash said. "I think we feel comfortable with each other. I just think it is going to get better the more he and I make shots like we normally do. He is a terrific shooter."
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11/26/2005  10:13 AM
He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.
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11/26/2005  10:30 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.

For whatever reason, Steph has left a long trail of delusional teammates in his wake.
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11/26/2005  10:44 AM
I must say, even though I, too, would be happier playing with Nash, I don't quite understand Kurt's beef with Marbury. Steph is the one who set him up with all those jump shots that got him that new contract. Kurt has no offensive game except his jumper and it's not like he can get free on his own.
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11/26/2005  10:47 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.

For whatever reason, Steph has left a long trail of delusional teammates in his wake.

It is hard to ignore.

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11/26/2005  10:48 AM
Kurt Thomas is full of it cuz Marbs was feeding KT on almost every wide open jumpshot he took last season.

Kick a man when he is down. Everyone seems to love to do it and the media always seems to find someone willing to add more fuel to the fire.

What did Marbury do wrong in his career that everyone loves to talk stuff about him??
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11/26/2005  10:58 AM
I don't even know if it is true, KT had an awful lot of open set shots from the corner over the years. But, a bigger question is why do all Steph's former teammates hate him? It tells you something.
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11/26/2005  11:43 AM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.

For whatever reason, Steph has left a long trail of delusional teammates in his wake.

It is hard to ignore.
Only because the papaers and certain posters here love hearing it so much. Everyone here has seen KT and Steph on the court, and I don't know if you guys have seen KT in Phoenix, but he looks like hes aged 5 years. He can say what he likes, but if you have seen the games, and you have any basketball knowledge whatsoever, how can you take this seriously?

There is a reason KT is saying this though it definitely isn't because he's getting more open shots. TT either. Certain fans love this stuff, is illogical, and soap opera-worthy as it is.
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11/26/2005  11:45 AM
And, interestingly enough the same posters, post and support these kind of articles. Go figure.
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11/26/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

I don't even know if it is true, KT had an awful lot of open set shots from the corner over the years. But, a bigger question is why do all Steph's former teammates hate him? It tells you something.

Ah.. but the only one that really matters is doing everything in his power, even hurting his rep by trying to reunite with his former guard. Marbury is hard on players and expects more out of them. TT shot 30% as a Knick player. The man was scared to post up against smaller players. I don't know how in the world Marbury could help out TT. I watch as that man lay brick after brick while the defense laid back and dared him to shoot. Funny but where is the report that grills KT about what is his problem with Nash when someone brought up his low stats this season. Sometimes a PG is only as good as the people you surround him with. As good as J-Kidd is he got traded twice and has complaints about him as well (Mash & JJ in Dallas and McCloud and Ceballos in Phoenix). We all know how much crap that was too.

Kurt Thomas #s as a Sun
PPG 7.5
RPG 6.6
APG 1.0
SPG .50
BPG .83
FG% .411
FT% .800
3P% .000
MPG 22.8

Channing Frye as a Knick
PPG 13.1
RPG 5.7
APG 1.0
SPG .80
BPG 1.00
FG% .505
FT% .875
3P% .000
MPG 22.6




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11/26/2005  12:03 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Kurt Thomas is full of it cuz Marbs was feeding KT on almost every wide open jumpshot he took last season.

Kick a man when he is down. Everyone seems to love to do it and the media always seems to find someone willing to add more fuel to the fire.

What did Marbury do wrong in his career that everyone loves to talk stuff about him??

KT is upset because once marbury arrived with the knicks, he was not only appointed team capt but had alot of input on the team changes with Zeke.. Some Knick players weren't too fond of that, particularly Kurt Flirt...

imagine, after 8 yrs on the job, this new person comes in from another company and assumes most of the responsibility from the group..
Im sure you'd be pissed off seeing some new jack taking over as the group's new head man..

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[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-26-2005 12:06 PM]
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11/26/2005  12:09 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.

For whatever reason, Steph has left a long trail of delusional teammates in his wake.
No one's left a longer trail of angry teammates than Allen Iverson. Players and fans who have something else wrong in their lives like to take out their anger on PGs who are good scorers. That's something Iverson, Marbury, Francis will just have to live with. Winning (which none of those players have done in a very long time in the playoffs) will quiet the critics.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-26-2005 12:09 PM]
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11/26/2005  12:10 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.

For whatever reason, Steph has left a long trail of delusional teammates in his wake.

It is hard to ignore.
Only because the papaers and certain posters here love hearing it so much. Everyone here has seen KT and Steph on the court, and I don't know if you guys have seen KT in Phoenix, but he looks like hes aged 5 years. He can say what he likes, but if you have seen the games, and you have any basketball knowledge whatsoever, how can you take this seriously?

There is a reason KT is saying this though it definitely isn't because he's getting more open shots. TT either. Certain fans love this stuff, is illogical, and soap opera-worthy as it is.

Yeah he said it because it's true. I think a vast vast majority of NBA players would say the same thing if given the choice between playing with Nash or Marbury. Anyone with any basketball knowledge whatsoever would understand why.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.

For whatever reason, Steph has left a long trail of delusional teammates in his wake.

It is hard to ignore.
Only because the papaers and certain posters here love hearing it so much. Everyone here has seen KT and Steph on the court, and I don't know if you guys have seen KT in Phoenix, but he looks like hes aged 5 years. He can say what he likes, but if you have seen the games, and you have any basketball knowledge whatsoever, how can you take this seriously?

There is a reason KT is saying this though it definitely isn't because he's getting more open shots. TT either. Certain fans love this stuff, is illogical, and soap opera-worthy as it is.

Yeah he said it because it's true. I think a vast vast majority of NBA players would say the same thing if given the choice between playing with Nash or Marbury. Anyone with any basketball knowledge whatsoever would understand why.

Isles, why did Kurt's #s plummet as soon as he played on the Suns? It might be one thing for him score fewer points as he's playing with better scorers, but why is his FG% plummetting now too?
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11/26/2005  12:21 PM
TT didn't shoot 30% as a Knick, don't know where those numbers came from. KT doesn't really fit in Phoenix, he isn't starting now, so his numbers are bound to be lower than when with the Knicks.
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11/26/2005  12:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He must be delusional if he thinks Nash is setting him up better than Marbury while he's averaging 7 pts on 42% shooting.

For whatever reason, Steph has left a long trail of delusional teammates in his wake.

It is hard to ignore.
Only because the papaers and certain posters here love hearing it so much. Everyone here has seen KT and Steph on the court, and I don't know if you guys have seen KT in Phoenix, but he looks like hes aged 5 years. He can say what he likes, but if you have seen the games, and you have any basketball knowledge whatsoever, how can you take this seriously?

There is a reason KT is saying this though it definitely isn't because he's getting more open shots. TT either. Certain fans love this stuff, is illogical, and soap opera-worthy as it is.

Yeah he said it because it's true. I think a vast vast majority of NBA players would say the same thing if given the choice between playing with Nash or Marbury. Anyone with any basketball knowledge whatsoever would understand why.

Isles, why did Kurt's #s plummet as soon as he played on the Suns? It might be one thing for him score fewer points as he's playing with better scorers, but why is his FG% plummetting now too?

I'm sorry but I don't answer questions from people who pick and choose whose questions they answer from other people.

At least Briggs takes the time to answer questions instead of avoiding them like you do.
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11/26/2005  3:25 PM
if you look at the replays on the last shot of this exciting sixer game, it is very clear that steph was looking to set up nate for the shot.
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11/26/2005  3:38 PM
Tim Thomas was given EVERY chance to be an offensive weapon for us and failed. For KTs offensive cappablilites he got more than enough looks. Fans even complained we did pick and pop way to much last season.

These are the 2 guys that shouldn't be complaining. Sweetney should be the one upset, and he credited Marbury. Small irony.

Why don't they ask Doleac what he thinks about Marbury.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

Tim Thomas was given EVERY chance to be an offensive weapon for us and failed. For KTs offensive cappablilites he got more than enough looks. Fans even complained we did pick and pop way to much last season.

These are the 2 guys that shouldn't be complaining. Sweetney should be the one upset, and he credited Marbury. Small irony.

Why don't they ask Doleac what he thinks about Marbury.
Former teammates have all sorts of motivations and personal issues in their lives. I wouldn't place too much emphasis on what they say. I'm more interested in how Marbury sets up his current teammates. Let former teammates talk about whatever they want to.

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11/26/2005  4:04 PM
Lets tell Kurt Thomas to watch todays game film. Steph to Frye.

Overall, obviously Nash is a better passing point-guard, its just fact. Really, I don't think Kurt should be talking too much since Marbury did setup alot of Thomas's open shots here and there were about 5-6 of those open shots every game.
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