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jchi18
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11/13/2005  11:50 PM
Does anyone still want Bynum over Frye? He has shown great range, solid rebounding and defense. He has better range that KT but is more athletic. Plus, the knock that he is soft is completely undeserved.

I don't know about anyone else, but even though the knicks are losing I feel different about this team. They are finally playing defense. They are very deep. And they have exciting youth for the first time in years. How can you not be excited about Frye, Curry, Lee, Ariza, and Robinson? Sure we have our flaws but the team cannot be turned around in one year after what Layden did to this team. So why are some people so negative and pessimistic about this team? Have patience in our team but more importantly be a fan. Be a freakin fan of the knicks. Being a fan of the knicks is about wanting to win but it is also about liking the players especially home grown talent. It is fine to second guess as I do it myself. But to second guess every move? C'mon how fair is that? And I am speaking to even to the dedicated posters of this forum. I might be talking to the most dedicated poster of this forum.

Sorry about the brain fart. I don't usually express myself on this board and in life but I've grown tired of reading all this negativity...
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11/13/2005  11:53 PM
i agree man....but in actuality alot of the posters here have been positive but its always the negative ones dat draw the most attention...

Its great that we got this 1st win...but now they gotta stay focused because of tough utah squad is coming up
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11/13/2005  11:55 PM
I'll take Frye and Isiah over Bynum and Briggs
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11/13/2005  11:55 PM
true, true. Good game, deep down I know they wouldn't blow it, but the refs really tried to give it away...good to see steph and craw carry the team and Q start to get off the schnide...curry frye's monster games.

everyone realizes we are still a super young team.
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11/13/2005  11:55 PM
butler is our bynum.
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11/13/2005  11:57 PM
Lets not get carried away. Both are guys that can turn into excellent players. I remember watching Bynum get some minutes in the first game of the season and he looked very good for a guy coming straight out of high school (he had like 2 blocks in 5 minutes or something like that). Frye has looked very good so far but there is no need to compare players right now.
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11/13/2005  11:58 PM
I am loving Frye, but this question cannot be answered completely for at least three years.
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11/14/2005  12:00 AM
butler is bynum!
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11/14/2005  12:02 AM
Maybe not, but I tell you what...I can't see bynum becoming this polished in a few years. How many NBA players have improved a lot since entering the NBA? Very few to my recollection. Generally, they have it or they don't. But it could be that Bynum's skills are hidden due to lack of minutes.
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11/14/2005  12:03 AM
Bynum might turn out to be the better player, but it's a moot point. No GM ever gets the best player available at his pick every single time. The important thing is to get good value relative to where you're drafting, and so far it looks like Channing is going to be an excellent return at #8. 'sides, we got Curry to be our beast down low.
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11/14/2005  12:04 AM
Posted by jchi18:

Maybe not, but I tell you what...I can't see bynum becoming this polished in a few years. How many NBA players have improved a lot since entering the NBA? Very few to my recollection. Generally, they have it or they don't. But it could be that Bynum's skills are hidden due to lack of minutes.


"Polished". I like that word regarding Frye. The guy has basketball skills. Shooting, rebounding, playing D, understanding what to do.
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11/14/2005  12:04 AM
Posted by jchi18:

Maybe not, but I tell you what...I can't see bynum becoming this polished in a few years. How many NBA players have improved a lot since entering the NBA? Very few to my recollection. Generally, they have it or they don't. But it could be that Bynum's skills are hidden due to lack of minutes.


Bynum is a HS kid. Almost all HS kids get dramatically better over time as they mature. But whatever, no need to revisit this dead horse. We have Channing and we should be glad.
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11/14/2005  12:08 AM
Frye is the deal and still has lots of upside.
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11/14/2005  12:16 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by jchi18:

Maybe not, but I tell you what...I can't see bynum becoming this polished in a few years. How many NBA players have improved a lot since entering the NBA? Very few to my recollection. Generally, they have it or they don't. But it could be that Bynum's skills are hidden due to lack of minutes.


Bynum is a HS kid. Almost all HS kids get dramatically better over time as they mature. But whatever, no need to revisit this dead horse. We have Channing and we should be glad.


Careful jchi18, he could turn out to be another HS success story like McGrady!
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11/14/2005  12:58 AM
I haven't seen Bynum play and he's receiving scant minutes in LA anyway.

A note about Frye though - he was mistakenly called soft but, in my opinion, aptly labelled weak. Its clear that he tries to get in the fray inside. But, inevitably, he ends up getting muscled out. He's especially weak in the lower body - his explosion is missing on finishes in the paint. I'm not expecting a Lebronesque vertical leap but thats an area on which he will work and hopefully improve significantly.

Frye does many things well - shoot, run the floor, set screens. His lateral mobility on defense is good but not outstanding - there's room for improvement here as well. He relies quite a bit on his length, which is his most imposing attribute. Along with the range on his shot, his length alone gives him the upside for Knick fans to be excited.
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11/14/2005  1:02 AM
Posted by codeunknown:

He's especially weak in the lower body - his explosion is missing on finishes in the paint.


That might be an illusion from his finesse game in the low post. The other night against GS he had a monster jam (admittedly with a full head of steam, but).
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11/14/2005  1:07 AM
Frye is no Curry in the paint but he is not weak by any means, this label of him as to stop now!.
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11/14/2005  1:14 AM
Posted by codeunknown:

I haven't seen Bynum play and he's receiving scant minutes in LA anyway.

A note about Frye though - he was mistakenly called soft but, in my opinion, aptly labelled weak. Its clear that he tries to get in the fray inside. But, inevitably, he ends up getting muscled out. He's especially weak in the lower body - his explosion is missing on finishes in the paint. I'm not expecting a Lebronesque vertical leap but thats an area on which he will work and hopefully improve significantly.

Frye does many things well - shoot, run the floor, set screens. His lateral mobility on defense is good but not outstanding - there's room for improvement here as well. He relies quite a bit on his length, which is his most imposing attribute. Along with the range on his shot, his length alone gives him the upside for Knick fans to be excited.
He's shown some huge ups through the first 6 games. His trouble is knowing how hard to go not explosivity - he's got that.

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11/14/2005  1:43 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by codeunknown:

He's especially weak in the lower body - his explosion is missing on finishes in the paint.


That might be an illusion from his finesse game in the low post. The other night against GS he had a monster jam (admittedly with a full head of steam, but).

His finesse game is to be appreciated - but lets not confuse that with his weakness - well demonstrated on defense and on his occasional power moves. He's 6'11 - he should be able to throw it down on a fast break. But, when he comes to a stop in the paint, he doesn't get off the ground well. Its similar on attempted blocked shots when he's stationary. Off memory, his vertical is in the 31" range - not bad by any means for a big. But, thats not on the same level athletically as an Okafor, Howard, Chandler, Kwame Brown, Ben Wallace, Theo Ratliff etc.

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He's shown some huge ups through the first 6 games. His trouble is knowing how hard to go not explosivity - he's got that.

Thats not true. He had trouble with that in pre-season when he was obliviously racking up fouls - not so much in the regular season where he's been aggressive but less foul-prone. Again, his "ups" look great because of his long arms - but his jump itself is not powerful. His strength in the lower body is what Im getting at - and his weakness there is evident in many areas besides dunking. Randolph's weight gave him problems defensively holding position in Portland. From what I saw today, Rahim was able to move him frequently on rebounds.



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