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Why we lost in GS (analyzing the last 5 minutes of game tape)
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Killa4luv
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11/13/2005  5:33 PM
-Eddy Curry got 1 shot attempt up that was rushed and he missed it.

-Steph took a 3 with his man on him and missed.

-Craw shot a wide open 3 and clanked it.

-Eddy Curry was getting beat up and the refs finally called it, (and a tech) but he gets no respect from the refs, hopefully playing better and LB's credibility can help change that. He made his ft's.

-D. Fish bangs the 3, nobody's fault it was a good play, penetrate and dish and he made it.

-Ball is being moved, Q rich makes a bad pass to Curry which is stolen. Maybe its eddy's fault for bad positioning, or q's fault, can't really tell, but it was a TO.

-AD makes the jumper, off of Craws drive and dish and then on the next play he rotates to help (when he shouldn't have Curry was already there) and is too slow and tired (and old) to get back to Troy Murphy in time to seriously challenge a 3 point shot which goes in virtually uncontested. AD should not have been in there, Frye could have made the same mistake and recovered in time to challenge the shot.

-Next play LB subs in Malik Rose for Curry. Bad move.

-Jamal makes a clutch running floater that puts us up 1.

-Malik Rose doubles down (overcommiting) and leaves Adonal Foyle wide open for a layup at the basket, it was a bad decision, Steph was not beat and he didn't have to stand there and double BD, by putting his hands up and leaving his man wide open. B D was shooting poorly all game and would have had a tough shot to take, let him take it, don't leave a 7 footer under the basket wide open!!

-Next play, Jamal runs a pick and roll with Malik Rose (who has no business in the game in the first place) and clanks a wide open jumper. I'd much rather have Frye or Mo shooting that than Malik Rose.

-Next play, BD blatantly charges into AD and the refs call a blocking foul. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! WHen you look at the replay it is unreal how bad of a call that was. BD only makes 1 of 2. The correct call would have put AD on the line for 2. This was a killer call and could have changed the outcome of the game.

-Jamal Crawford drives to the lane and gets stripped, Game over.

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We lost that game because of poor shooting, bad substitutions and a bad call down the stretch.

We had AD and Rose in there leaving their guys open.

Frye was getting double teamed in the 2nd half, he should have been in the game.

What offensive plays was LB running? His plays seem to not work very well, is it the plays or the players? I can't tell. But I do know that if I am gonna run a pick and roll it makes a hell of a lot more sense to have Frye or Mo in there.

Curry should have been in instead of Rose at the least. He is poor defensively but was playing well.

LB is right about one thing, this is his fault. FIX IT LARRY!!!!!!
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11/13/2005  5:44 PM
Amen.
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11/13/2005  5:44 PM
Good Job, Killa!

There was also the first few minutes in the beginning of the second half, where GS committed a few over the back fouls that weren't called allowing for GS to come back into the game and re-gain their momentum and start the Knicks down fall. It definitely took away the Knicks confidence and allowed GS to steamroll from that point forward to the end result.

Anyways, I hope LB went over those last few minutes of tape and worked on fixing those players' mistakes and his as well.
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11/13/2005  5:44 PM
Lee played great in the first GS game, what changed since then?
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11/13/2005  5:57 PM
Bad calls are a part of the game, nobody knows if the person in for Malik would have made the jumper either. If GS looked at their game tape they would conclude that they should have won by more.
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11/13/2005  5:57 PM
- why no mention of the 4 offensive rebounds that led to the Fish 3?

- I believe Murphy was Curry's assisgnment.

- the Steph brain fart was huge considering NY was up 2 with the chance to stretch the lead.
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11/13/2005  6:09 PM
and that was a terrible pass from q rich
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11/13/2005  6:10 PM

Posted by rvhoss:

Lee played great in the first GS game, what changed since then?


That's a good question - why is good play not rewarded? I suspect it's more of a corporate or political thing - showcasing certain players they want to trade, etc., than a basketball thing.

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11/13/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by Knight:

Bad calls are a part of the game, nobody knows if the person in for Malik would have made the jumper either. If GS looked at their game tape they would conclude that they should have won by more.

Referee are not supposed to dictate the course of the game for any one team or player in any given game, whether it's to make calls for or ignore fouls against to give one team and advantage over another, that is wrong! But according to you, it's okay!.

They can and will make mistakes, but they should not be favoring one team or player over another.
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11/13/2005  6:22 PM
Brown's going to put in whoever can rebound. We're going to continue to see AD and Rose until Frye, Curry and Mo rebound more consistantly. AD and Rose's reputations preceed them. They put a lot of effort into offensive and defensive rebounding. Lee is another story because he DOES rebound. But when it's all said and done once the guys I mentioned rebound more consistantly Brown is going to put in vets that he feels will rebound the ball in crucial situations. He may have no choice but to run with Frye, Curry and Laee at this point. I think that's Larry's think in crucial minutes...rebounding the ball. We allowed GS a whole lot of put backs and second opportunities which I believe drives LB crazy after a solid defensive stand. No rebounds.......here comes Rose and AD. Bank on it.
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11/13/2005  6:28 PM
you sure that's when they had those 4 boards, I just watched it again and those four boards didn't result in a basket and weren't in the last 5 minutes.

Murphy was curry's assignment, hence the benching.

Every player farted brains, why only point out marbs'?
Posted by McK1:

- why no mention of the 4 offensive rebounds that led to the Fish 3?

- I believe Murphy was Curry's assisgnment.

- the Steph brain fart was huge considering NY was up 2 with the chance to stretch the lead.


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11/13/2005  6:47 PM
Posted by McK1:

- why no mention of the 4 offensive rebounds that led to the Fish 3?
Because there were no offensive rebounds that lead to that. BD dribbled up the court, drove and kicked it out and Fish banged it.
- I believe Murphy was Curry's assisgnment.
You're wrong. Curry was guarding Foyle and the play was a pick and roll with BD and Foyle.

AD was guarding Murphy ran over to help (and shouldn't have) and then was slow getting back to Murphy.
- the Steph brain fart was huge considering NY was up 2 with the chance to stretch the lead.
It was a bad shot but it was not huge. There were 4 minutes and change left in the game and he just banged a 3 a minute prior to that which tied the game up for us. It is so crazy how much of a hater you are.

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11/13/2005  6:53 PM
you sure that's when they had those 4 boards, I just watched it again and those four boards didn't result in a basket and weren't in the last 5 minutes.
He's wrong about that.
Posted by rvhoss:

Murphy was curry's assignment, hence the benching.
Incorrect. Murphy was AD's assignment there is no question about this I just watched the play again.
Every player farted brains, why only point out marbs'?
Because hes a hater!!



[Edited by - Killa4luv on 11-13-2005 6:54 PM]
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11/13/2005  7:11 PM
We lost the game b/c Larry went away from what was working in the 1st half:

Crawford pushing the ball, getting the offense rolling.

Marbury at the wing taking his defender 1-on-1.

That's what was working.


And he completely went away from it.
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11/13/2005  7:37 PM
I'm convinced larry doesn't care about wins at this point of the season, only cares about progress. And I have to agree, there is progress in each game.
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11/13/2005  7:56 PM
maybe if Larry takes a pee pee break for the last five minutes tonight we'll stand a shot. otherwise, expect Malik Rose to get scored on and miss baseline jumpers in the last two minutes and another loss.
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11/13/2005  7:58 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I'm convinced larry doesn't care about wins at this point of the season, only cares about progress. And I have to agree, there is progress in each game.


yeah, the progress in that game was amazing. Malik was able to get that shot off at the end of the game, it missed, but at least it wasn't as bad as Portland where Malik got his shot swatted right in his face.
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11/13/2005  8:34 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by McK1:

- why no mention of the 4 offensive rebounds that led to the Fish 3?
Because there were no offensive rebounds that lead to that. BD dribbled up the court, drove and kicked it out and Fish banged it.
- I believe Murphy was Curry's assisgnment.
You're wrong. Curry was guarding Foyle and the play was a pick and roll with BD and Foyle.

AD was guarding Murphy ran over to help (and shouldn't have) and then was slow getting back to Murphy.
- the Steph brain fart was huge considering NY was up 2 with the chance to stretch the lead.
It was a bad shot but it was not huge. There were 4 minutes and change left in the game and he just banged a 3 a minute prior to that which tied the game up for us. It is so crazy how much of a hater you are.


even if the 4 offensive board play wasn't for the 3, yes or no did GS score off the play.

Also,
Larry Brown in the papers pointed to the Steph fokk up as the key moment in the 4th. He is a Steph-hater as well. . Dunno know about you but Imma ride with the hall of fame coach.

If AD doubles off his man, Curry should've rotated out to cover Davis. Its called team defense. you play man to man - switching helping showing rotating are all apart of it. Curry blew the rotation.




[Edited by - McK1 on 11-13-2005 8:35 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 11-13-2005 8:37 PM]
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11/13/2005  11:42 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by McK1:

- why no mention of the 4 offensive rebounds that led to the Fish 3?
Because there were no offensive rebounds that lead to that. BD dribbled up the court, drove and kicked it out and Fish banged it.
- I believe Murphy was Curry's assisgnment.
You're wrong. Curry was guarding Foyle and the play was a pick and roll with BD and Foyle.

AD was guarding Murphy ran over to help (and shouldn't have) and then was slow getting back to Murphy.
- the Steph brain fart was huge considering NY was up 2 with the chance to stretch the lead.
It was a bad shot but it was not huge. There were 4 minutes and change left in the game and he just banged a 3 a minute prior to that which tied the game up for us. It is so crazy how much of a hater you are.


even if the 4 offensive board play wasn't for the 3, yes or no did GS score off the play.

Also,
Larry Brown in the papers pointed to the Steph fokk up as the key moment in the 4th. He is a Steph-hater as well. . Dunno know about you but Imma ride with the hall of fame coach.

If AD doubles off his man, Curry should've rotated out to cover Davis. Its called team defense. you play man to man - switching helping showing rotating are all apart of it. Curry blew the rotation.




[Edited by - McK1 on 11-13-2005 8:35 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 11-13-2005 8:37 PM]


Ok maybe you need to see the game again because what you are saying is totally ridiculous.

AD and Curry were standin shoulder to shoulder and Troy Murphy was off away from Curry. Davis was the closest. If Curry was to go over there he would have to run across Davis to get there. Its stupid and you have no clue what you are talking about. Curry didn't blow the rotation, if you could see the play again you would realize how stupid you sound.

I don't know what happened on that play with all the offensive boards.

Larry Brown said what he said about Steph because he wants to make sure he is doing exactly what he wants. Steph is the extension of the coach on the court, and he wants to be critical of him so he does exactly what he asks of him. But I wont argue about this, I don't think it was any more crucial than the Q turnover, or Craw getting stripped. Or AD and Rose blowing their assignments. But hey, lets agree to disagree on that.


[Edited by - killa4luv on 11-13-2005 11:50 PM]
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11/13/2005  11:43 PM
say something mck1.
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