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Allanfan20
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11/8/2005  10:17 AM
He's old, slow and looks like he's about ready to retire. Don't get me wrong, he still plays hard, but he's not that affective anymore, and if anything, he's completely taking the minutes away from Frye and even Lee b/c those guys earned it in pre season and even practice, while he spent the time complaining how he wanted to be with his family. Now that's all fine and good, but this is the sake of the team we're talking about. I really think we need to decrease the # of minutes he gets. I know LB loves the guy, which is understandable, but Frye and Lee are prolly better players at this point, and by giving them more minutes, the mistakes will come fewer and more far between eventually. Whether that takes a month, year or 2 years, I don't know, but it's best to start working them hard NOW, as opposed to letting them rot and then start developing them, b/c Davis Davis and Rose are playing the last years of their careers. This is our core. Rose and Davis will prolly not be here in 2 or 3 years, and Davis wont even be here NEXT year. So what's the point in giving him huge minutes. We've been losing with him getting big minutes. He's not part of our future. He wants to retire. He's old and slow. He prolly doesn't even want to be here. This isn't rocket science Larry! Let Channing play the closing minutes. He has to learn sometime. Better now while the team has low expectation to begin with!
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11/8/2005  10:18 AM
My starting frontcourt would be Ariza, Frye, and Curry with Lee the first player off the bench.
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11/8/2005  10:22 AM
The truth be told, Antonio was never that great. A big bruiser and team leader, he got a big contract from Toronto which was very stupid.

Both he and Dale Davis were always over rated. They did good next to Smits and had his back. He is a good servicable sub.

In all actuallity, we should have just kept Timmy as we could use him at the SF. I ain't all that fond of him, but just a few months of play.

Is timmy all that worse than barnes? Timmy is better. NO biggy
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11/8/2005  10:28 AM
Timmy's defense doesn't even compare to Barnes'. I'd take Barnes 9 times out of 10 considering the effort, hustle, and contract. As for Davis, yes, he's old, he's done. I've been saying that since opening night on K4L but no one seems to agree with me. I've never actually seen him fight for a rebound, he gets rebounds by default. Its hard to drop a rebound when it lands in your hand. I also don't see the defense, he's getting beat badly.
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11/8/2005  10:32 AM
Timmy is better than barnes, even when Timmy is sucking. And he can spread the defense with his jumper and he can make a 3 point shot.
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11/8/2005  10:36 AM
Why didn't he do it in New York then? Or Milwaulkee... or Philly... or Chicago...
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11/8/2005  10:46 AM
We had to give up Timmy because of Eddy's BYC contract status. Really, no great loss.

Actually, that's one loss that IS great!
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11/8/2005  10:58 AM
We could actually use Tims 3 point shooting right now, but overall, Barnes is the more dedicated player and I'd rather have him. With that being said, Tim is currently the better player and Barnes is still kinda raw, even though unskilled. His main thing will be defense, occasional scoring.

I am still happy Tim is out of Knick land, however.
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11/8/2005  12:10 PM
Timmy's 3 point shooting is a moot point, because he's F up so many other aspects of our game that you wouldn't notice that he can hit a 3. Q over Timmy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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11/8/2005  12:14 PM
I was anti davis as well, until I saw that he was averaging a healthy 8.7 rebounds a game. Still, that's in 30 minutes of playing.
Frye gets 7.5 in 20 minutes a game.
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11/8/2005  12:16 PM
Q is Waaaaay better the TT.

In terms of untapped potential, Timmy beats everyone in the league, but in terms of using what you got, Q is by far superior, he hits the three and can post up like timmy, he can give us what timmy should have been giving us...but he commands the respect of his teammates, and that's the biggest difference.

Q tries to contribute in other areas when his shooting is off (rebounds, defense)
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11/8/2005  12:19 PM
I could care less about those stats you throw at me rvhoss. Watch the game. Davis is slow and Frye is all over the place putting a hand up in everyones face and playing solid healthy help defense. The rebounds are good, but Frye and Lee and Curry can make up for that if they play more. Heck, Lee grabbed a crapload the other day against a solid rebounding Warriors team.

You see 8.7 rebounds a game, I see 3 losses, and Davis was the core of all those losses, and when the Knicks were making runs, Frye was in the middle of all of it, along with Lee and Ariza. Davis needs to have his role diminished by the day, and I could care less about his moaning and groaning. He wont be here next year anyway.
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11/8/2005  12:20 PM
to be fair AD looks nothing like the player he was last year. That means he's either out of shape, really rusty, injured or just going through the motions. I know (as we saw with Ewing) you can just come into a year, not get into the flow and next thing you realize your done. MAybe thats the case w/ AD. All that rugged play has broken him down but I suspect its one of the above.
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11/8/2005  12:23 PM
Now folks are second guessing the TT move?

Where's all the Fugazy jokes? Cats really need to stop with the blatant hypocrisy. Either folks wanted him here or not.

I am still glad he's gone, and would rather have Barnes, who shows hustle and effort on both ends of the court.
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11/8/2005  12:24 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

We could actually use Tims 3 point shooting right now, but overall, Barnes is the more dedicated player and I'd rather have him. With that being said, Tim is currently the better player and Barnes is still kinda raw, even though unskilled. His main thing will be defense, occasional scoring.

I am still happy Tim is out of Knick land, however.

Interesting Barnes is unskilled?. From what I recall alot of people were raving how good Barnes was during the pre-season, and now when it really counts he is unskilled, but can play defense, Isn't that a skill?. I would think so!. Barnes is a good defender who can handle the ball when he drives to the basket, unlike TT who can't defend and always loses the bal when he drives down to the basket. Barnes has skills since he played well in the pre-season to get a startig job now, so that means LB sees something in him as well, Isn't that why we have LB to evaluate talent and develop it has well?.

ON the subject of Crawford, didn't alot of guys say he was playing really good defense in the preseason, and now when the season starts he stinks at it?. What happened to Crawford is he had his wings clipped since he isn't in the starting lineup, and it bruised his fragile little ego, or big ego, if you will!. Crawford has to suck it up and play like a man if he does that he will find himself starting again before to long.
ALL this flip flopping about certain players skills is non-sense, it's the beginning of the season, give it time to work itself out, The players that are struggling need to look at themselves in the mirror and see that they need to start earning their time on the court by stepping up their game instead of crying about it.
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11/8/2005  12:25 PM
Maybe he is out of shape and going through the motions and experiencing the wears and tears of the NBA, but Frye and Lee are in great shape, have played solid in 2 games (1 for Lee) and have earned playing time for the next, and Frye has certainly shown that he needs the ball in his hands a lot more and deserves to play in some clutch situations at the end of the game. Would the Warriors have gotton the lead if Lee, Frye, Ariza, nate and Marbury were in it? No friggin' clue, but by the energy they were putting in, it would have been a lot harder for them to get those points that they got and Malik wouldn't have gotton his shot blocked either.
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11/8/2005  12:28 PM
Posted by attaboy2005:
Posted by Allanfan20:

We could actually use Tims 3 point shooting right now, but overall, Barnes is the more dedicated player and I'd rather have him. With that being said, Tim is currently the better player and Barnes is still kinda raw, even though unskilled. His main thing will be defense, occasional scoring.

I am still happy Tim is out of Knick land, however.

Interesting Barnes is unskilled?. From what I recall alot of people were raving how good Barnes was during the pre-season, and now when it really counts he is unskilled, but can play defense, Isn't that a skill?. I would think so!. Barnes is a good defender who can handle the ball when he drives to the basket, unlike TT who can't defend and always loses the bal when he drives down to the basket. Barnes has skills since he played well in the pre-season to get a startig job now, so that means LB sees something in him as well, Isn't that why we have LB to evaluate talent and develop it has well?.

ON the subject of Crawford, didn't alot of guys say he was playing really good defense in the preseason, and now when the season starts he stinks at it?. What happened to Crawford is he had his wings clipped since he isn't in the starting lineup, and it bruised his fragile little ego, or big ego, if you will!. Crawford has to suck it up and play like a man if he does that he will find himself starting again before to long.
ALL this flip flopping about certain players skills is non-sense, it's the beginning of the season, give it time to work itself out, The players that are struggling need to look at themselves in the mirror and see that they need to start earning their time on the court by stepping up their game instead of crying about it.


I didn't really know much about Barnes when we signed him. As a matter of fact, I confused him with Maurice Evans! But from what I see of him, he's athletic, plays hard, can jump high, can defend certain players at times, but has no shot, and not much dribbling skills. Kinda like Ariza, except not as freakishly athletic and energetic, but better at taking it to the hole.

Like I said, I would rather have Barnes than Fugazy. All I said was that his 3 pt shooting would be useful right about now.
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11/8/2005  12:28 PM
Dude, give me a break, so when are stats warranted and when can they be ignored? Everyone raves about kurts 10 boards a game and a "stiff" comes in and get 9. From what I've seen of AD, he's boxing out, positioning and basically out fundamentalling everyone to rebounds. That's the LB way.

As a stats major I understand that there are lies, damn lies and statistics, but I watch every game too, and I've seen nothing but hustle and keeping possessions alive from AD.

Go back to bashing Rose and JJ, it makes a lot more sense.

So he lumbers up and down the court, he did send one game into overtime (oh, i forgot, since we lost, nobody cares).

I'm on a Curry Frye diet, but to sit here and see one of the few players busting his tail get bashed and I can only assume that bashing is the UK way...I give up.
Posted by Allanfan20:

I could care less about those stats you throw at me rvhoss. Watch the game. Davis is slow and Frye is all over the place putting a hand up in everyones face and playing solid healthy help defense. The rebounds are good, but Frye and Lee and Curry can make up for that if they play more. Heck, Lee grabbed a crapload the other day against a solid rebounding Warriors team.

You see 8.7 rebounds a game, I see 3 losses, and Davis was the core of all those losses, and when the Knicks were making runs, Frye was in the middle of all of it, along with Lee and Ariza. Davis needs to have his role diminished by the day, and I could care less about his moaning and groaning. He wont be here next year anyway.




[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-08-2005 12:30 PM]
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11/8/2005  12:32 PM
Kurt was a little better than AD, cause of his reliable shooting but I never raved about him. I said he was a good player to have, would be great as a bench player or playing with a superstar PF or center.
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11/8/2005  12:32 PM
You just defined AD.

don't get me wrong, I could care less if he disappeared...so far he's equated to zero wins.

Let the kids take their lumps...ala eli manning last year.
Posted by Allanfan20:

Kurt was a little better than AD, cause of his reliable shooting but I never raved about him. I said he was a good player to have, would be great as a bench player or playing with a superstar PF or center.




[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-08-2005 12:33 PM]
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