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bobs3304
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11/1/2005  3:10 PM
TO NEW YORK:

Mike Miller
Bobby Jackson


TO MEMPHIS:

Q Richardson
Mike James
Malik Rose
'06 S.A. 1st (via NY)
Fut. 2nd (via TOR)


TO TORONTO:

Jake Tsakilidis
Dahntay Jones
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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Marv
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11/1/2005  3:12 PM
bobs i think q is a better player than miller and i think jackson's days best days are gone. and we're giving up a 1? i have no reason to make this deal.
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11/1/2005  3:13 PM
Q's better than either player we're getting and we're giving up a 1st rd pick?
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11/1/2005  3:15 PM
Bad Trade and Toronto get nothing in this trade. There dumb basketball people but not that dumb.
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bobs3304
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11/1/2005  3:16 PM
lmao.

Q MIGHT be equal in talent to Mike Miller.....but his value to this team is far less than Miller's would be.

Bobby Jackson isn't washed up yet. He's exactly the type of guard LB covets.

We give up the 1st Rounder b/c Memphis has to absorb Malik's contract. (same thing we had to do, and why S.A. sent US picks)
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
bobs3304
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11/1/2005  3:17 PM
Posted by mikesknicks:

Bad Trade and Toronto get nothing in this trade. There dumb basketball people but not that dumb.

They get a young, athletic combo guard and some needed size on loan in Jake...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/1/2005  3:18 PM
this trade pretty much has zero chance of happening b/c jerry west loves mike miller.
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11/1/2005  3:20 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

lmao.

Q MIGHT be equal in talent to Mike Miller.....but his value to this team is far less than Miller's would be.

Bobby Jackson isn't washed up yet. He's exactly the type of guard LB covets.

We give up the 1st Rounder b/c Memphis has to absorb Malik's contract. (same thing we had to do, and why S.A. sent US picks)


then why does he outperform him?
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11/1/2005  3:20 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

this trade pretty much has zero chance of happening b/c jerry west loves mike miller.


wasn't aware that he LOVED him...


maybe you're right. either way, MM is exactly the type of player we need right now.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/1/2005  3:24 PM
Not so sure I like this. Q IS a better player then Mike Miller, Miller is a better shooter but thats all he's limited too. Miller doesnt play very much defense and back injuries have limited him in past seasons and will continute to to plague him probably the rest of his career. Bobby Jackson; he's averaged 44 games a season the past 3 years AKA I don't want player whose injured as much as he is on this roster.

I wouldn't be totally against adding Miller to this team, just not for Q. If that means there are no possible trades the fine but I think Q offers much more to this team becuase of his ability to play inside and postup opposing 2's.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-01-2005 3:26 PM]
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bobs3304
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11/1/2005  3:26 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by bobs3304:

lmao.

Q MIGHT be equal in talent to Mike Miller.....but his value to this team is far less than Miller's would be.


then why does he outperform him?

He does?

Miller's career Averages:

13, 4, 3, 1, 45% FG, 40 % 3's


Q Rich's career Averages:

13, 5, 1.5, 1, 40 % FG, 35 % 3's






Ya....he's REALLY outperformed him.











[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-01-2005 3:27 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/1/2005  3:35 PM
Why not
Marv
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11/1/2005  3:37 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by bobs3304:

lmao.

Q MIGHT be equal in talent to Mike Miller.....but his value to this team is far less than Miller's would be.


then why does he outperform him?

He does?

Miller's career Averages:

13, 4, 3, 1, 45% FG, 40 % 3's


Q Rich's career Averages:

13, 5, 1.5, 1, 40 % FG, 35 % 3's






Ya....he's REALLY outperformed him.











[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-01-2005 3:27 PM]


look at you crowing and putting up devil signs!

well how bouit these apples - everyone knows that q's career is on the rise while miller's already giving signs of being a wilter. to wit, over the past 2 seasons q's averaged 16.1 points and 6.3 boards while mr. miller's been at 12.2 and 3.6.
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11/1/2005  3:54 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by bobs3304:

lmao.

Q MIGHT be equal in talent to Mike Miller.....but his value to this team is far less than Miller's would be.


then why does he outperform him?

He does?

Miller's career Averages:

13, 4, 3, 1, 45% FG, 40 % 3's


Q Rich's career Averages:

13, 5, 1.5, 1, 40 % FG, 35 % 3's






Ya....he's REALLY outperformed him.











[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-01-2005 3:27 PM]


look at you crowing and putting up devil signs!

well how bouit these apples - everyone knows that q's career is on the rise while miller's already giving signs of being a wilter. to wit, over the past 2 seasons q's averaged 16.1 points and 6.3 boards while mr. miller's been at 12.2 and 3.6.

Yeah, I mean the bulk of Miller's numbers come from his rookie and sophmore seasons. That's a bad sign, I would like Mike Miller in addition to Q not at the expense of him.

Per Game (Regular Season)
Name Year G MP FG FGA TP TPA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Mike Miller 351 30.62 4.98 11.08 1.69 4.29 1.70 2.24 0.68 3.47 4.15 2.74 0.72 0.28 1.61 2.50 13.35
Q Richardson 360 27.93 4.63 11.42 1.64 4.64 1.71 2.38 1.54 3.37 4.90 1.50 0.88 0.23 1.31 1.83 12.61
Difference -9 2.69 0.35 -0.34 0.05 -0.35 -0.01 -0.14 -0.86 0.10 -0.75 1.24 -0.16 0.05 0.30 0.67 0.74

Richardson has put up better numbers than Miller since the end of the 2003 season, while Miller has declined.


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11/1/2005  4:02 PM
I don't know but I think people are over rating Q.

MM might not play defense and his ppg might not be as flashy as Q's, but as a pure shooter that can punish zones and stretch defenses and open up passing lanes, I don't think there is a comparison.

Personally, I think we need to let this squad play together. However, I think we're going to see a lot of zone d played against us. And Q shooting 39% from the floor and 35% from 3 isn't, imho, going to stop the zone defenses...
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Posted by franco12:

I don't know but I think people are over rating Q.

MM might not play defense and his ppg might not be as flashy as Q's, but as a pure shooter that can punish zones and stretch defenses and open up passing lanes, I don't think there is a comparison.

Personally, I think we need to let this squad play together. However, I think we're going to see a lot of zone d played against us. And Q shooting 39% from the floor and 35% from 3 isn't, imho, going to stop the zone defenses...


All new players are over rated. We had big lame as the comback player and eastern allstar for goodness sake!
bobs3304
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11/1/2005  4:44 PM
Like I said to begin this thread...

Q may be more talented and be a better overall player...

But MM would be more VALUABLE to this team right now.


How can you even debate that?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/1/2005  4:48 PM
I think it's debatable that Miller is better than Q. I'd like Miller for this team, but I doubt Memphis would take on Malik's salary just for a first round pick. Also, we can't trade that pick until the season is over, because there's a scenario in which it could go to the Bulls. Also, Toronto likes Mike James and wouldn't give him away for nothing. He's their starting PG.
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bobs3304
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11/1/2005  4:51 PM
Well whatever.

This is not the end all of this scenario.

All I'm saying is that we need a relatively young shooter. Wally or Brent would be nice...but theyre old. MM is still young, and more athletic than the 2.

Also, everyone making a big deal about his numbers slipping.

Well DUH! He's been playing on a loaded roster for a few year now. Less touches, less minutes...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/1/2005  4:53 PM
You could just as easily say we really need a low post threat since Curry doesn't tend to average more than 26 mpg. Q provides that much better than Miller. You could just as easily say we need a good rebounder because we don't have many great rebounders for their positions. Q fits that need a lot better than Miller. You could just as easily say we need a young player on the rise not the decline. Q fits that description a lot better than Miller. I'm all for getting a good shooter but not if it creates three times as many new needs as it fills.
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