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11/1/2005  12:50 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/01/sports/basketball/01knicks.html?pagewanted=print

Thomas Hopes Knicks Will Be Able to Get There From Here
By HOWARD BECK

GREENBURGH, N.Y., Oct. 31 - From the draft in June, Isiah Thomas drew excitement. After he hired Larry Brown in July, he inspired hope. With his acquisition of Eddy Curry in October, he raised expectations.

For five months, Thomas not only revamped the Knicks roster but recast the entire spectrum of emotions and assumptions about the franchise he runs. In a relatively short period, the Knicks were transformed from old, slow and underachieving to young, athletic and too new to judge.

They are still weak in spots, too inexperienced to contend anytime soon, and in some corners of the locker room, still vastly overpaid. But when the Knicks open the season Wednesday night in Boston, they will be granted one description that has eluded them for at least four years: on the right track.

So Thomas, the Knicks' president, is upbeat if not necessarily exuberant just yet. The team has a new coaching staff, only two returning starters and 11 players added since their opening game last season, so the Knicks' identity is a mystery even to Thomas. On Monday, he again shrugged when asked if the Knicks should be a playoff team.

"I'm being honest with you, I really don't know," he said. "I know the type of talent we have and I know the type of players that we have and the coach, but until you actually see them play, you really don't know."

With 48 hours left before opening night, Brown was still not ready to announce his starting lineup. And Thomas, despite changing 70 percent of the roster in a year, could not say that this group would last the next six months together.

"We want the best players," Thomas said, "and if we can get a better player than the one we have now, yeah, we'll do that."

Long term, the Knicks' hope lies in their 2005 draft class (Nate Robinson, Channing Frye, David Lee), in their younger veterans (Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford, Quentin Richardson) and in project players like forward Trevor Ariza.

For the first time, however, Thomas stated unequivocally that winning would take precedence over developing the prospects. Robinson, Frye and Lee, in particular, will have to earn their minutes, which could be difficult given the Knicks' across-the-board depth.

"You always win now," Thomas said. "I think you develop by learning how to win. I don't think you develop by losing and learning. You win and learn.

"I know this about Coach, and any other coach: At the end of the day, they're going to put the five guys out there who they think are going to win the game for them. And I hope that's what he does. This is not about developing young players and all of that. This is the pros. You're in the pros, and you learn how to do it, and if you can't do it, then we find somebody else who can do it."

It seems most likely that Brown's 9- to 10-man rotation will initially be made up of veterans, including guards Crawford and Stephon Marbury; swingmen Quentin Richardson and Matt Barnes; power forwards Antonio Davis, Malik Rose and Maurice Taylor; and centers Curry and Jerome James. The Knicks on Monday designated three players to start the season on the inactive list: Penny Hardaway, Lee and Jackie Butler.
The caveat: everything is subject to change, and Brown's rotation could be in flux for weeks.

Brown and Thomas are bracing for a potentially rough start to the season. Brown's teams usually start slowly, and the Knicks have the added challenges of adjusting to each other and a daunting early schedule. They are on the road for 13 of their first 19 games. The Knicks close the season with 7 of their last 11 games on the road.

Although he has declined to state specific goals, Thomas said he would be disappointed if the Knicks did not make the playoffs. But the vision is more long term.

"I think after this season, after we watch them, then I think next year we can say, 'O.K., I think we should be here, we should be there,' " Thomas said. "But all these guys really have just gotten together."

REBOUNDS

Isiah Thomas essentially ruled out any pursuit of the free-agent forward George Lynch, who was waived by New Orleans on Friday. Lynch played for Larry Brown in Philadelphia and is a rugged defender. But he is 35 years old and has been slowed by a foot injury. Signing him would mean releasing Matt Barnes, who has shown great promise since signing with the Knicks last month. ... Antonio Davis, who left the team for a day to take care of personal business in Chicago, was back at practice Monday. ... Quentin Richardson will be available Wednesday night, but Brown said he would be cautious with him after Richardson missed most of October with a hamstring strain. ... Seven days after saying that Eddy Curry was not in game shape, Brown said, "He's better." Asked if Curry was ready to play 30 minutes, Brown said: "I don't know. I would hope so." Curry's weight and conditioning were a constant issue in Chicago. Curry would not reveal his weight, but said with a grin, "I'm comfortable where I am right now."



I hate that lee and butler will be on the inactive lise I know this is a game to game thing, but shouldn't lee be rewarded for outplaying malik rose in the pre-season?
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11/1/2005  1:36 AM
but hey look on the bright side, penny is on the inactive
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11/1/2005  6:19 AM
It's definitely disappointing that Lee and Butler are on the IR instead of Rose and Taylor.
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11/1/2005  6:52 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's definitely disappointing that Lee and Butler are on the IR instead of Rose and Taylor.

yea it is but malik played his ass off like always and taylor was actually pretty effective in the minutes i saw him play. plus it's much much easier on team chemisty to have rookies and fa's on the inactive list than very highly paid veterans who aren't injured and are respected in the lockeroom.

again larry's not perfect but we're gonna have a really long season if we try to micromanage everything he does. personally i'm saving my energy to focus on winning the gamepicker!
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11/1/2005  7:44 AM
Rose and Taylor, or at least one of them, is being showcased. Lee played too well in the preseason to be on the inactive list under Taylor and Rose.....
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11/1/2005  8:16 AM
Lee can't shoot. He needs work. he still gets to practice with the team but no way he claims a roster spot over 2 proven vets. Now why he isn't on the active over Jerome James
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11/1/2005  8:52 AM
at least they finally realize Penny is done
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11/1/2005  8:59 AM
we've got too many Pf's and frye is capable of playing the 4 or 5...lee and butler make sense...they are young.

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11/1/2005  9:03 AM
Posted by McK1:

Lee can't shoot. He needs work. he still gets to practice with the team but no way he claims a roster spot over 2 proven vets. Now why he isn't on the active over Jerome James
It's hard to call Taylor or Rose proven vets. Lee proved to be much more effective than either of them in the preseason. I suspect that if any coach other than Larry Brown made the same decision, people would be saying we're mortgaging our future.
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11/1/2005  9:04 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's definitely disappointing that Lee and Butler are on the IR instead of Rose and Taylor.

yea it is but malik played his ass off like always and taylor was actually pretty effective in the minutes i saw him play. plus it's much much easier on team chemisty to have rookies and fa's on the inactive list than very highly paid veterans who aren't injured and are respected in the lockeroom.

again larry's not perfect but we're gonna have a really long season if we try to micromanage everything he does. personally i'm saving my energy to focus on winning the gamepicker!

I'll give Larry the benefit of the doubt. I'm expressing my disappointment, not my disapproval.

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11/1/2005  9:06 AM
Its one game. Taylor and rose are good players and we are trying to win games right away. Butler is still not ready, and lee will be rotated.

Someone gonna pull a hammy and go on the list. ITs a game to game thing.
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11/1/2005  9:07 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Its one game. Taylor and rose are good players and we are trying to win games right away. Butler is still not ready, and lee will be rotated.

Someone gonna pull a hammy and go on the list. ITs a game to game thing.
Yeah, I just learned from another thread that it's a new rule and the list can be changed for each game. As long as Butler and Lee get significant playing time this year and get a fair shot to show whether or not they are more effective than Taylor and Rose, I'm okay with the decision.

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11/1/2005  9:15 AM
I'm surprised that with Q probably still sore, that he's not on the list- boy, Penny must be really done.
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11/1/2005  9:17 AM
Posted by McK1:

Lee can't shoot. He needs work. he still gets to practice with the team but no way he claims a roster spot over 2 proven vets. Now why he isn't on the active over Jerome James


I agree with what you said about Lee, however, Jerome James is 7 feet, wasn't in shape, but can still be useful on defense. No way he goes on that list, we will definitely need him alot more than we need the others, and he will be whipped into better shape, I could see imporvement in his speed from one game to the next.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 11-01-2005 09:19 AM]
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11/1/2005  9:20 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by McK1:

Lee can't shoot. He needs work. he still gets to practice with the team but no way he claims a roster spot over 2 proven vets. Now why he isn't on the active over Jerome James


I agree with Lee. Jerome James is 7 feet, wasn't in shape, but can still be useful on defense. No way he goes on that list, we will definitely need him alot more than we need the others.


I have a feeling that if given the playing time, Lee would be a more efficient rebounder than JJ.
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11/1/2005  9:23 AM
not so much a shot blocker or lane clogger though.

Lee will be replacing the first PF that goes down with a minor injury.

I guess this finally shoots down the Lee is a SF thing.

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[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-01-2005 09:23 AM]
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11/1/2005  9:44 AM
I am so glad to hear that Penny will not be part of the rotation for the first game....that means, our starting lineup will be: Marb, Q, Ariza or Barnes, A. Davis, Curry....Subs: Nate, Crawf, Barnes or Reezy, Mo T or Frye, James....Rose and Mo T. will and should be the odd men out. Frye outplayed both MO and Rose...
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11/1/2005  9:48 AM
I definitely would assume Crawford would be in the starting lineup Dido
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11/1/2005  9:52 AM
I don't think so...keep in mind, that Boston has a pretty strong and long starting back court. Davis and Pierce are too big for Craw and Marb to defend...Q can check Davis and either Reezy or Barnes are big, quick and strong enough to check Pierce...
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11/1/2005  10:16 AM
I don't know, but I kinda disagree with Isiah on the 'you learn to win by winning' and you earn your minutes.

Larry and everyone is saying this team is going to loose early and take a while to jell.

Fine. Personally, I'd rather watch us loose by 20 and have Lee, Frye, Nate and the younger guys getting major minutes and learning to play under fire, making mistakes and learning on the job than by loose by 2 and have to put up with JJ, Malik, AD & Mo Taylor.
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