Bobs, I wish you knew whaat you were talking about. Steph is the best and the most efficient scorer on our squad, period. J Craw hasn't showed me anything except that he has been taking it to the hole more often, which is great.

Your pg,sg argument about Steph is old and tired.

Can craw carry this team offensively?

Can craw give us 20 ppg, shooting a decent fg% over the course of an entire season?

Can craw run our offense and make solid decisions over the course of 82 games while doing that?

There is no indication that Craw can do one of those things, let alone all of them.

Steph has done it, and can do it, and is the player it makes the most sense to rely on. You like Craw, but he has NEVER done what you are saying he can do, and Steph has led teams to the playoffs before.

Everyone knows you love Craw. But maybe YOU should get over it.

The argument I am making makes infinitely more sense than yours, Craw has not displayed that he can carry a team in any way. He first needs to learn to carry his share of the offense without 2 peoples share of shots.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 10-29-2005 12:03 PM]

I think craw's problem is a low basketball IQ (maybe I should crossover and fade away for a 3?), which won't be as much of an issue with LB dictating his play. Long-term, however, craw might not be the answer at pg. He just doesn't have the instincts and can be stagnant at times while running the show. He's very good at feeding curry in the post, which will come in handy this year, and I really hope he does well. He just seems way too erratic to hand over the reigns- at times he plays brilliantly, and then he'll revert to chucker mode momentarily. I hope he can, and will change permanently under, and after LB.

That said, if we were able to trade marbs for a premiere talent, fantastic, but until that time comes, he is hands-down our best pg.

Posted by efw:

A more efficient scorer is a better scorer

EXACTLY!

Run a high post offense where Jamal or a big can find cutters.

Get Mo Taylor more involved in the game.

ROTC for the so-called "stars" on this team to help develop a LEADER!

Posted by Killa4luv:

I think this is an appropriate thread to ressurect and its only a week old. Steph needs the green light, and lets see how the D reacts to that. I think he will be able to make way more plays when his man is off balance because steph is scoring.

Steph seems scared to shoot. He's making the pass when he is open, he is trying to follow LB's way, but our offense is slow and muddled.

Craw needs to shoot more too. He only took 5 shots.

Frye needs more minutes, period. He is on the glass and he is not afraid to shoot out there, I felt good about how he played out there.

Curry needs to learn how to stay in the game.

JJ needs to stop shooting turnarounds and get better position in the paint. Someone made him think he was Patrick Ewing or something.

I like Steph. But I don't think this team will ever be very good if he has to "carry" the offense. What AI does in Philly is a difficult way to win and Marbs isn't the scorer AI is. I'd like to see us try to develope a well balanced offense. It will take time.

If it turns out we don't have the right pieces - we'll have to try to develop or acquire more pieces. Very few players can really carry an offense and it's even more difficult in the post season.

Posted by OldFan:

Posted by Killa4luv:

I think this is an appropriate thread to ressurect and its only a week old. Steph needs the green light, and lets see how the D reacts to that. I think he will be able to make way more plays when his man is off balance because steph is scoring.

Steph seems scared to shoot. He's making the pass when he is open, he is trying to follow LB's way, but our offense is slow and muddled.

Craw needs to shoot more too. He only took 5 shots.

Frye needs more minutes, period. He is on the glass and he is not afraid to shoot out there, I felt good about how he played out there.

Curry needs to learn how to stay in the game.

JJ needs to stop shooting turnarounds and get better position in the paint. Someone made him think he was Patrick Ewing or something.

I like Steph. But I don't think this team will ever be very good if he has to "carry" the offense. What AI does in Philly is a difficult way to win and Marbs isn't the scorer AI is. I'd like to see us try to develope a well balanced offense. It will take time.

If it turns out we don't have the right pieces - we'll have to try to develop or acquire more pieces. Very few players can really carry an offense and it's even more difficult in the post season.

My point is, we just lost to a team who plays a guard oriented offense. Our bigs were killing them on the boards. If we played the exact same offense, we would win that game. If Steph and Craw had the green light that Arenas and Jamison had, I think we beat them because we owned them on the boards.

Posted by OldFan:

Maybe. But I don't want to develop an offense that will win sometimes against weak teams. I want to develop an offense that will win pretty consistently against everyone. It's like playing chess a lot of players use tactics that will work against bad players consistently - but will never work against a good player. You have to teach the team to play an offensive and defensive style that will win consistently - not just in some limited circumstances.

Yeah, you're probabaly right about that. But still, we can play different teams differently as well, no?

That's why I don't understand the negative crap about Steph. He's actually playing D, Still Scoring but trying his best to stay within the offense. Its not his fault that AD was 1-9, Barnes 1-7, Q 4-14 etc. I think this will all settle down with time. We really have to allow this team to work it out. They have enough talent to win games, but right now its just not flowing. But what do you expect with so many guys coming in and some coming in LATE. No wonder we look like strangers out there sometimes.

I think this team will eventually get it going. I'm hoping that this Warriors game will give them their 1st win. Its setup for a win. We're hungry. They'll be tired coming from the West Coast. Baron may not be 100%. We have to gut this win out.

this was craw's worst game of the season. we were out of synch from the start as malik rose took 5 or 6 jumpers in the first quarter. then that BS call on steph totally took us out of anything we wanted to do. combine that with nate's bad game along with ZERO defense and it's a blowout. steph played very solid and was the only one out there that looked comfortable. we even stopped going to frye in the 2nd half. i don't know what happened but it looks like we took two HUGE steps backward.