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Ira
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10/23/2005  4:29 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/53787.htm

"If anyone can get it done, Larry can," Popovich said. "He'll create an environment where it's going to be made possible. If you show a low propensity for functioning defensively, you will have a high propensity for bench warming."

Popovich was Brown's assistant during the 2004 Olympics when Brown and Stephon Marbury did not click.

"It might've started out a little bit rough because Larry's disciplined and meticulous and Stephon may not have been used to that in the beginning but as camp went along they gained respect for each other." Popovich said. "From Steph's view, he felt Larry knew what he was talking about and he reacted well. Larry realized he needed to back up to some degree and realizes his strengths — scoring. It's like me trying to turn Tony Parker into John Stockton."
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10/23/2005  4:54 AM
I want everyone to read those last 2 lines.

That, in a nutshell, explains the type of player Marbury is (Parker too) and how you can't change your pinstripes into polka-dots...

Once a scorer, always a scorer.
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10/23/2005  4:58 AM
If Curry becomes a center who can clog the lane and intimidate guys who take it to the hole, Steph can just score. If not, there's going to be a problem.
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10/23/2005  7:57 AM
This is also another important part of the article:
Marbury said Brown told the club before Friday's game to not run any fast breaks unless off a turnover. "Coach didn't want us didn't want us to run any fast breaks so every possession we had to call a play," said Marbury. Brown said it's not experimental, he thinks the Knicks might have to be a slowdown team this season because they're not getting back on defense.
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10/23/2005  11:22 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

I want everyone to read those last 2 lines.

That, in a nutshell, explains the type of player Marbury is (Parker too) and how you can't change your pinstripes into polka-dots...

Once a scorer, always a scorer.


He did it with Chauncey Billups.
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10/23/2005  11:27 AM
good arguments...but I just get the feeling that you don't like marbs game and are not really concerned on whether or not it is productive and recognized as good for the NBA and the knicks.

To constantly dog the team's best player is killing your credibility.

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10/23/2005  12:04 PM
not letting this group run is utter folly
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10/23/2005  12:12 PM
yeah, I think brown is more concerned with fundamentals of the half court offense, which is what wins championships.

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10/23/2005  12:14 PM
not trusting larry brown is utter folly

Seriously, c'mon, this ain't Herb. Larry knows what's he's doing. In this case he's building up the D before he lets the team run. Sounds good to me. One step at a time. Patience.
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10/23/2005  12:32 PM
Running is a direct result of good defense.

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10/23/2005  12:42 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I want everyone to read those last 2 lines.

That, in a nutshell, explains the type of player Marbury is (Parker too) and how you can't change your pinstripes into polka-dots...

Once a scorer, always a scorer.
oh yeah, and those Spurs will never win anything with a guy like Parker

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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10/23/2005  12:48 PM
when I read those last 2 lines, that's what I came away with as well...I was actually proud of marbs...everyone keeps forgetting that under brown Starbury had the best scoring game in US Olympic basketball history and helped them win one of their few games in that tourney.

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10/23/2005  12:51 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

when I read those last 2 lines, that's what I came away with as well...I was actually proud of marbs...everyone keeps forgetting that under brown Starbury had the best scoring game in US Olympic basketball history and helped them win one of their few games in that tourney.

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GREAT point Hoss.
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10/23/2005  1:04 PM
Posted by tomverve:

not trusting larry brown is utter folly

Seriously, c'mon, this ain't Herb. Larry knows what's he's doing.
I love it when a "Mr. Know-it-all" poster thinks he knows the game better than Larry Brown.
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10/23/2005  1:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I love it when a "Mr. Know-it-all" poster thinks he knows the game better than Larry Brown.


Don't get me wrong, it's not like Brown (or anybody for that matter) is above all reproach, and if someone thinks he's doing something wrong I have no objection to their posting about it. But still, this is a hall of fame coach, proven through and through, over and over again. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt it's this guy. For once, I think we can sit back and not have to worry about second-guessing the coach.
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10/23/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by tomverve:

not trusting larry brown is utter folly

Seriously, c'mon, this ain't Herb. Larry knows what's he's doing.
I love it when a "Mr. Know-it-all" poster thinks he knows the game better than Larry Brown.

wait a second though. put your personal grudges aside for a sec and address the content. this team is obviously physically capable of extracting a real advantage on the court through running. frye, lee, reezy, craw, nate. why not look to see them capitalize on that? maybe the point is larry wants to establish some things first before he lets them run because he doesn't want to play into wildness. maybe he wants them to run with a certain strategy in mind. but doesn't it make sense to say that these knicks present a real potential for beating teams with their speed, ball-handling and finishing abilites? shouldn't any coach, even the apparently unassailable larry brown (with 1 championship in how many years of pro coaching) figure a way to take advantage of it?
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10/23/2005  2:10 PM
Marv, the idea is that if the team runs at every opportunity, then we'll be worse for it in the long run because we'll give up more points than we get. Doesn't make sense to pay 50 bucks to get a 30 dollar reward, right? That's what happened against Philly. After slowing it down we played Dallas tight, even dominating them in the first quarter and a half, and beat San Antonio.

Those are just preseason results so they need to be taken with a grain of salt, but still, the reasoning is there. Brown likes to run, but not if the team is worse for it. As the team gets more disciplined and settles into Brown's philosophies I'm sure we'll see the reins lifted off gradually, since Brown does like to run. It's a work in progress though, and we shouldn't forget to take that into account.
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10/23/2005  2:20 PM
tom - beautifully said. i fully agree. running done incorrectly or to an excess equates to points thrown away and/or a losing hand in a high-scoring game (who could ever forget westhead's nuggets experiment???). but conversely, committing to not running at all with a squad that possesses the capability of excelling at it represents a missed opportunity that equally throws away a potentially winning hand.
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10/23/2005  2:55 PM
I don't think Brown is shutting down the running game entirely. According to the Marbury quotes in the papers recently, Brown is just limiting the running game to come off of turnovers, otherwise he calls a halfcourt play. We did run a bit against Dallas remember. He just doesn't want the team to run off of rebounds or made shots just quite yet.
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10/23/2005  5:15 PM

Larry is keeping them from running for now. That does not mean forever.

He did not inherit a team, he is the primary driver in creating one out of Isiahs collection of players. Larry did not have the luxury of helping in the creating being added after many deals and draft. Only eddie (and some minor pieces).

This will take 20 games to figure out. Its fun.

Just cuz it works or does not on a single nite does not mean its a trend.

They must learn proper defense!
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