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curry32
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10/20/2005  6:26 PM
its on espn2, at 6:30-7:30pm. should be pretty interesting. i dont know if he'll be there or not but they will discus him and the situation around him with the dna testing and what he'll bring to the ny knicks. should be interesting to watch. sry if this was already posted.
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10/20/2005  6:27 PM
Someone please watch careful and give us a recap!!!! I can't be home at that time!!!!
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10/20/2005  6:33 PM
Yeah, keep us informed
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10/20/2005  6:39 PM
Don't worry, I'm watching it and I'll give everybody a very fair and unbiased account.
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10/20/2005  7:09 PM
i watched it. it was more of a legal view on if its morally right to test any athlete or employee of an organization. it was interesting but not as interesting as I thought it would be. there was a lawyer saying that the employee (chicago bulls) should have no right to know the dna of curry because it's subjective since its statistical and they can find another problem or what could pose as a problem of curry and not give him a contract based on something else curry may have in his family history. this is insanely biased because there are many independent factors that influence someones dna, such as staying in the sun and having mutations in your genes from many different cancer causing agents. and the agent of reggie lewis was a supporter of hte genetic testing. he said reggie lewis had all the tests just like curry did and not the dna test and they cleared him and gave him the green light to play, but he died anyway. pretty scary stuff if you ask me. there's definite reason to be concerned if your eddy curry.
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10/20/2005  7:10 PM
oh another thing i forgot to write about is that my friends brother has a different heart disease and he suffers from the same symptom as eddy curry (blackouts, fatigue, dizziness at times, etc). even if eddy curry is cleared for cardio myopic arrythmia, it could still be another heart ailment that could kill him instead.
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10/20/2005  7:33 PM
Posted by curry32:

oh another thing i forgot to write about is that my friends brother has a different heart disease and he suffers from the same symptom as eddy curry (blackouts, fatigue, dizziness at times, etc). even if eddy curry is cleared for cardio myopic arrythmia, it could still be another heart ailment that could kill him instead.


those symptoms can be a variety of things that only indirectly effect the heart. not getting enough sleep--insomnia can have those exact symptoms--your diet, your electrolite levels, adrenal glands problems, kindey problmes, migraine headaches there are a lot of benign reasons to have these types of symptoms

of course there are different types of heart problems, but there are also simple medications--like beta-andregenic blockers--some long distance runners take these--its also along the lines of what they said lance armstrong took but not as strong. simply it takes just a little pressure off your heart slows your heart beat down even at full exertion, drops your blood pressure slightly--the medication it self could bring on symptoms, but if given in very small doses that millions of people who have had rapid heartbeat im sure have been put on, its similar to taking baby aspirin for the health of your heart. He can also take omega 3 fatty acids and eat less or no meat, just fish[no shellfish]. There are a lot of simple things he can do, along with the doctors clearing him, that he should feel very comfortable, not even think about it.
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10/20/2005  7:39 PM
Posted by curry32:

the agent of reggie lewis was a supporter of hte genetic testing. he said reggie lewis had all the tests just like curry did and not the dna test and they cleared him and gave him the green light to play, but he died anyway. pretty scary stuff if you ask me. there's definite reason to be concerned if your eddy curry.

Yeah, I thought that part stood out as well. He said Reggie Lewis was cleared to play by the chief of cardiology of a hospital in Boston and affiliated with the Harvard Medical School said that Lewis' heart was fine and there was nothing wrong with his heart.

I really don't know how anybody could think that Curry's health isn't any more questionable than anybody else's on the team.
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10/20/2005  7:46 PM
everything I've read before this says Lewis was NOT cleared to play?
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10/20/2005  8:09 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

everything I've read before this says Lewis was NOT cleared to play?



exactly, I never read anywhere, where it said Lewis was cleared to play...
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10/20/2005  8:19 PM
The thing is that Curry has been tested for months now and if nothing has shown up during all those tests then its likely that he's fine. So long as he doesn't do or take anything that could put him at risk. I collapsed from a combination of my regular medicine and an over the counter Sinus medicine that had Ephedra in it. I was tested just like Curry and was cleared to excercise. I just know now not to take anything with that substance in it, cuz it could kill me.

Maybe this is what happened to Curry in some way.
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10/20/2005  9:16 PM
well another way you can see it is that these symptoms whatever they are a consequence of are coming from over exursion and strenuous excercise. i dont think curry will be getting over 30 mins a game, so i dont know, could that possibly reduce the chances of these symptoms, since he wont be playing starter minutes? my guess is that he wont because lee, frye,malik, and davis are all more of larry's type of guys than him. who knows though, he could have issues during practice
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10/20/2005  9:35 PM
Posted by curry32:

well another way you can see it is that these symptoms whatever they are a consequence of are coming from over exursion and strenuous excercise. i dont think curry will be getting over 30 mins a game, so i dont know, could that possibly reduce the chances of these symptoms, since he wont be playing starter minutes? my guess is that he wont because lee, frye,malik, and davis are all more of larry's type of guys than him. who knows though, he could have issues during practice


that is one thing a cardiologist may not take into consideration--they may make him take a stress echo and read him as normal under the pre-tense of 15 minutes of driving on a treadmill--that can dictate that one has a normal heart--that DOES NOT dictate that he can phsically withstand 30+ minutes of NBA basketball. There are a number of medicines that actually increase oxyegnation in a person's body---like the example i had above with lance armstrong or just small amounts of medicine that will take pressure off of Eddie's heart and it to beat slower, even at top exercise rates.
The human bosy is a funny thing. Remember Lance was 1-2 weeks away from death[metastatic cancer that spread to his brain] and he came back from death's door to win one of the most grueling physical races in the world 6 times. I think that if Eddie has issues, he can hire a few top guys and go through different, more vigorous on the spot testing--and they can also look into different medicines and iets that will allow him to play a full game. The thing with Eddie as I have seen it, he doesnt have fire for the game, so I doubt he would care to go the exxtra mile--he just won a huge lottery ticket--hes got his green--just like jerome james. I worry that both only have little love for the game and a lot of love for the green.
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10/20/2005  9:41 PM
this also brings me back to the draft hedge. if eddie isnt what they thought they would be getting physically--if he doesnt play 30+ minutes and play well--the knicks stink and sit in the lottery the next two years, the chicago bulls OWN the NY Knicks draft the next two years even if its greg oden and josh mcrobrts the bulls get them
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10/20/2005  10:25 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

this also brings me back to the draft hedge. if eddie isnt what they thought they would be getting physically--if he doesnt play 30+ minutes and play well--the knicks stink and sit in the lottery the next two years, the chicago bulls OWN the NY Knicks draft the next two years even if its greg oden and josh mcrobrts the bulls get them


I dont think our success is that dependant on eddy curry, Even if he plays little to no better than he's played in preseason we should still be significantly better than we were last season with davis, frye, butler, and JJ. as for the heart issues,

I've always believed that curry had secretly taken the test and didnt tell the bulls, what intelligent person wouldnt want to be sure that they dont have a fatal heart condition? even if he didnt want to take it Im sure his family would urge him to do so, also now that his career doesnt depend on it if he hasnt taken already he can take it now.

anyway Reggie Lewis was cleared to play by 1 guy, the "dream team" of doctors that originally looked at him said he had cardiomyopathy, eddy curry has been cleared to play by all the doctors he's been to, only 1 said he should take the test just to be sure, (sort of the opposite of what happend to lewis) also lewis lied about not taking drugs information that probably would have led even the 1 doctor that cleared him to play to realize he was wrong.

From that perspective Im not worried about eddy, however I still believe that he should take the test independantly to be sure, more than once and by different doctors if neccasry.

I dont however believe that the bulls had the right to force him to take the test becuase in all likelyhood he doesnt have the disease, and its eddie's life not the bull's, therfore it should be his desicion. if eddie did die his contract would come of the bulls' books and theyd get an exception to sign another player, it would be a much bigger loss to eddie(so to speak) and his family than it would be to the bulls. also it wouldnt have been as morally irresponsible as paxson made it seem to let eddie play without the test because 1. the test isnt even foolproof, and 2. it was eddie's decison not to take it not paxson's. paxson isnt eddie's father and is therefore not responsible for forcing eddie make responsible decisons. It is for these reasons that I beleive that paxson was simply trying to get eddie to play for less, just as the old guy on the SAS show said.


[Edited by - slimpack on 10-20-2005 10:48 PM]

[Edited by - slimpack on 10-21-2005 09:24 AM]
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10/20/2005  10:31 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

this also brings me back to the draft hedge. if eddie isnt what they thought they would be getting physically--if he doesnt play 30+ minutes and play well--the knicks stink and sit in the lottery the next two years, the chicago bulls OWN the NY Knicks draft the next two years even if its greg oden and josh mcrobrts the bulls get them


I dont think our success is that dependant on eddy curry, Even if he plays little to no better than he's played in preseason we should still be significantly better than we were last season with davis, frye, butler, and JJ. as for the heart issues,

I've always believed that curry had secretly had the test and didnt tell the bulls, what intelligent person wouldnt want to be sure that they dont have a fatal heart condition, even if he didnt want to take it Im sure his family would urge him to do so, also now that his career doesnt depend on it why not take it now?

anyway Reggie Lewis was cleared to play by 1 guy, the "dream team" of doctors that originally looked at him said he had the fatal disease, eddy curry has been cleared to play by all the doctors hes been to only 1 said he should take the test just to be sure, (the opposite of what happend to lewis) also lewis lied about not taking drugs information that probably would have led even the 1 doctor that cleared him to play to realize he was wrong.

From that perspective Im not worried about eddy, however I still believe that he should take the test idependantly to be sure, more than once and by different doctors if neccasry.

I dont however believe that the bulls had the right to force to take the test becuase in all likelyhood he doesnt have the disease, and its eddie's life not the bull's, therfore it should be his desicion, if eddie did die his contract would come of the bulls' books and theyd get an exception to sign another player, it would be a much bigger loss to eddie(so to speak) and his family than it would be to the bulls. also it wouldnt have been as morally irresponsible as paxson made it seem to let eddie without the test because 1. the test isnt even foolproof, and 2. it was eddie's desison not to take it not paxson's. paxson isnt eddie's father and is therefore not responsible to force eddie make responsible decisons. It is for these reasons that I beleive that paxson was simply trying to get eddie to play for less, just as the old guy on the SAS show said.

we gave up SO much, we risked so MUCH to get Curry, he better be a 30+ minute player and YES absolutely he is critical to our success. if this is botched, if the 100mm$ we gave to Curry and ft arse James goes to the shtter, we are SCREWED


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10/20/2005  11:32 PM
Sorry but just 2 months ago you said our whole season depended on Channing Frye.
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10/20/2005  11:51 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sorry but just 2 months ago you said our whole season depended on Channing Frye.


I never said the word season, I mean in terms of MULTIPLE years. Now that we have given away the house for Curry--we have no hedge to compensate for failure
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10/21/2005  2:04 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

this also brings me back to the draft hedge. if eddie isnt what they thought they would be getting physically--if he doesnt play 30+ minutes and play well--the knicks stink and sit in the lottery the next two years, the chicago bulls OWN the NY Knicks draft the next two years even if its greg oden and josh mcrobrts the bulls get them

Briggs get a hold of yourself, the bulls just own one of our picks, heck the bulls could be a lottery team in 2007 and all they do is flip flop picks with us, so if we are both 1&2 they can have oden and we take Mcroberts and call it a frigging day..

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10/21/2005  7:22 AM
a couple things... please please please stop mentioning Reggie Lews and Curry together. Reggie was not cleared to play. He got a 2nd opinion. He was not cleared to play. He got a 3rd opinion. He was told he could play. He died.

Lets say it all together now...

Every doctor that examined Eddie Curry cleared him to play.

One more time class...

Every doctor that examined Eddie Curry cleared him to play.

Originally posted by curry32:

oh another thing i forgot to write about is that my friends brother has a different heart disease and he suffers from the same symptom as eddy curry (blackouts, fatigue, dizziness at times, etc). even if eddy curry is cleared for cardio myopic arrythmia, it could still be another heart ailment that could kill him instead.
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