I don't want Herb to be the coach either. I think Brown gives them confidence. They lost the game in the first few minutes.....they came out flat and disoriented they didn't have the motivation to get back in it.

Just for example Jackie Butler got taken out when he was kicking ass on both ends of the floor and no one else was. They looked confused and had their heads down going back to the huddle.

That last game at the Garden against Dallas.....the guys were fired up from the opening tip.

I think that is the difference between a good coach and a bad one. They all say the same things but when things are going wrong. The good coach can get the guys moving in the right direction to win.

I like the Jedi master stuff ^^^^

Still Herb has more than one game as a head coach. There is nothing wrong with his sets and nothing wrong with the way he wants the guys to play. It just doesn't seem like he can sucseed the way winning coaches can. Maybe if he was coaching a crew of vets right off the bat.

Brown is a good coach because he gets the guys feeling like they can win. That's something Herb has to figure out. When his guys aren't playing right he has to figure out how to light that fire in his club.

Posted by fishmike:

it was all Herbs fault that Salmons goes to the line 20 times. Dude... your off your rocker

Herb was at fault in the 1st and 3rd quarters. I don't understand his subing. Never did. In my opinion he stayed with Mo too long. He didn't call the early timeout in the first either. He didn't stress to Curry to take his time down low. It look more like Marbury was coaching them than Herb. When he finally did get off the bench it was like too late. He should have been working the refs right from the beginning with the tight calls. But he is young too, and has a lot of learning to do too. Salmons does this every preseason he goes off then gets injured and fades away. Alot of talent.




[Edited by - pharzeone on 10-19-2005 09:18 AM]

one game? no... must we bring up herbs record last year with this team??? its not like we played hard last night and lost... we barely showed up.. i think marbury should get just as much blame for last night as herb tho... i was watching him closely his body language was terrible.. he was not into it AT ALL and if your leader is playing like that it trickles down... plus i dont like the way he yells at people with an additude... at least smile and pat him on the butt after u scream at the kid... steph doesent seem to be with the team chemistry... but yea man.. Herb is a great guy.. just not a good head coach... hes assistant material... at least for a long time untill he learns how to fire up his players

Nets fan?

Posted by fishmike:

it was all Herbs fault that Salmons goes to the line 20 times. Dude... your off your rocker

Posted by rvhoss:

by the way, herb sucks after a year and a half, not just one game.

You can't be soft spoken and coach professionals. It's just not the way in the nba...he better start yelling and/or learning when to substitue and not to.

BTW...JMHFO.

It's not even about yelling......I don't think any grown man on this earth will tolerate anyone yelling or anything like that to them.

It's about motivation. Of course you gotta yell sometimes, but you gotta motivate. If the team is struggling and all the coach can say is ok we gotta play defense.....well.....the team just lost and there is no way that can win. The coach is there to motivate motivate motivate......if the players are not repsonding then you have to find another coach.....that's why Brown is here.

Blaming Herb for last night is complete BS. The entire team played like they were lost and that isn't just because Herb was standing up on the sidelines. They're a young team and have a lot to learn, if they ever do, and that's why they looked so disjointed last night. Get used to it.

Posted by islesfan:

Blaming Herb for last night is complete BS. The entire team played like they were lost and that isn't just because Herb was standing up on the sidelines. They're a young team and have a lot to learn, if they ever do, and that's why they looked so disjointed last night. Get used to it.

Yeah but motivation is the key....there is no way your team comes out flat and there is no excuse for guys body language to look like they wanna go home early.

Don Chaney(Dear lord) Was a idiot that looked suicidal on every play. How can he lead a team to victory?

Lenny Wilkins probably needed to stay retired. He got the Knicks to score alot but he didn't prepare his teams be ready to clamp down in the 4th quarter when it counts. I think Lenny might have been out of touch as far as todays player something that Vince Carter said.

Herb is not anything like the coaches he worked under. Herb seems stern but yells once his team is already ****ed up. You got to get the guys in and tell them what they did wrong but tell them how they gotta correct it. You got to get guys thinking they can win no matter how bad they are losing.

Wow many times last year were the Knicks up and then all of a sudden lose the game when the game seemed like the Knicks were gonna get the win? Herb can't lead men. He can be a captain or a good assistant but not the Head guy.

Rest assure islesfan, Brown will not tolerate such performances. He would pull all of the vets out of the game and embarass them by playing the rookies...or better yet, he would let them play the whole game without substituting anyone