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Why is it that some N.Yorkers view Herb as a good coach?????
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diderotn
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10/19/2005  7:50 AM
I really don't get it, last night was an excellent opportunity for Herb to go in and motivate our boys into a victory, but once again, he failed. Brown took the night off and allowed Herb to direct this squad, and as a result, we got blown out by the 76ers who was without AI, Webb, and Dalembert. For a guy who is slotted to be our future headcoach, if that turns out to be true, we will be in a world of trouble. Herb is not head-coach material folks, I hope when Brown retires, someone other than Herb steps in to direct our team.
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10/19/2005  7:53 AM
it was all Herbs fault that Salmons goes to the line 20 times. Dude... your off your rocker
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10/19/2005  8:49 AM
I don't want Herb to be the coach either. I think Brown gives them confidence. They lost the game in the first few minutes.....they came out flat and disoriented they didn't have the motivation to get back in it.

Just for example Jackie Butler got taken out when he was kicking ass on both ends of the floor and no one else was. They looked confused and had their heads down going back to the huddle.

That last game at the Garden against Dallas.....the guys were fired up from the opening tip.

I think that is the difference between a good coach and a bad one. They all say the same things but when things are going wrong. The good coach can get the guys moving in the right direction to win.
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10/19/2005  8:56 AM
Fired up for opening nite. First time playihg in the garden for some! Sure it was a rush. Still lost.

Herb sucks after one game? Again, this team has many new faces, last nite was not Herbs fault.

And I'll say it again, there will be nites like last nite and I am sticking to .500 cuz our defense stinks, and our Guard play will be very spotty until our ferrel children take root and get civilized. Master Jedi Brown has to break them down and put them right.

The highs will be high, but the lows will be low! For a while, maybe for the season. It must be for them to learn!
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10/19/2005  9:06 AM
I like the Jedi master stuff ^^^^

Still Herb has more than one game as a head coach. There is nothing wrong with his sets and nothing wrong with the way he wants the guys to play. It just doesn't seem like he can sucseed the way winning coaches can. Maybe if he was coaching a crew of vets right off the bat.

Brown is a good coach because he gets the guys feeling like they can win. That's something Herb has to figure out. When his guys aren't playing right he has to figure out how to light that fire in his club.
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10/19/2005  9:16 AM
by the way, herb sucks after a year and a half, not just one game.

You can't be soft spoken and coach professionals. It's just not the way in the nba...he better start yelling and/or learning when to substitue and not to.

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10/19/2005  9:18 AM
Posted by fishmike:

it was all Herbs fault that Salmons goes to the line 20 times. Dude... your off your rocker
Herb was at fault in the 1st and 3rd quarters. I don't understand his subing. Never did. In my opinion he stayed with Mo too long. He didn't call the early timeout in the first either. He didn't stress to Curry to take his time down low. It look more like Marbury was coaching them than Herb. When he finally did get off the bench it was like too late. He should have been working the refs right from the beginning with the tight calls. But he is young too, and has a lot of learning to do too. Salmons does this every preseason he goes off then gets injured and fades away. Alot of talent.




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10/19/2005  9:24 AM
I am sorry folks, but Herb in my opinion is not head-coach material. I like the guy, but I don't want him to lead my team.
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10/19/2005  9:39 AM
one game? no... must we bring up herbs record last year with this team??? its not like we played hard last night and lost... we barely showed up.. i think marbury should get just as much blame for last night as herb tho... i was watching him closely his body language was terrible.. he was not into it AT ALL and if your leader is playing like that it trickles down... plus i dont like the way he yells at people with an additude... at least smile and pat him on the butt after u scream at the kid... steph doesent seem to be with the team chemistry... but yea man.. Herb is a great guy.. just not a good head coach... hes assistant material... at least for a long time untill he learns how to fire up his players
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10/19/2005  9:43 AM
Herb may be able to coach somewhere else, but not in new york.

And Elite, I agree, it looks like we have to bring up his record from last year, because some have no memory whatsoever...there was a reason we only won 33 games and most of us think it should have been more like 40...talent and coaching...we've upgraded both BIG TIME.

I'm still expecting 50 wins...and don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping off a building or apologizing if we win 47, it's not a contest, it's about rooting for your team.

In respect to steph...preseason game, head coach on vacation for a game...take it sleazy.
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10/19/2005  9:43 AM
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Posted by fishmike:

it was all Herbs fault that Salmons goes to the line 20 times. Dude... your off your rocker


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10/19/2005  9:59 AM
Herb is a work in progress. He isn't a prodigy. Dolan loves him so he is in the organization for the long run. Herb reminds me alot of Brian Mahoney with SJU. A man that was in the pipeline of the program for years. Quiet individual with ideas but seems to lack other intangibles. I think the good coaches either makes a player love them or hate them. No inbetween. Look at Riley and the Lakers. They are not there to win over friends. Either you get with their program or not. Herb needs to learn this. A good role model for him to follow is Carlisle. That guy doesn't care what his players think about him. He's got his plan.
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10/19/2005  10:37 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

by the way, herb sucks after a year and a half, not just one game.

You can't be soft spoken and coach professionals. It's just not the way in the nba...he better start yelling and/or learning when to substitue and not to.

BTW...JMHFO.

It's not even about yelling......I don't think any grown man on this earth will tolerate anyone yelling or anything like that to them.

It's about motivation. Of course you gotta yell sometimes, but you gotta motivate. If the team is struggling and all the coach can say is ok we gotta play defense.....well.....the team just lost and there is no way that can win. The coach is there to motivate motivate motivate......if the players are not repsonding then you have to find another coach.....that's why Brown is here.



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10/19/2005  10:44 AM
Posted by Elite:

plus i dont like the way he yells at people with an additude... at least smile and pat him on the butt after u scream at the kid...

I hate to waste posts but this says it all. These guys are the best players in the world. They know how to play.....the coach is there to get the talent in a position to win. It's not rocket science but you have to know when the team is down and how to get guys to get fired up and ready get back on the floor and make a run.

I don't think Herb can do it. It's nice to have a guy like him as an assistant to get on a player in practice or on the sideline individually.....but not to lead 15 guys into battle.

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10/19/2005  10:59 AM
Blaming Herb for last night is complete BS. The entire team played like they were lost and that isn't just because Herb was standing up on the sidelines. They're a young team and have a lot to learn, if they ever do, and that's why they looked so disjointed last night. Get used to it.
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10/19/2005  11:17 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Blaming Herb for last night is complete BS. The entire team played like they were lost and that isn't just because Herb was standing up on the sidelines. They're a young team and have a lot to learn, if they ever do, and that's why they looked so disjointed last night. Get used to it.

Huh... The man was the acting head coach. You actually made the point to blame Herb by using the term entire team played like they were lost. It could be too much practice too. Brown teams typically start off a little slow and finish strong. I think Herb takes a hit because of what he didn't do so much as anything. Not getting on the refs right off the back to protect Curry or his bigs. If you don't get on them early they will say ok I can get away with it, so when you try and protest late, they can say hey I been calling this the whole game and you didn't have a problem. I don't know if it is Mo Taylor birthday or something but he got alot of love from Herb last nite. btw, I hate this stupid dress code. now it is hard to tell the assistant coaches from the injured players. But made their were alot of suits on that bench.

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10/19/2005  11:19 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Blaming Herb for last night is complete BS. The entire team played like they were lost and that isn't just because Herb was standing up on the sidelines. They're a young team and have a lot to learn, if they ever do, and that's why they looked so disjointed last night. Get used to it.

Yeah but motivation is the key....there is no way your team comes out flat and there is no excuse for guys body language to look like they wanna go home early.

Don Chaney(Dear lord) Was a idiot that looked suicidal on every play. How can he lead a team to victory?

Lenny Wilkins probably needed to stay retired. He got the Knicks to score alot but he didn't prepare his teams be ready to clamp down in the 4th quarter when it counts. I think Lenny might have been out of touch as far as todays player something that Vince Carter said.

Herb is not anything like the coaches he worked under. Herb seems stern but yells once his team is already ****ed up. You got to get the guys in and tell them what they did wrong but tell them how they gotta correct it. You got to get guys thinking they can win no matter how bad they are losing.

Wow many times last year were the Knicks up and then all of a sudden lose the game when the game seemed like the Knicks were gonna get the win? Herb can't lead men. He can be a captain or a good assistant but not the Head guy.

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10/19/2005  11:27 AM
So what are you going to say when they play like the did last night during the regular season with Brown on the sidelines? It's guaranteed that they will but I'm betting the same people killing Herb for last night won't be saying that it means that Brown isn't a good coach.
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10/19/2005  11:34 AM
Rest assure islesfan, Brown will not tolerate such performances. He would pull all of the vets out of the game and embarass them by playing the rookies...or better yet, he would let them play the whole game without substituting anyone
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10/19/2005  12:27 PM
Brown won't have the guys sulking and coming out flat. Brown will have these guys playing to win every possesion. We may lose but I think Brown will have these guys playing hard till the end.

Islesfan......Herb has had more than one game....we witnessed half a season of Herb as the coach. I don't think Herb can lead a pro team to victory. He may have a great basketball mind but I don't think he has the ability to motivate. If he can't do that he needs to remain an assistant.

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