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Allanfan20
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10/19/2005  1:36 AM
Starting off with Trevor Ariza. It looks like he added a little beef to himself, however, the guy plays so out of control sometimes that it's frequently real bad. The guy has to look at what he's doing and not always go at 50 million miles a second.

About Butler though. He's one tough ars son of a gun. Rebounds the ball like a dog, his defense and his passing is actually solid and he has a soft touch. You can actually go to him in the low post sometimes. He and Frye are the perfect compliments to eachother. I would LOOOOOVE to see him get some extended minutes. This kinda thing just makes me a little bit more pissassed about the Jerome James signing. I like Butler more.
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10/19/2005  2:52 AM
i watched butler play he is pretty good for his age but i saw him go up for a few shots and rebounds and this guys is really sloooooooooow to getting up in the air
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10/19/2005  3:27 AM
James is just a low paid ($5 mil per) guy who adds more depth to the frontline. I doubt Brown will play him ahead of anyone who's more effective, although he will play him ahead of guys who are less effective.
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10/19/2005  3:29 AM
He's not low paid!
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10/19/2005  3:34 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's not low paid!
He's not low paid by normal standards compared to what teachers or other professionals make but he makes about at most an average amount for an NBA player. You seem to be making a big deal about one minor comment. Past your bedtime?




[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-19-2005 03:35 AM]
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10/19/2005  5:09 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's not low paid!
He's not low paid by normal standards compared to what teachers or other professionals make but he makes about at most an average amount for an NBA player. You seem to be making a big deal about one minor comment. Past your bedtime?
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-19-2005 03:35 AM]


You don't get it, he's not low paid because he's the HIGEST PAID backup center in the league !!


[Edited by - FrenchKnicks on 10-19-2005 05:09 AM]
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10/19/2005  7:46 AM
Posted by FrenchKnicks:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's not low paid!
He's not low paid by normal standards compared to what teachers or other professionals make but he makes about at most an average amount for an NBA player. You seem to be making a big deal about one minor comment. Past your bedtime?
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-19-2005 03:35 AM]


You don't get it, he's not low paid because he's the HIGEST PAID backup center in the league !!


[Edited by - FrenchKnicks on 10-19-2005 05:09 AM]
I think that would go to Theo Ratliff unless they try to get him to start again in Portland. JJ definitely wouldn't have that honor frenchie
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10/19/2005  8:00 AM
Ratliff is a starter bonnie
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10/19/2005  8:17 AM
Lets see this team with James before we say anything about regreting his deal. If we really have an interior defense that covers up a lot of space and changes shots, that's him. While Curry can be unstoppable offensively, James should provide a lot of good things defensively, even if he isn't exactly in the best shape. He will be important this season..
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10/19/2005  8:48 AM
I hate the deal but I'm not saying the guy wont contribute or play a meaningfull role. I just wish he took care of himself. How serious about BB can you be if your fat every year and out of shape?
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10/19/2005  10:06 AM
Just to point out, James is not the highest paid backup center in the league.

Blount (or Lafrentz depednding on who starts), Calvin Booth, Scot Pollard, and Nesterovic all make the same or much more than James.

Now, 5 mil per is still a lot so we'll have to see if he's worth it. But you're just being unfair if you criticize him because he's overpaid for his position. He is paid highly, but this is NY.
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10/19/2005  10:41 AM
it doesnt matter. Its not overpaying guys, its when you do it. When you have elite team as we were in the 90s and you overpay for a bench or role player nobody cares, especially here in the NY. Hell.. Chris Dudley was making like $7mm per, and everyone loved him and that anchorman hair that never moved. What bothered me was we were a lottery team trying to build a roster. You just dont do that with 30+, often injured, out of shape career back ups for big money and long term deals. So hopefully it works out for us and JJ has him moments. I'm thinking he will be like Deke was a couple years ago, when some games he didnt fit but others he had a real impact and was able to help us win a couple extra.
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10/19/2005  11:24 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's not low paid!
He's not low paid by normal standards compared to what teachers or other professionals make but he makes about at most an average amount for an NBA player. You seem to be making a big deal about one minor comment. Past your bedtime?




[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-19-2005 03:35 AM]


How can you be average and low at the same time?

And for that "average" cost, you're getting a below average player for an extended period of time where you're going to get diminishing returns.

Just another typical Isiah move where he just gets players because they happen to be available at the moment and not because they necessarily fit any plan. Of course you actually need a plan first.
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10/19/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Ratliff is a starter bonnie

No **** sherlock. Read my post again or get reading lessons Fishy
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10/19/2005  12:11 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Ratliff is a starter bonnie


Ratliff won't beat out Pryzbilla!!!!
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10/19/2005  12:17 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Starting off with Trevor Ariza. It looks like he added a little beef to himself, however, the guy plays so out of control sometimes that it's frequently real bad. The guy has to look at what he's doing and not always go at 50 million miles a second.

About Butler though. He's one tough ars son of a gun. Rebounds the ball like a dog, his defense and his passing is actually solid and he has a soft touch. You can actually go to him in the low post sometimes. He and Frye are the perfect compliments to eachother. I would LOOOOOVE to see him get some extended minutes. This kinda thing just makes me a little bit more pissassed about the Jerome James signing. I like Butler more.


You weren't talking about money but guys always gotta bring the talk back to money.

I agree with your assesment of Ariza and Butler. Ariza is a bench player right now in his career. He is basically Shandon Anderson except Ariza has a better instincts. Butler is so underrated right now. The kid is playing his position well.

No need to repeat stuff you said or that I'm saying in other threads. Me and you are watching the same game it seems.
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10/19/2005  12:23 PM
Why are you getting so testy. To me, James market value is really 1 or 2 mm. Not 5. He isn't a good bball player.
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10/19/2005  12:26 PM
Not testy. It's just a waste of time when someone (actually Fish is the only one who does it with my posts) thinks they're correcting you but they just didn't read something correctly. Maybe I'd play nicer on most days.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-19-2005 12:27 PM]
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10/19/2005  12:54 PM
Hey, let's see Jerome play a few games in a Knicks uni before we come to conclusions maybe?

As for highest backup C in the league, that's a bad myth perpetuated by sloppy beat writers and the naive readers who believe them. Ratliff is higher, and no he's not a starter, he backs up Pryzbilla nowadays. San Antonio, those sticklers of financial responsibility, have a higher paid backup C in Rasho. Mehmet Okur is a higher paid PF/C coming off the bench. Orlando has Kelvin Cato making higher bucks backing up Tony Battie. And there are others who are paid a comparable amount to JJ.

Anyway, this is all besides the point that JJ was our starter when we signed him. MLE for a starting center who can block shots isn't really that bad. No, James is not low paid, but his contract isn't really exorbitant either. You can argue it's on the high side, but most FA deals are and he fills a team need for a beefy enforcer and shot blocker in the paint.
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10/19/2005  12:55 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's not low paid!
He's not low paid by normal standards compared to what teachers or other professionals make but he makes about at most an average amount for an NBA player. You seem to be making a big deal about one minor comment. Past your bedtime?
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-19-2005 03:35 AM]

I have to agree with the others here. James is overpaid for a backup. He'd be below-average paid if he was a starter, though.

The annoyance with James stems from the fact that many didn't consider him good enough to be a starter, so thus they were annoyed with the signing since he was paid closer to starter money (thus he was expected to be a starter). Yet, now with Curry here and James as a backup, people are concerned with the fact that we're paying so much for a backup center who makes Jason Collins's stats look good.

James should be a good fit as a backup center for the Knicks. He's just overpaid for that role. Case closed.

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