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Knight
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10/17/2005  11:17 PM
NBA Player Dress Code

1. General Policy: Business Casual
Players are required to wear Business Casual attire whenever they are engaged in team or league business.

"Business Casual" attire means


A long or short-sleeved dress shirt (collared or turtleneck), and/or a sweater.
Dress slacks, khaki pants, or dress jeans.
Appropriate shoes and socks, including dress shoes, dress boots, or other presentable shoes, but not including sneakers, sandals, flip-flops, or work boots.
2. Exceptions to Business Casual

There are the following exceptions to the general policy of Business Casual attire:

a. Players In Attendance At Games But Not In Uniform

Players who are in attendance at games but not in uniform are required to wear the following additional items when seated on the bench or in the stands during the game:


Sport Coat
Dress shoes or boots, and socks
b. Players Leaving the Arena

Players leaving the arena may wear either Business Casual attire or neat warm-up suits issued by their teams.

c. Special Events or Appearances

Teams can make exceptions to the Business Casual policy for special events or player appearances where other attire is appropriate -- e.g., participation in a basketball clinic.

3. Excluded Items

The following is a list of items that players are not allowed to wear at any time while on team or league business:


Sleeveless shirts
Shorts
T-shirts, jerseys, or sports apparel (unless appropriate for the event (e.g., a basketball clinic), team-identified, and approved by the team)
Headgear of any kind while a player is sitting on the bench or in the stands at a game, during media interviews, or during a team or league event or appearance (unless appropriate for the event or appearance, team-identified, and approved by the team)
Chains, pendants, or medallions worn over the player's clothes
Sunglasses while indoors
Headphones (other than on the team bus or plane, or in the team locker room)

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Kind of harsh, don't you think?
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10/17/2005  11:46 PM
It's harsh because players have gone so overboard in how they dress now a days. I couldn't tell half of the players apart from guys on my corner.
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10/17/2005  11:49 PM
Posted by MX25:

It's harsh because players have gone so overboard in how they dress now a days. I couldn't tell half of the players apart from guys on my corner.
LOL!!! And that is exacty the look the young guys are going for.
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10/17/2005  11:50 PM
But to make what they make, are these rules really harsh?

A guy working at Fed Ex can't have any facial hair. Thats harsh because he's making 40 thousand a year if hes lucky.
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10/18/2005  12:10 AM
Yeah I have no problem with this. I can't think of any legitimate businesses that let you wear what NBA players were wearing on the sidelines and I don't see any reason why they were allowed to wear it to begin with. For any player that wants to cry about this while they are making millions, I'd like to see them try and work somewhere else in the real world.
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10/18/2005  12:17 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I don't see any reason why they were allowed to wear it to begin with.


Maybe because it doesn't matter?

I think this dress code thing is BS, but I've never liked dress codes. Who gives a damn what people wear? Really, what is the fascination with this? Does David Stern have nothing better to do than fret over the fact that Allen Iverson is wearing sweatpants? Does wearing sneakers on a team airplane make kittens' heads explode below?
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10/18/2005  12:18 AM
Yeah, I like this also, I'm tired of seeing these "Professionals" dress unprofessionally. They're millionaires in sports/business and they should look, dress, and act the part.

[Edited by - Travla on 10-18-2005 04:43 AM]
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10/18/2005  12:24 AM
im happy for this dress code being addressed because instead of a person looking like a shmata they look nice and like a pro me personally i would wear things they have for dress code causually where i go but not games though
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10/18/2005  7:37 AM
I agree with the dress code its bad enuff kids these days are trying to look like the rappers who in turn dress like people in jail, but now the basketball players look the same way. I work in jail you would be supprised how many kids in the street look just like the people do in prison. Its good that some one the kids look up to dresses with some class.
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10/18/2005  7:54 AM
First of all, Stern is to blame for what is going on in the league right now. After Jordan's retirement, he tried to find another way to attract customers by allowing guys like AI to be AI, and now he is paying for it. The dress code is good for the league and good for our society.

Posted by tomverve:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I don't see any reason why they were allowed to wear it to begin with.


Maybe because it doesn't matter?

I think this dress code thing is BS, but I've never liked dress codes. Who gives a damn what people wear? Really, what is the fascination with this? Does David Stern have nothing better to do than fret over the fact that Allen Iverson is wearing sweatpants? Does wearing sneakers on a team airplane make kittens' heads explode below?


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10/18/2005  10:17 AM
Posted by tomverve:

Maybe because it doesn't matter?

I think this dress code thing is BS, but I've never liked dress codes. Who gives a damn what people wear? Really, what is the fascination with this? Does David Stern have nothing better to do than fret over the fact that Allen Iverson is wearing sweatpants? Does wearing sneakers on a team airplane make kittens' heads explode below?


This reminds me of a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode. I don't want to go see my lawyer and have him wearing sweatpants and a cutoff t-shirt. He's a professional, so he should look professional. I've never attended a private school or anything like that but I know they have dresscodes and that's stupid because who cares, it's school. When your in the business world you should look and dress your part and athletes, not just NBA players are amongst the most wealthiest people in America, they should dress like professionals.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-18-2005 10:18 AM]
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10/18/2005  11:09 AM
It makes sense in school if, as an administrator, you want the students to focus on learning and not get caught up in fashsion-envy, questionable attire, or personal expression. Save that stuff for college and adulthood. Though it can be tough for teenagers to have to dress down, it is better for them in the long run to make that sacrifice for the sake of their education.

Increasingly, minors have a sense of entitlement they have not earned. Dress code in school, and I don't even think it needs to be uniforms, is not only good for the learning environment, but it prepares kids for the real world. You can wear what you want, but people also have the right to shun you, not hire you, not serve you, if they don't find your dress appropriate. Freedom is a two-way street.

Most NBA players will be fine with this, as most of them already adhere to said dress code. When one does NBA events, it is on the NBA's dime and the employee represents the NBA.

And, yes, some of us do care what athletes wear and how they speak. Many kids look up to them and think how they behave on TV is acceptable and normal. Most of the time, it is, because most guys are decent and have some sense. Some guys like to play up the street-thug image, and frankly, I don't want to see those people even exist, much less making millions and flaunting it on TV.

But I agree with dido (oh my god, can it be possible!?), Stern is reaping what he himself sowed.
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10/18/2005  11:18 AM
That's the problem with our society today, no one wants to follow the rules anymore. If we keep on this path, we will for sure be faced with much bigger problems. Even prisoners want to have freedom today.....damn, what's next? Crawfford and Nate are currently being killed by Brown because they don't have a clue about good fundamentals, all because they want to showboat. I am so glad for Larry and Zeke, because they are both from the old school system. I can guaranty you one thing, none of our boys will dare to protest the dress codes nor the rules that Zeke and Brown have in place. Why is it that no N.Y. players have yet to protest Steinbrenher's rules? Here is another question, why is it that those boys don't protest the rules during the draft? During the draft, they all show up wearing their suits...
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10/18/2005  11:19 AM
Its primarily an entertainment business. The reality is there is a huge amount of ethnic diversity amumg the ticketbuyers and cable subcribers. These teams not just represent the community, but the corporations that buy advertising from the teams! Thus, image is big.

Younger hip hop players and their fans want to see that kind of dress. Likewise, older fans (regardless of race) want to see a more conservative dress. Personally, I don't like my injured players looking like Flavo-flav on the bench in a warm up suite of differrent colors than the team. Likewise, do we want to see guys dressed in Biker attire? Skater punk? Goth? etc? See its not just Iverson Style or conservative. Naturally, there are not many NBA players that are going to dress that way.

In our office, we dropped causual friday cuz some of the staff and the professionals did not know what to do. We had one of our guys get upset cuz someone confused him for a repairman. He was wearing a flannel shirt, black jeans and sneakers! Yeah the dude is black, and he thought it was a race thing! WE blasted him back that if anyone looked like he did that day the same thing would have happend!

Most of us would wear kakis, a button down oxford, and loafer shoes. I always wore a tie! But thats my thing.

I am all about self expression but travel and on the bench is on company time, and thus a dress code is accpetable in my book.

I am also on record that "professionalism" need be practiced not just with dress, but with an attitude. These guys should not be trying to look like the hip hop entertainers but have their own style. They are some of the best athletes in the world, not "fat joe". Actually, this will likely be an emerging opportunity for some they can become style leaders and become models for others to follow. THus, the "Lebron" line of clothes might emerge. Just an example.
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10/18/2005  11:23 AM
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10/18/2005  11:23 AM
Dress codes are bs in general. Anybody who likes to have constraints on what they have to have on at work is out of their mind. If all of us had our way, or at least the non-control freak militay types, we woudl all have casual Fridays every day of the week.

Its kinda funny how limitin somebody self expression is considered a good thing for learning. I mean what can be better then starting to brainwash the kids into the perfect mindless submissive consumer right from the getgo and not even wate for a shot at them until they get into the real world.

Uniforms turn people into generalied manikens that are easy to deal with. The reason they do in the army is so its easier to send to theri death. Its hard to talk about loosing indivdiuals, but they once you shave them and put them into the same green unis, they are units. Saying you lost units in an operation is so much easier on your conciense then sayin you just lost men.

The reason all the bad stuff happens in school in the first place is because some kids are not assertive enough about what they want and like and their preference and veiw of the world, so the conform.

Making everybody conform to one "acceptable" standard instead is not the answer. Its just as bad as random peer pressure. Its the same way the extreme right (Fasism) is just the same thing as the extreme left (Totaletarian Communism).

Regardles, makin players ware business casual in team functions arent that bad, they are role models. But all the other crap said here about unis are good for soceity in general is total brainwashed bs.
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10/18/2005  11:23 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Its primarily an entertainment business. The reality is there is a huge amount of ethnic diversity amumg the ticketbuyers and cable subcribers. These teams not just represent the community, but the corporations that buy advertising from the teams! Thus, image is big.

Younger hip hop players and their fans want to see that kind of dress. Likewise, older fans (regardless of race) want to see a more conservative dress. Personally, I don't like my injured players looking like Flavo-flav on the bench in a warm up suite of differrent colors than the team. Likewise, do we want to see guys dressed in Biker attire? Skater punk? Goth? etc? See its not just Iverson Style or conservative. Naturally, there are not many NBA players that are going to dress that way.

In our office, we dropped causual friday cuz some of the staff and the professionals did not know what to do. We had one of our guys get upset cuz someone confused him for a repairman. He was wearing a flannel shirt, black jeans and sneakers! Yeah the dude is black, and he thought it was a race thing! WE blasted him back that if anyone looked like he did that day the same thing would have happend!

Most of us would wear kakis, a button down oxford, and loafer shoes. I always wore a tie! But thats my thing.

I am all about self expression but travel and on the bench is on company time, and thus a dress code is accpetable in my book.

I am also on record that "professionalism" need be practiced not just with dress, but with an attitude. These guys should not be trying to look like the hip hop entertainers but have their own style. They are some of the best athletes in the world, not "fat joe". Actually, this will likely be an emerging opportunity for some they can become style leaders and become models for others to follow. THus, the "Lebron" line of clothes might emerge. Just an example.


Great post, Nalod.
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10/18/2005  11:25 AM
The one player that will change that hip hop attitude is Wayde and a couple of the new cats. I am counting Frye to be in that group also. Wayde will force the other cats to follow his lead. Once he starts collecting a bunch of endorsements, other guys will have no choice but to follow his lead.
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10/18/2005  11:30 AM
Posted by diderotn:

That's the problem with our society today, no one wants to follow the rules anymore. If we keep on this path, we will for sure be faced with much bigger problems. Even prisoners want to have freedom today.....damn, what's next? Crawfford and Nate are currently being killed by Brown because they don't have a clue about good fundamentals, all because they want to showboat. I am so glad for Larry and Zeke, because they are both from the old school system. I can guaranty you one thing, none of our boys will dare to protest the dress codes nor the rules that Zeke and Brown have in place. Why is it that no N.Y. players have yet to protest Steinbrenher's rules? Here is another question, why is it that those boys don't protest the rules during the draft? During the draft, they all show up wearing their suits...

Isiah instituted a dress code last year.

Im trying to keep up with your segway of prisoners and how little nate would look in an orange (no blue) prison uni! Whats next?




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10/18/2005  11:39 AM
Posted by simrud:

Dress codes are bs in general. Anybody who likes to have constraints on what they have to have on at work is out of their mind. If all of us had our way, or at least the non-control freak militay types, we woudl all have casual Fridays every day of the week.

Its kinda funny how limitin somebody self expression is considered a good thing for learning. I mean what can be better then starting to brainwash the kids into the perfect mindless submissive consumer right from the getgo and not even wate for a shot at them until they get into the real world.

Uniforms turn people into generalied manikens that are easy to deal with. The reason they do in the army is so its easier to send to theri death. Its hard to talk about loosing indivdiuals, but they once you shave them and put them into the same green unis, they are units. Saying you lost units in an operation is so much easier on your conciense then sayin you just lost men.

The reason all the bad stuff happens in school in the first place is because some kids are not assertive enough about what they want and like and their preference and veiw of the world, so the conform.

Making everybody conform to one "acceptable" standard instead is not the answer. Its just as bad as random peer pressure. Its the same way the extreme right (Fasism) is just the same thing as the extreme left (Totaletarian Communism).

Regardles, makin players ware business casual in team functions arent that bad, they are role models. But all the other crap said here about unis are good for soceity in general is total brainwashed bs.

You bring up some good points although you seemed a bit rushed to get it out!

I would have fought tooth an nail if I had to cut my hair and wear a uni in school. But in my day, nobody got shot for wearing $200 sneakers, and we did not have Prada handbags and other status symbols in the youth market. I don't think a kid should go to school and feel rejected or have lost self esteem cuz their parents can't affort to keep them in the latest styles. Likewise, nobody should overinflate their self worth based on mateial goods.

In good time, they all will be in the real world, but in school this crap is a distraction for the kids.

On the NBA, I would hope that first and formost they are a TEAM. No "I" in team, and thus either they all look good, or all dress in Pajamas! So I think its a good idea to put some uniformity to it. Allan Iverson is part of a team! Allan will find a way to distiguish himself.

Most folks like uniformality. Mob mentality applies to the way they vote, horde to churchs, join gangs, clubs, associations, etc.


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