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fishmike
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10/5/2005  11:24 AM
I have read to many articles with writers talking about how irresponsible Curry and Isiah are, and how Curry could drop dead like Reggie Lewis, etc.

I wanted to start a thread void of any opinion (unless its from a doctor) so we could get some better info and understanding. Feel free to contribute. I will post more as time allows.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/Arrhythmias/tb/1843

Its a long but good article. A couple points to sum up:
Curry HAS been cleared by team doctors to play. The DNA test just a precautionary recommendation to get more information as the possibility exists that Curry's condition could develop into something more serious.

Reggie Lewis was NOT cleared to play
For sports fans and medical observers alike, Curry's case is hauntingly familiar. In 1993, Boston Celtics star Reggie Lewis collapsed on the parquet floor of the old Boston Garden during a playoff game.


He was diagnosed by the so-called "Dream Team" of 12 respected cardiologists as having exercise-related ventricular tachycardia, a condition that would likely have ended his career. But Lewis, who didn't want to hear that he should never play again, sought a second opinion, and was told by a second set of doctors that he had probably collapsed due to neurogenic (vasovagal) syncope, a manageable and non-life-threatening condition. A few days after getting this apparent reprieve, the 27-year-old collapsed while shooting baskets on a practice court, and died.

So for starters lets end the Reggie Lewis comparisons. Curry was NEVER told not to play by any doctor. The second opinion he sought was regarding whether or not a DNA test was worth it, not (like in Lewis's case) if his condition was life threatening as had been determined by a "dream team" set of doctors.

Ok... I'm starting to feel a little better about this

more to come...


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10/5/2005  11:28 AM
What is Genetic Testing?

Genetic tests use a variety of laboratory techniques to determine if a person has a genetic condition or disease or is likely to get the disease. Individuals may wish to be tested if:
- There is a family history of one specific disease.
- They show symptoms of a genetic disorder,
- They are concerned about passing on a genetic problem to their children.

Genetic tests include techniques to examine genes or markers near the genes. Direct testing for diseases such as cystic fibrosis and sickle cell anemia come from an analysis of an individual's specific genes. A technique called linkage analysis, or indirect testing, is used when the gene cannot be directly identified but can be located within a specific region of a chromosome. This testing requires additional DNA from an affected family member for comparison. Because each person's DNA is unique (except for identical twins), genetic tests also can be used for individual identification ("DNA fingerprinting").

Genetic testing is a complex process, and the results depend both on reliable laboratory procedures and accurate interpretation of results. Tests also vary in sensitivity , that is, their ability to detect mutations or to detect all patients who have or will get the disease. Interpretation of test results is often complex even for trained physicians and other health care specialists. When interpreting the results of any genetic test, one must take into account the probability of false positive or false negative test results. Special training is required to be able to analyze and convey information about genetic testing to affected individuals and their families.

Types of Genetic Testing

- Carrier Identification includes genetic tests used by couples whose families have a history of recessive genetic disorders and who are considering having children. Three common tests include those for cystic fibrosis, Tay-Sachs disease, and sickle-cell trait.

- Prenatal Diagnosis is genetic testing of a fetus. This may occur when there is a risk of bearing a child with genes associated with mental retardation or physical deterioration. Down Syndrome is one of the most common genetic diseases screened by this method.

- Newborn Screening is frequently done as a preventative health measure. Tests usually have clear benefit to the newborn because treatment is available. Phenylketonuria and congenital hypothyroidism are conditions for which testing is conducted in all 50 states.

- Late-onset Disorders include adult diseases such as cancer and heart disease. These diseases are complex and have both genetic and environmental causes. Genetic tests may indicate a susceptibility or predisposition for these diseases. There are diseases caused by single genes, such as Huntington's disease, that also are seen later in life and can be tested at any time.

Identification of genetic information belonging to a specific individual has received a great deal of press coverage lately. Profiles (aka "DNA fingerprints") are complied from the results of DNA testing for one or more genetic markers to identify unique characteristics of an individual. This information is currently used in legal cases involving paternity and in criminal investigations, and it can be used in time of major accidents, disasters, or wars to identify those who have died.


Ethical, Legal, and Social Issues in Genetic Testing

Information from genetic testing can affect the lives of individuals and their families. In addition to personal and family issues, genetic disease or susceptibility may have implications for employment and insurance. Therefore, careful consideration in the handling of this information is very important. Critical issues include:

Privacy - the rights of individuals to maintain privacy. Some genetic tests are required or strongly encouraged for developing fetuses and newborn babies. If an infant is found to be a carrier or likely to develop or be affected by an inherited disease, these findings may affect the future employability or insurability of the individual.

Informed consent - obtaining permission to do genetic testing. One must have knowledge of the risks, benefits, effectiveness, and alternatives to testing in order to understand the implications of genetic testing.

Confidentiality - acknowledgment that genetic information is sensitive and access should to limited to those authorized to receive it. Future access to a person's genetic information also should be limited.

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10/5/2005  11:34 AM
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/publicat/judges/judge.html

Except for rare forms of these disorders that are inherited in some families, single mutated genes associated with complex diseases are not considered causative. Rather, they confer a susceptibility to their bearers and, given the right combinations of genes and environmental factors, will allow a disease to develop. Untangling the genetic and environmental contributions to complex disease will be one of the greatest challenges for medical researchers in the next century.


Essentially saying environmental conditions are a big issue and test data is pretty subjective. Unless your testing for Alzhiemers, Hundington's disease, cicle cell anemia and a couple others (sorry for my bad spelling) DNA testing as a standard is pretty dodgy
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10/5/2005  11:35 AM
good read

appreciate it
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10/5/2005  11:35 AM
Good thread, fish. This is a good way to put an end to the "what ifs" and all the senseless overspeculating. Maybe now, fans won't sound as foolish as some of these idiot sportswriters.
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10/5/2005  11:39 AM
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5731/81

This one essentially says that DNA testing can be usefull in determining if the person has a predisposition to something that may or may not develop

Many conditions, including various cancers, heart attacks, lupus, and depression, likely arise when a particular mix of genes collides with something in the environment, such as nicotine or a fatty diet. These multigene interactions are subtler and knottier than the single gene drivers of diseases such as hemophilia and cystic fibrosis; spotting them calls for statistical inspiration and rigorous experiments repeated again and again to guard against introducing unproven gene tests into the clinic. And determining treatment strategies will be no less complex: Last summer, for example, a team of scientists linked 124 different genes to resistance to four leukemia drugs.

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10/5/2005  11:46 AM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Good thread, fish. This is a good way to put an end to the "what ifs" and all the senseless overspeculating. Maybe now, fans won't sound as foolish as some of these idiot sportswriters.
thanks... I had to do this for 2 reasons. The main one is my own sanity. If it was a Reggie Lewis type situation I dont know if I could watch. When you read the facts there what he did cost him his life. This isnt the same thing... not by a long shot and I'm really glad. Thrilled. Selfishly as a Knick fan and happy for Eddie as a family man with little one's myself.

The other reason is a simple quest for the truth. Its pretty obvious the flow of knee jerk articles that are flowing from this. Too bad these guys didnt do the 20 minutes of research that I did to get some real answers before they spout their opinions and conjure images of Eddie dead on the Garden floor. Thats pretty irresponsible.

[Edited by - fishmike on 10-05-2005 11:47 AM]
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10/5/2005  11:48 AM
him taking the DNA test would only establish if he might develop the condition- not that he has it or would necessarialy develop it.

Here is the thing though- if its genetic, then there would be a family history of relatives dying early due to heart failure. I would think most of that info (death certificates, etc) is in the public domain and a private investigator could easily did up the facts, i.e., 2nd cousin on mothers side died, age 29, apparant cause, heart attack. third uncle, died 43, heart attack...
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10/5/2005  12:07 PM
Posted by franco12:

him taking the DNA test would only establish if he might develop the condition- not that he has it or would necessarialy develop it.

Here is the thing though- if its genetic, then there would be a family history of relatives dying early due to heart failure. I would think most of that info (death certificates, etc) is in the public domain and a private investigator could easily did up the facts, i.e., 2nd cousin on mothers side died, age 29, apparant cause, heart attack. third uncle, died 43, heart attack...

true, true, but also remember that Curry is placed under highly stressful athletic conditions that may put someone at further (or accelerated) risk.


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10/5/2005  12:14 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Good thread, fish. This is a good way to put an end to the "what ifs" and all the senseless overspeculating. Maybe now, fans won't sound as foolish as some of these idiot sportswriters.
thanks... I had to do this for 2 reasons. The main one is my own sanity. If it was a Reggie Lewis type situation I dont know if I could watch. When you read the facts there what he did cost him his life. This isnt the same thing... not by a long shot and I'm really glad. Thrilled. Selfishly as a Knick fan and happy for Eddie as a family man with little one's myself.

The other reason is a simple quest for the truth. Its pretty obvious the flow of knee jerk articles that are flowing from this. Too bad these guys didnt do the 20 minutes of research that I did to get some real answers before they spout their opinions and conjure images of Eddie dead on the Garden floor. Thats pretty irresponsible.

[Edited by - fishmike on 10-05-2005 11:47 AM]

Fish, great thread. I agree that the media is being completely irresponsible here. You know there will be reactionary medical "experts" all over ESPN screaming that Curry needs a DNA test. But genetic profiling is and should be illegal.

Looking at these facts, it seems that Curry should be cleared to play, probably with regular check-ups and echocardiograms (sp?).
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10/5/2005  12:17 PM
Posted by franco12:

him taking the DNA test would only establish if he might develop the condition- not that he has it or would necessarialy develop it.

Here is the thing though- if its genetic, then there would be a family history of relatives dying early due to heart failure. I would think most of that info (death certificates, etc) is in the public domain and a private investigator could easily did up the facts, i.e., 2nd cousin on mothers side died, age 29, apparant cause, heart attack. third uncle, died 43, heart attack...
not necessarily, a genetic condition could be present that never manifested itself in any of his relatives. If everyone had a reasonably healthy diet and exercise a heart problem may never have shown up in family history.

The best Eddie could learn from this test is this: That he may have a predisposition to a particular disease or condition. Based on that he could adjust diet and other environmental factors accordingly. This *could* provide valuable information to Eddie. There is no predicting the future with this.


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10/5/2005  12:19 PM
Reggie Lewis was extremely tragic. His wife trying to sue the doctors. But you are right that was their defense in the civil suit, that Lewis ignored their advice. Also I am very concern about the bias of this all because a number of players have reported irregular heartbeats (great story about Steph's trouble at GT) and I haven't ever heard that their team required them to take a DNA test about the trait that may be link to past family history.
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10/5/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by franco12:

him taking the DNA test would only establish if he might develop the condition- not that he has it or would necessarialy develop it.

Here is the thing though- if its genetic, then there would be a family history of relatives dying early due to heart failure. I would think most of that info (death certificates, etc) is in the public domain and a private investigator could easily did up the facts, i.e., 2nd cousin on mothers side died, age 29, apparant cause, heart attack. third uncle, died 43, heart attack...

Paxson is now denying (as he must or the Bulls could be sued big time by Curry and the Union) reports that he hired private investigators to check on Curry's family medical history and there is a belief that the Curry already took the DNA test but witheld the results from Paxson.
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10/5/2005  12:28 PM
here is a good description of the condition the one expert thought Curry might have that resulted in all this concern regarding a DNA Test

http://www.mayoclinic.org/hypertrophic-cardiomyopathy/
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10/5/2005  12:32 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by franco12:

him taking the DNA test would only establish if he might develop the condition- not that he has it or would necessarialy develop it.

Here is the thing though- if its genetic, then there would be a family history of relatives dying early due to heart failure. I would think most of that info (death certificates, etc) is in the public domain and a private investigator could easily did up the facts, i.e., 2nd cousin on mothers side died, age 29, apparant cause, heart attack. third uncle, died 43, heart attack...

Paxson is now denying (as he must or the Bulls could be sued big time by Curry and the Union) reports that he hired private investigators to check on Curry's family medical history and there is a belief that the Curry already took the DNA test but witheld the results from Paxson.


Really? I'm surprised they could sue. A lot of the info is in the public domain. Unless there was a watergate style break in to check files in a doctors office.

Interesting though. Wonder if he got any info as a result that lead him to lowballing curry.
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10/5/2005  12:53 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Good thread, fish. This is a good way to put an end to the "what ifs" and all the senseless overspeculating. Maybe now, fans won't sound as foolish as some of these idiot sportswriters.

"another jughead plan, pushing DNA for the man! BUt if you want a good story now, just think of Ed, Oh ho, cuz Eddies dead!"

Dead Ed is a much better story. There is controvesy on this and its a good arguable issue to debate. Of course the media will beat on Paxon (lets be real, he represents Reinsdorf) if Eddie is just fine and performs well. Eddie Dies, Isiah and the Knicks are Satans team. The media will have it either way.

Its the world in which we live.

ONe thing, the MEdia did not shelve Eddie, his docs did. The media did not request DNA, the Bulls (lawyers) did. THe Media did not refuse (publicly) the DNA test, Eddie did. The media did not Trade for Eddie, Isiah (Dolan) did.

The media does not make this stuff up, it just makes it BIGGER!

When Isiah said way back that the team has to find unconventional ways to obtain players, he was not kidding!

Whats next? Amputees? Robo Players? Bringing back the dead? Cloneing?

Isiah got a cloneing factory down in Argentina run by some wacked refugee Nazis!




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10/5/2005  1:36 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Good thread, fish. This is a good way to put an end to the "what ifs" and all the senseless overspeculating. Maybe now, fans won't sound as foolish as some of these idiot sportswriters.
thanks... I had to do this for 2 reasons. The main one is my own sanity. If it was a Reggie Lewis type situation I dont know if I could watch. When you read the facts there what he did cost him his life. This isnt the same thing... not by a long shot and I'm really glad. Thrilled. Selfishly as a Knick fan and happy for Eddie as a family man with little one's myself.

The other reason is a simple quest for the truth. Its pretty obvious the flow of knee jerk articles that are flowing from this. Too bad these guys didnt do the 20 minutes of research that I did to get some real answers before they spout their opinions and conjure images of Eddie dead on the Garden floor. Thats pretty irresponsible.

[Edited by - fishmike on 10-05-2005 11:47 AM]


good research fish, this makes me feel better also. Not just for me, but for curry's wife and kids, in the end outside of our selfish reasons, that is what matters the most...
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thanks for posting this on realgm fish, I was about to ask you do do so....
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10/5/2005  1:44 PM
Y'know this Minnesota Dr. is probably recommending the DNA test for everyone with any symptom. That's what specialists do. They push protocols and gather data.
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10/5/2005  2:17 PM
bottom line is he's cleared to play, and was cleared by the same guy that wanted him to do a DNA test, and Phil is probably right. The data is just as much for the Dr. at UCLA then for Curry.

I'm feeling GREAT about this trade, this team and this kid. Having a more mature Curry and Crawford just saved us 3 years of rebuilding. Its really wild. I officially up my ISiah grade to A-
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