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9/29/2005  7:09 PM

Larry Brown says Allan Houston was ``best player'' on Knicks last season

By CHRIS SHERIDAN, AP Basketball Writer
September 29, 2005
NEW YORK (AP) -- Allan Houston was the ``best player'' on the New York Knicks last season.

At least that's the opinion of incoming coach Larry Brown, who plans to have the chronically sore-kneed shooting guard ready to go when training camp begins next week.

Meeting with reporters Thursday for the first time since he was hired, Brown had only complimentary things to say regarding nearly everything Knick-related -- from Jerome James' desire to Nate Robinson's potential to Maurice Taylor's enthusiasm.

Brown even said he anticipated working again with Stephon Marbury, although he may have slighted the self-proclaimed best point guard in the NBA during the process.

Asked to give his impression of what went wrong for the Knicks last season after they ended December with a 16-13 record, Brown brought up the knee injury that has kept Houston sidelined for the better part of the past two seasons.

``They started out pretty darn good, but when you lose an Allan Houston, you know, your best player, it's pretty difficult to overcome that,'' Brown said.

Houston was indeed the Knicks' best player a few years back, but it's been a long time since the two-time All-Star consistently displayed the smooth shooting stroke that earned him more than $150 million worth of contracts over a 12-year NBA career.

Chronic knee soreness ended Houston's season Jan. 19, causing him to miss New York's final 44 games, and he averaged only 11.9 points while shooting 41 percent from the field -- his lowest numbers since his rookie season of 1993-94.

Houston's last good year came in 2002-03 when he averaged a career-high 22.5 points.

The 34-year-old has been working out recently at the team's suburban practice facility, taking part in shooting and agility drills but not yet scrimmaging.

``He told me that he'll be ready on Tuesday,'' Brown said.

Still, it won't a surprise when the team arrives for camp in Charleston, S.C., if Houston decides to recuperate at his own pace as he did last season when he also missed the first 18 regular-season games.

``It's huge if he's able to go from Day One,'' said team president Isiah Thomas.

Brown coached Houston on the 2000 U.S. Olympic team and the 1999 Olympic qualifying team, developing a comfort level he couldn't duplicate last summer while tutoring Marbury on a U.S. team that lost three times in Athens and finished a disappointing third.

Brown and Marbury feuded to such a degree on the team's pre-Olympic tour that Brown wanted to replace Marbury on the roster just before the team went to Greece. The two eventually had a meeting to clear the air, and Marbury broke the single-game U.S. scoring record with 31 points in a quarterfinal victory over Spain.

``After that conversation everything was very positive,'' Brown said. ``I thought he really bought into what we were trying to do. It was not a great experience for me, the fact that we lost, but it was a great experience to see his growth.''

With the Knicks last season, Marbury averaged 21.7 points and 8.1 assists while shooting 46 percent -- number that Brown pointed to in discussing Marbury's talents.

Thomas denied rumors over the summer that he was shopping Marbury around the league, although it was impossible to tell if the team president -- who upon taking the Knicks job promised reporters he'd lie to them -- was being entirely truthful.

Brown certainly said nothing Thursday to disparage Marbury, but there was a discernible fondness when he spoke of Houston that was absent when the subject turned to Marbury.

``Basically he's told me he'll do whatever it takes,'' Brown said. ``He has this burning desire to be successful here and see the Knicks win, and I think we feel the same way.''


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9/29/2005  7:33 PM
I hope he isnt ****ing serious! Even when healthy, Houston isnt better than Stephon Marbury. I dont want my favorite team to be coached by a retard.
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9/29/2005  7:39 PM
dj, can you give me a link please. I wanna send this story to a few other Knick fans that dont post on Ultimate and I am too lazy to look. Thanks.
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9/29/2005  7:39 PM
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9/29/2005  8:52 PM
Houston is still not scrimmaging?
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9/29/2005  9:16 PM
This is insane. My hopes for this season just sunk a lot.
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9/29/2005  10:03 PM
I don't see this interview as cause for alarm. Maybe he judges the best player by who is paid the most. I look at whatever Allan can contribute as an added bonus at this stage of things. This team can and will get it on, with or without Allan Houston. Larry's good enough to get the benefit of the doubt IMO. Let's wait until training camp starts and see how things come together before the season opener.

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9/29/2005  10:21 PM
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9/29/2005  10:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


Larry Brown says Allan Houston was ``best player'' on Knicks last season

By CHRIS SHERIDAN, AP Basketball Writer
September 29, 2005
NEW YORK (AP) -- Allan Houston was the ``best player'' on the New York Knicks last season.

At least that's the opinion of incoming coach Larry Brown, who plans to have the chronically sore-kneed shooting guard ready to go when training camp begins next week.

Meeting with reporters Thursday for the first time since he was hired, Brown had only complimentary things to say regarding nearly everything Knick-related -- from Jerome James' desire to Nate Robinson's potential to Maurice Taylor's enthusiasm.

Brown even said he anticipated working again with Stephon Marbury, although he may have slighted the self-proclaimed best point guard in the NBA during the process.

Asked to give his impression of what went wrong for the Knicks last season after they ended December with a 16-13 record, Brown brought up the knee injury that has kept Houston sidelined for the better part of the past two seasons.

``They started out pretty darn good, but when you lose an Allan Houston, you know, your best player, it's pretty difficult to overcome that,'' Brown said.

Houston was indeed the Knicks' best player a few years back, but it's been a long time since the two-time All-Star consistently displayed the smooth shooting stroke that earned him more than $150 million worth of contracts over a 12-year NBA career.

Chronic knee soreness ended Houston's season Jan. 19, causing him to miss New York's final 44 games, and he averaged only 11.9 points while shooting 41 percent from the field -- his lowest numbers since his rookie season of 1993-94.

Houston's last good year came in 2002-03 when he averaged a career-high 22.5 points.

The 34-year-old has been working out recently at the team's suburban practice facility, taking part in shooting and agility drills but not yet scrimmaging.

``He told me that he'll be ready on Tuesday,'' Brown said.

Still, it won't a surprise when the team arrives for camp in Charleston, S.C., if Houston decides to recuperate at his own pace as he did last season when he also missed the first 18 regular-season games.

``It's huge if he's able to go from Day One,'' said team president Isiah Thomas.

Brown coached Houston on the 2000 U.S. Olympic team and the 1999 Olympic qualifying team, developing a comfort level he couldn't duplicate last summer while tutoring Marbury on a U.S. team that lost three times in Athens and finished a disappointing third.

Brown and Marbury feuded to such a degree on the team's pre-Olympic tour that Brown wanted to replace Marbury on the roster just before the team went to Greece. The two eventually had a meeting to clear the air, and Marbury broke the single-game U.S. scoring record with 31 points in a quarterfinal victory over Spain.

``After that conversation everything was very positive,'' Brown said. ``I thought he really bought into what we were trying to do. It was not a great experience for me, the fact that we lost, but it was a great experience to see his growth.''

With the Knicks last season, Marbury averaged 21.7 points and 8.1 assists while shooting 46 percent -- number that Brown pointed to in discussing Marbury's talents.

Thomas denied rumors over the summer that he was shopping Marbury around the league, although it was impossible to tell if the team president -- who upon taking the Knicks job promised reporters he'd lie to them -- was being entirely truthful.

Brown certainly said nothing Thursday to disparage Marbury, but there was a discernible fondness when he spoke of Houston that was absent when the subject turned to Marbury.

``Basically he's told me he'll do whatever it takes,'' Brown said. ``He has this burning desire to be successful here and see the Knicks win, and I think we feel the same way.''




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9/29/2005  10:47 PM
H2O didn't lose his skills, he was injured. There's a big diffference. Had he been healthy I'd expect he would have continued to put up 20 pt seasons. H2O is the longtime Knick and deserves the respect Brown gave him. I don't take it as a slight against Steph. We all know what Steph can and has done for this team. The Media just wants to start trouble already. They'll be looking for any little instance to use as a headline. They can't wait to drive a wedge between LB and Steph.
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9/29/2005  10:48 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I hope he isnt ****ing serious! Even when healthy, Houston isnt better than Stephon Marbury. I dont want my favorite team to be coached by a retard.


I will say this, when healthy, Houston was a better crunch time player than marbury. Houston made a lot of big shots for the knicks when they needed them...
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9/29/2005  10:54 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Did everyone miss the Mo T props?
anyone can be enthusiastic. jordan was enthusiastic about playing baseball, that does'nt mean he was good at it.


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9/29/2005  11:01 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I hope he isnt ****ing serious! Even when healthy, Houston isnt better than Stephon Marbury.
My reaction too. He could only say that if he has a personal problem with Marbury or has some crazy motive that we don't understand.

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9/29/2005  11:08 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Silverfuel:

I hope he isnt ****ing serious! Even when healthy, Houston isnt better than Stephon Marbury. I dont want my favorite team to be coached by a retard.
I will say this, when healthy, Houston was a better crunch time player than marbury. Houston made a lot of big shots for the knicks when they needed them...
Before last season, I remember Steph being plenty clutch on and not on the Knicks. Not taking anything away from Houston being good in the "clutch", but he isnt in the same league as Marbury when it comes to basketball skills. Houston is a good jumpshooter and scored 20 points a game for 2 years. Stephon Marbury has averaged 20 points and 8 assits for his entire career. He shot 46% from the field last year and scored 21.7 pts/game while averaging 8 assists.

Best player on the team last year was Stephon Marbury.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-29-2005 11:16 PM]
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9/29/2005  11:10 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Silverfuel:

I hope he isnt ****ing serious! Even when healthy, Houston isnt better than Stephon Marbury. I dont want my favorite team to be coached by a retard.
I will say this, when healthy, Houston was a better crunch time player than marbury. Houston made a lot of big shots for the knicks when they needed them...
Before last season, I remember Steph being plenty clutch on and not on the Knicks. Not taking anything away from Houston being good in the "clutch", he isnt in the same league as Marbury when it comes to basketball skills. Houston is a good jumpshooter and scored 20 points a game for 2 years. Stephon Marbury has averaged 20 points and 8 assits for his entire career. He shot 46% from the field last year and scored 21.7 pts/game while averaging 8 assists.

Best player on the team last year was Stephon Marbury.
It takes a healthy Houston one to two weeks to get as many assists as Marbury gets a game.

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9/29/2005  11:15 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The Media just wants to start trouble already. They'll be looking for any little instance to use as a headline. They can't wait to drive a wedge between LB and Steph.
This is a direct quote from Larry Brown.
``They started out pretty darn good, but when you lose an Allan Houston, you know, your best player, it's pretty difficult to overcome that,'' Brown said.
This means, we need to depend on Allan Houston to stay "pretty darn good." This means we can look forward to more depending on Allan Houston and our entire season depends on his injury prone knees. This means we are moving backward instead of forward.

This has nothing to do with the media wanting to drive a wedge between Brown and Steph. This has to do with Larry Brown saying something he better not mean or we are F**KED
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9/29/2005  11:17 PM
All I know is IF H2O is healthy we're gonna be one hell of a tough team.

Steph, JC & N8
Q & H2O
TT & Ariza
Sweets & Mo
JJ & Frye

I like this group a LOT :)
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9/29/2005  11:27 PM
It goes without saying that we will be better with him than without him. Being a tough team however is different, I would like that defined.
Posted by nixluva:

All I know is IF H2O is healthy we're gonna be one hell of a tough team.
In your honest and unbaised opinion, can you rank the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference when Allan Houston is healthy.
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9/29/2005  11:29 PM
^ to respond to silverfuel's question, I think the question is obviously not about how good we can be offensively, but whether we can develop any semblance of an identity defensively. The players we depend on to score are not renowned defenders and that has to change in order for the knicks to be truly considered a "good" team.
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9/29/2005  11:41 PM
Guys, stop eating and disecting every single phrase and turning it inside and out and commenting on the intent or puncuation!

Its a preseason love fest to generate some PR, sell tickets and get you eating out of their hands. we will read every report to see Allans progress, and that is exactly what they want. We will tune in to see him play, and advertisers love it.

Its not a hidden conspiricy, just preseason hype to kick around and enjoy!

Its pretty simple for allan and the team, if he can go, he is a major asset and deserves every chance. If he sucks, he'll retire and we'll say nice things and buh-bye. If he plays, Larry can throw Craw in the dog house until he learns and play Q. Meanwhile Nate can sit tight and learn. its all good.

Odds are Allan is a no go, but somtimes two years to heal is not unusual and we at least owe him one more good shot! Look at KT, he lost 2.5 seasons and has been a rock for a very long time. Granted, he was much younter. Grant Hill had 5 surgeries in 4 years and made a nice return at 32. It happens.

And at a press conference, its all love!
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