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diderotn
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9/1/2005  7:05 AM
I can't believe how good this organization is. They have it all, and teams around the league need to start copying the way they do buziness. They have an excellent coach, owner, the best player in the league, and a great team. They don't overpay for anyone, and most of all, they are very well balance talent wise. The Knicks are not far behind, but they will never be as good as the Spurs until they get a new owner.....
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9/1/2005  8:11 AM
They tanked and got Duncan. They then made great decisions to surround a player they never deserved with the perfect supporting cast.
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9/1/2005  8:33 AM
Like Bonn said, that best in the league stuff would mean nothing if they couldnt draft Tim Duncan. Luck played a BIG PART in their success.
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9/1/2005  8:44 AM
Well when we drafted ewing, i didn't see FAs flocking to Ny to play with a future hall-a-famer, like shaq and duncan. As a matter of fact the only FA ewing help get was Allan houston. Thats 1 guy in 12 years.
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9/1/2005  8:49 AM
Posted by knicks1248:

Well when we drafted ewing, i didn't see FAs flocking to Ny to play with a future hall-a-famer, like shaq and duncan. As a matter of fact the only FA ewing help get was Allan houston. Thats 1 guy in 12 years.


Ouch, we're gonna start hearing from the 'go-under-the-cap' fanatics now
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9/1/2005  9:04 AM
Posted by FrenchKnicks:
Posted by knicks1248:

Well when we drafted ewing, i didn't see FAs flocking to Ny to play with a future hall-a-famer, like shaq and duncan. As a matter of fact the only FA ewing help get was Allan houston. Thats 1 guy in 12 years.


Ouch, we're gonna start hearing from the 'go-under-the-cap' fanatics now



Yeah I don't wanna see a thread full of that **** again.

The Knicks are fine. Money is not an issue. Isiah has everything spread out in front of him. Penny and Timmy are dead men walking and the team is stacked with youth at every position. Isiah has the chips stacked for a good future and with Larry Brown here things are looking up.

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9/1/2005  9:12 AM
the guy made a good point when he spoke upon the Knicks drafting Ewing and the Spurs drafting Duncan

now allow me to also make a good point. the league is desperately watered down than it was in the days of lottery Ewing

meaning you really had to be a dynasty team to win a championship then opposed to now
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9/1/2005  10:04 AM
Bonn! you said it best....they tanked to get Duncan. The Knicks could have done the same exact thing this season, but they chose to play all of their vets instead of the rookies...Poor decisions from our part..


Posted by Bonn1997:

They tanked and got Duncan. They then made great decisions to surround a player they never deserved with the perfect supporting cast.


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9/1/2005  10:08 AM
Robinson blew out his back.

Boston had the worst record. SA got it by lotto balls spinning their way.

THey have handled Duncan and the team with the utmost professionaism and build a team the right way. The Knicks starphuched themselves with players to surround Ewing. SA drafting and being PATIENT with guys like parker and Mano is the key.

We would have fallen over ourselves to trade draft picks for finley!

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9/1/2005  10:37 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Robinson blew out his back.

Boston had the worst record. SA got it by lotto balls spinning their way.

THey have handled Duncan and the team with the utmost professionaism and build a team the right way. The Knicks starphuched themselves with players to surround Ewing. SA drafting and being PATIENT with guys like parker and Mano is the key.

We would have fallen over ourselves to trade draft picks for finley!

Yes dido, its ok to admire the Spurs. This does not make you a hater!


Even if they didn't have Duncan, they've got a way of spotting talent- Manu, Parker- and picking up the right free agents- Horry.

This is what I don't understand- the Knicks spend more money on salaries, but somehow we can't discover talent over in Europe? Is there anything in the CBA that keeps Isiah or Dolan from hiring 100 scouts to cover every basketball player in Europe, South America, in the Olympics?

That way, we at least stand a chance of drafting the next Manu, instead of trading the pick away...
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9/1/2005  11:17 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Nalod:

Robinson blew out his back.

Boston had the worst record. SA got it by lotto balls spinning their way.

THey have handled Duncan and the team with the utmost professionaism and build a team the right way. The Knicks starphuched themselves with players to surround Ewing. SA drafting and being PATIENT with guys like parker and Mano is the key.

We would have fallen over ourselves to trade draft picks for finley!

Yes dido, its ok to admire the Spurs. This does not make you a hater!


Even if they didn't have Duncan, they've got a way of spotting talent-
That talent would look mediocre without Duncan. They'd be a 40 win team with some decent players that nobody cared about.

This is what I don't understand- the Knicks spend more money on salaries, but somehow we can't discover talent over in Europe?
I think Isiah HAS done a good job of spotting talent. He's added a lot of talented young players. I don't care if they're from Europe or the US. I'd be no more excited about Nate, Ariza, Lee, and Frye if they had been born in Europe.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09-01-2005 11:39 AM]
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9/1/2005  11:18 AM
I agree Dido. I said this in the thread about the Spurs getting Finley. With Duncan and they guys that they have surrounded him with (almost all young key players) I just don't see them NOT winning the championship for the forseeable future. Yeah maybe they might lose to the Heat this year but they will be in finals and thats where their going to be for the next 5-6 years. The NFL Patriots and the Spurs are verrrry similar, it's all about that one superstar (Brady, Duncan) and the rest being interchangable parts that ALWAYS work.
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9/1/2005  11:24 AM
Nobody spots talent over in Europe the way the Spurs scouts do. They have the best international scouts in the league. Also, as was stated already, they didn't tank anything, Robinson was hurt and that's why they sucked. Boston had the worst record and two lottery picks but they ended up picking 3-6 instead of first. Lotto balls bounce the way they do and that's just the way it is. The thing is San Antonio never just sat on Duncan and expected him to do it all, like the Knicks did with Patrick. Maybe they learned from our failed (only in terms of not winning a championship, of course) ventures with Patrick and used it to make sure they didn't make the same mistakes. They are a first class orginization and players will want to go there to compete/win championships for as long as Duncan remains.
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9/1/2005  11:25 AM
Posted by franco12:

Even if they didn't have Duncan, they've got a way of spotting talent- Manu, Parker- and picking up the right free agents- Horry.

This is what I don't understand- the Knicks spend more money on salaries, but somehow we can't discover talent over in Europe? Is there anything in the CBA that keeps Isiah or Dolan from hiring 100 scouts to cover every basketball player in Europe, South America, in the Olympics?

That way, we at least stand a chance of drafting the next Manu, instead of trading the pick away...
You are right, they are a good franchise. They make a lot of good moves and sorround their franchise player with excellent talent. What makes them champions is that they have Duncan. There are other teams that make very good moves. There are teams that recognize great talent in Europe. Sac-town and Dallas have very good talent but they dont have what San Antonio has. The biggest reason they are the best in the league because they have Duncan.

Franco: I hope I did not insult your intelligence because I am sure you already knew everything I said. You make sense all the time so I am sure I did not tell you anything new. I just wanted to say that if you replace a franchise player with Duncan, teams like Sacramento, Dallas, Memphis or even Toronto, could be considered the best organization.
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9/1/2005  11:28 AM
Posted by Bernard30:

Nobody spots talent over in Europe the way the Spurs scouts do.
I honeslty think Sacramento has THE BEST international scouts closely folowed by Dallas and San Antonio. San Antonio is a very good organization though and like you said, they could have just sat on Duncan like the Knicks sat on Ewing.
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9/1/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Robinson blew out his back.

Boston had the worst record. SA got it by lotto balls spinning their way.

THey have handled Duncan and the team with the utmost professionaism and build a team the right way. The Knicks starphuched themselves with players to surround Ewing. SA drafting and being PATIENT with guys like parker and Mano is the key.

We would have fallen over ourselves to trade draft picks for finley!

Yes dido, its ok to admire the Spurs. This does not make you a hater!

I don't know if I can agree with that totally. when the knicks got ewing, they also drafted gerald wilkins and had guys like ken Banister and eddie lee wilkins, then later drafted marc jackson and traded bill cartwrong for oakley, then they added guys like X-man and johnny newman. In between we had the washed up kiki vandewhe's and ro blackmans but I didn't think we starphuched at first if at all during the ewing era, but that is just my opinion..



[Edited by - tkf on 09-01-2005 11:49 AM]

[Edited by - tkf on 09-01-2005 11:50 AM]
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9/1/2005  11:53 AM
let me add, that guys like starks, and mason whom we also added during the ewing tenure wre not stars, but taken off the scrap heap. Now if you consider us getting guys way past their primes like mo cheeks and LJ star phuching then I agree to some point, but LJ IMO had some good years here and to me goes down as one of the best knicks I have seen. He became the heart and soul of that team for a while..
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9/1/2005  1:05 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

the guy made a good point when he spoke upon the Knicks drafting Ewing and the Spurs drafting Duncan

now allow me to also make a good point. the league is desperately watered down than it was in the days of lottery Ewing

meaning you really had to be a dynasty team to win a championship then opposed to now

spurs and lakers were, the pistons made it back to back finals twice.
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9/1/2005  1:10 PM
Starks and Mason were mental midgets. Time has added to their legend, but those two were not good under pressure and inconsistant!

We could have had a core of Mark Jax, and Strickland. Newman was a journeyman, and X-man was defected merchindise whom fell apart. Trading Mark Jax for Charles Smith was a crime! The sense of urgency was no logical back then. Gerald Wilkens had moments but mainly we waited and waited for the family genes to take hold!

Im sorry, my view of the Golden 90's is not as many here remember it. I thought the teams were flawed most of the times.

Most likey, I am part right,and of course the Bulls are largely to blame. Ali had Frizier, and were were it!

This is old hat, argued many times. I thought the oakley trade was great by the way. Charlie Ward unfortunatly could not take his game to the next level as he was expected.
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9/1/2005  1:44 PM
Nalod, i think all your points are fair, but the teams of the 90's had 1 key flaw, & his name was Michael Jordan.
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