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djsunyc
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Pacers back on top of the East
By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider


Last summer, more than 90 players changed teams. Two of the top-five players in the league -- Shaquille O'Neal and Tracy McGrady -- were traded. And several top free agents, including Kenyon Martin and Steve Nash, bolted for greener grass elsewhere.

This summer, things have been much quieter. Just over 50 players have changed teams. The most prominent free agent to bolt for a new team? Joe Johnson. The most notable player traded? Antoine Walker.

But the relative quiet this summer doesn't mean the status quo will prevail next season. Insider breaks down how this summer's moves will likely reshuffle the standings in the East.

Ford's Projected 2005-06 Standings in the East


2005-06 Eastern Conference Forecast


1. Indiana Pacers
Major additions: Ron Artest, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Danny Granger

Major subtractions: Reggie Miller, Dale Davis, James Jones

The skinny: Placing the Pacers at No. 1 has little to do with what they did this summer. It has everything to do with what they didn't do last season. With major suspensions for Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson, the Pacers still managed to make a heroic run into the second round of the playoffs. The loss of Miller will be a major blow. But the Pacers are hoping that Jasikevicius (who has anchored three straight Euroleague title teams) will bring with him some of Reggie's fourth quarter swagger. The Pacers are also crossing their fingers that their last two first-round picks, David Harrison and Granger -- as well as the immensely talented and always injured Jonathan Bender -- will play big roles. But just like last year, the season hinges on Artest. If he's focused, the Pacers have a chance to be the best team in the league. If he flips out one more time, he'll do irreparable damage.


2. Miami Heat
Major additions: Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, James Posey, Wayne Simien

Major subtractions: Eddie Jones, Keyon Dooling, Rasual Butler

The skinny: The Heat know they have about two, maybe three, more years of the semi-dominant Shaquille O'Neal left (despite giving him a five-year extension this summer). So Pat Riley took a major gamble by bringing in talented (and troubled) scorers such as Walker and Williams to put around Shaq and Dwyane Wade. We'll see whether it works. It reminds me a lot of what Kevin McHale and the Timberwolves did two seasons ago when they traded for Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell to help Kevin Garnett. It almost worked the first season and then blew up in year two. Will it take a full year for this one to backfire in Miami? There aren't enough basketballs in the East for Shaq, Wade, Walker and Williams, let alone Miami. If Michael Finley comes aboard, it will even be more ridiculous. Meanwhile, the team will be filled with players (Wade and Posey excepted) who have no interest in playing defense or team ball. It may work in the regular season, but I don't think the Heat are any closer to winning a title.


3. Detroit Pistons
Major additions: Dale Davis, Jason Maxiell

Major subtractions: None

The skinny: The Pistons are well positioned to keep up their dominant ways. Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton are in their primes. Tayshaun Prince continues to improve. Ben and Rasheed Wallace, along with Antonio McDyess, still have plenty of gas left in the tank. The ugly departure of Larry Brown provides the motivation for the veteran Pistons players to prove that it was them, not Brown, who fueled the Pistons' engine. But if the Pistons are going to get past the Pacers and Heat, they will have to get something from at least one of their young players. Darko Milicic, Carlos Delfino and Carlos Arroyo were all disappointments last season. Some blame Brown. Others wonder if the players themselves were at fault. This year Darko and company have no excuses. Pistons president Joe Dumars and new head coach Flip Saunders agree they need more depth and would like their young guys to provide it. If Darko, Delfino or Arroyo can't deliver, the Pistons will have to start talking about trades.


4. New Jersey Nets
Major additions: Jeff McInnis, Marc Jackson, Antoine Wright

Major subtractions: Brian Scalabrine, Ron Mercer

The skinny: Had the Nets not scuttled the trade for Shareef Abdur-Rahim over a questionable physical, they would've been right in the scrum with the Pistons, Heat and Pacers for the Eastern Conference crown. Without him, they slip to the second tier of teams in the East. The additions they've made, along with a healthy Jason Kidd, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson and an improving Nenad Krstic, should make them a very dangerous team.


5. Cleveland Cavs
Major additions: Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall

Major subtractions: Jeff McInnis

The skinny: So far, so good for new GM Danny Ferry. He might have overpaid Hughes and missed opportunities to replace Zydrunas Ilgauskas with someone younger. But the major goal this summer was to put a team on the floor that should be able to compete in the playoffs. On paper, it looks like the mission has been accomplished. If Hughes plays anything like he did last season, LeBron James has a legit All-Star as a sidekick. Marshall remains one of the most underrated players in the league and the team also has high hopes for last year's rookie surprise, Anderson Varejao. If the Cavaliers get some good minutes from Luke Jackson, they might be dangerous. However, the lack of a solid starting point guard and great perimeter shooters should keep the Cavs from seriously challenging for the Eastern Conference title.


6. Washington Wizards
Major additions: Caron Butler, Antonio Daniels, Chucky Atkins

Major subtractions: Larry Hughes, Kwame Brown, Juan Dixon

The skinny: It's tough to get a great read on the Wizards. The loss of Hughes was huge, though it's tough to blame GM Ernie Grunfeld for refusing to give Hughes $70 million. Butler, Daniels and Atkins are all capable replacements for Hughes. Butler doesn't quite have Hughes' versatility, but he's a great addition who'll give head coach Eddie Jordan another potent scorer. The question mark is Daniels. He's coming off the best season of his career, but he just turned 30 years old. How much does he have left? If he can still play great defense and help Gilbert Arenas out at the point, the Wizards should be able to keep pace with what they did last season.


7. Chicago Bulls
Major additions: Eddie Basden

Major subtractions: None

The skinny: At first blush, it appears GM John Paxson hasn't done much to improve on a stellar season last year. But don't judge him too harshly. Paxson has been patiently waiting out restricted free agents Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry. He knows he has the upper hand at the negotiating table and has (rightfully) refused to overpay to keep either. More important, Paxson knows he has a young team that's going to need time to grow and mature. With tons of cap space coming to the Bulls next summer, he's keeping his options open and trying to make a big splash next summer on the free-agent market. It's the right call for a team with one of the brightest futures in the league.


8. Milwaukee Bucks
Major additions: Andrew Bogut, Bobby Simmons

Major subtractions: Zaza Pachulia, Calvin Booth

The skinny: The Bucks hit the jackpot in May when they won the draft lottery. Although I still think they should've taken Marvin Williams, Bogut was a very solid choice who should immediately contribute. GM Larry Harris' luck continued this summer. Re-signing Michael Redd and Dan Gadzuric and landing Simmons via free agency was huge -- as is the potential return of T.J. Ford at the point. The Bucks have athletes. They have depth. They have an inside-out game. If Terry Stotts is as good a coach as George Karl claims he is, the Bucks will make a serious run at a return to the playoffs.


9. Philadelphia 76'ers
Major additions: Steven Hunter

Major subtractions: Marc Jackson, Aaron McKie

The skinny: It looks like two teams will likely challenge the Bucks for the eighth seed in the East: the Sixers and Knicks. The Sixers didn't make any major moves this summer (though replacing Jim O'Brien with Mo Cheeks should extinguish a few fires in the locker room) but they didn't really need to. Allen Iverson is coming off an impressive season and Chris Webber should fit in better with Cheeks at the helm. But more important is the development of two of their key young players: Samuel Dalembert and Andre Iguodala. Dalembert was the leading rebounder in the first round of the playoffs against the best front line in the East (Detroit). Iguodala is the type of all-around player (he defends, rebounds, handles the ball and can score a little) that coaches covet. Toward the end of the season, it was clear several teams made a major mistake passing on Iguodala in the draft. If Dalembert and Iguodala continue to develop, the Sixers should be right back in the playoff hunt.


10. NY Knicks
Major additions: Quentin Richardson, Jerome James, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson

Major subtractions: Kurt Thomas, Jerome Williams

The skinny: Let the soap opera begin. Larry Brown's arrival has created a firestorm of expectations. Can Larry live up to them? Isiah Thomas did a decent job of getting Brown some more talent to work with. Richardson and Robinson, especially, could provide a big impact next year. But is the combo of Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Richardson, Tim Thomas, Malik Rose, James, Fyre and Mike Sweetney enough to put the Knicks over the top? There are way too many players on the Knicks' roster who aren't Larry Brown type players. Can he get Marbury and Crawford to play his way? If he can, the Knicks should be a strong playoff contender, a feat that would be among Brown's greatest. If he can't, Brown will want changes -- quickly. Will Isiah swallow his pride and dump his two biggest acquisitions since taking over the Knicks? Either way, the Knicks will be the biggest story of 2005. That may be all Isiah was looking for in the first place.


11. Boston Celtics
Major additions: Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Brian Scalabrine, Curtis Borchardt

Major subtractions: Antoine Walker, Gary Payton

The skinny: Danny Ainge has drafted well the last two seasons ... maybe too well. The Celtics currently have 10 players on their roster with two or fewer years of NBA experience. Paul Pierce is good, but he and Ricky Davis can't carry the team by themselves. For the Celtics to make the playoffs again this season, they're going to have to get major contributions from players who might not be ready to make them. Of all the young players on their roster, Al Jefferson, Delonte West and Tony Allen have the best chance of having breakout years. But given the steep competition in the East this year, will it be enough to put the Celtics over the top? In two more years, we might be referring to the Celtics as the best young team in basketball. But this year might be tough.


12. Orlando Magic
Major additions: Keyon Dooling

Major subtractions: Doug Christie

The skinny: Never let a hockey guy run an NBA team. That was the lesson owner Rich DeVos learned the hard way last season. Former GM John Weisbrod traded away Tracy McGrady and promising rookie Anderson Varejao just when the Magic's fortune was beginning to turn. Grant Hill was finally healthy. The Magic finally landed their big man with No. 1 pick Dwight Howard. Instead, the Magic are now treading water with an unhappy Steve Francis and with a first-round pick who has decided he prefers Spain to Orlando. To be fair, the last mistake, taking Fran Vasquez at No. 11 despite some serious evidence that he didn't want to play in the NBA, wasn't Weisbrod's decision. But it was the latest in a long line of bad luck moves for the Magic. With no major additions this summer (Dooling's 5.2 ppg don't count) it's tough to see the Magic doing anything special in the East this season.



13. Toronto Raptors
Major additions: Charlie Villanueva, Joey Graham, Jose Calderon

Major subtractions: Donyell Marshall

The skinny: New GM Rob Babcock got off to a rocky start in Toronto last season. He blew the draft (selecting Rafael Araujo over Andre Iguodala, Al Jefferson and Josh and J.R. Smith) then gave away the only star the Raptors had ever known in Vince Carter. This summer hasn't been much better. Babcock inspired gasps for a second straight draft when he selected Villanueva at No. 7 (and Graham at No. 16 over Granger and Green) and then failed to get a top-flight free agent to Toronto for the second straight season. The team still has major holes at center and the point, which is never good news. If Villanueva doesn't pan out, it's hard to imagine Babcock lasting the year in Toronto.


14. Atlanta Hawks
Major additions: Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Zaza Pachulia

Major subtractions: Boris Diaw

The skinny: Johnson is a nice, complementary player. But is he really worth invoking divorce proceedings over? Steve Belkin might have been a lousy, cheap, inflexible owner (at least that's how his enemies portray him) but he was right, on principle, to hold up the Johnson deal. Seventy million dollars was too much for Johnson, let alone two protected future first-round picks and a former first rounder. Will Johnson help the team? Yes. But not as much as he helped the Suns last season. Changing positions and becoming the focus of opposing teams' defensive efforts may just be too much for the laid-back Johnson to handle. The good news is that the Hawks landed Williams in the draft and still have lots of money to spend in the future. Now, if they could just find a way to swap Al Harrington or Josh Childress for a legit center.


15. Charlotte Bobcats
Major additions: Raymond Felton, Sean May, Jake Voskuhl

Major subtractions: Jason Hart

The skinny: Despite a few bad bounces of the ping-pong balls (either Chris Paul or Marvin Williams would've been perfect in a Bobcats uniform) the plan remains unchanged in Charlotte. The Bobcats will continue to build slowly through the draft, maintain their cap flexibility, and prepare to make a big splash next summer in the free-agent market. Felton and May were nice draft pick-ups, but I think the Bobcats made a major mistake letting Granger slip away. Everyone in Charlotte is crossing their fingers that Felton and May provide more of a draw and that the team gets luckier in the lottery next season. Given the improved competition in the East, the Bobcats should have the best chance of landing the top pick in the draft.



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djsunyc
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8/29/2005  11:58 AM
i love it - "not larry brown type of players".

you mean like mark jackson, reggie miller and rik smits?

or how about charles smith?

i HATE that term. LB has adjusted to the different type of players he has ever had.
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8/29/2005  12:11 PM
Add Derrick Coleman to the list who Larry (and Larry alone) LOVED. Go figure.
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8/29/2005  12:15 PM
Larry Brown would NEVER get along with players like Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups. I can't see that working. No way would that work.
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8/29/2005  1:24 PM
This is what I'm talking about...I don't think anybody knows what to expect. You know where I stand (see sig)
10. NY Knicks
Major additions: Quentin Richardson, Jerome James, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson

Major subtractions: Kurt Thomas, Jerome Williams

The skinny: Let the soap opera begin. Larry Brown's arrival has created a firestorm of expectations. Can Larry live up to them? Isiah Thomas did a decent job of getting Brown some more talent to work with. Richardson and Robinson, especially, could provide a big impact next year. But is the combo of Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Richardson, Tim Thomas, Malik Rose, James, Fyre and Mike Sweetney enough to put the Knicks over the top? There are way too many players on the Knicks' roster who aren't Larry Brown type players. Can he get Marbury and Crawford to play his way? If he can, the Knicks should be a strong playoff contender, a feat that would be among Brown's greatest. If he can't, Brown will want changes -- quickly. Will Isiah swallow his pride and dump his two biggest acquisitions since taking over the Knicks? Either way, the Knicks will be the biggest story of 2005. That may be all Isiah was looking for in the first place.
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8/29/2005  2:17 PM
Chad is just one of the MANY biased media guys who hates the Knicks. I can't wait to shove all this negative talk down their collective throats when this team has a good season this year. They act like LB has had nothing but choir boys on every team he's had. Like he had teams full of John Stockton types or something. Come on. LB is great because he can adapt to ANY type of roster. He only wants that his players give 110%. IF not they sit. Its that simple.

Its funny cuz you always hear that LB is so demanding. Really tho he's not expecting too much, from guys who are being paid unreal amounts of money to do a job and they should at the least have the right attitude about doing what they're told and playing hard. Chad says we dont have a lot of LB types, but we do have a lot of guys who are coachable and don't cause trouble. We don't really have any bad guys on this team. I think once he works with these guys he's gonna love them. Think about it, there are a lot of really good guys on this team.
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8/29/2005  2:24 PM
you know, with all the craziness, I'd completely forgotten that we have a very coachable roster...Fugazy, did everything he was told, Marbs, while he scowls, he does what he's told. Crawford, well, he's young , but the list is endless...our 2 year or less experience quartet of N8, Lee, Frye and Reezy are sponges from great programs.

I think the rooks and youth were the reason brown came back...if you ignore the high priced players, we pretty much are rebuilding, but the notion that he has to play people based on salary was killed the day Zeke arrived.

No matter what, it's gonna be awesome...i wish I could get tickets to the practices, because I think nate/craw/reezy/lee/frye could give marbs/q/tt/rose/JJ a run (pun intended) for their money.

If LB wants to make me jump out of my seat, MASS SUBSTITUTIONS!!!

Posted by nixluva:

Chad says we dont have a lot of LB types, but we do have a lot of guys who are coachable and don't cause trouble. We don't really have any bad guys on this team. I think once he works with these guys he's gonna love them. Think about it, there are a lot of really good guys on this team.


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Posted by rvhoss:

This is what I'm talking about...I don't think anybody knows what to expect. You know where I stand (see sig)
10. NY Knicks
Major additions: Quentin Richardson, Jerome James, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson

Major subtractions: Kurt Thomas, Jerome Williams

The skinny: Let the soap opera begin. Larry Brown's arrival has created a firestorm of expectations. Can Larry live up to them? Isiah Thomas did a decent job of getting Brown some more talent to work with. Richardson and Robinson, especially, could provide a big impact next year. But is the combo of Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Richardson, Tim Thomas, Malik Rose, James, Fyre and Mike Sweetney enough to put the Knicks over the top? There are way too many players on the Knicks' roster who aren't Larry Brown type players. Can he get Marbury and Crawford to play his way? If he can, the Knicks should be a strong playoff contender, a feat that would be among Brown's greatest. If he can't, Brown will want changes -- quickly. Will Isiah swallow his pride and dump his two biggest acquisitions since taking over the Knicks? Either way, the Knicks will be the biggest story of 2005. That may be all Isiah was looking for in the first place.


Yeah, you stand with your shoulders firmly pressed against Isiah's buttcheeks.

I thought this was a very fair assessment of the east. Although I probably would have put the Bulls at 6 ahead of the Wiz. I thought what he said about Paxson said a lot about what a good GM would do. Patience, refusing to overpay and keeping all options open, financial and otherwise are the hallmarks of a good GM. Not the throw it against the wall, see what sticks and then overpay in terms of dollars and years with little regard to how it all fits mentality that we're stuck with.
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you shouldn't talk about your mother like that.
Posted by islesfan:


Yeah, you stand with your shoulders firmly pressed against Isiah's buttcheeks.


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^^ great comeback... I have to write that down.

I do think its a coachable roster and one that has a number of players that are adaptable and versatile. That being said its hard for me to imagine the process not taking a year. I hope I'm wrong and these guys come charging out of the gate, but I think this is fair. Chad didnt say we would have a bad season. He said we would compete for a playoff spot. After a 33 win season I think thats a pretty positive review IMO
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Posted by rvhoss:

you shouldn't talk about your mother like that.
Posted by islesfan:


Yeah, you stand with your shoulders firmly pressed against Isiah's buttcheeks.


ROFL. tell us how you really feel...
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Posted by islesfan:

Yeah, you stand with your shoulders firmly pressed against Isiah's buttcheeks.

I thought this was a very fair assessment of the east. Although I probably would have put the Bulls at 6 ahead of the Wiz. I thought what he said about Paxson said a lot about what a good GM would do. Patience, refusing to overpay and keeping all options open, financial and otherwise are the hallmarks of a good GM. Not the throw it against the wall, see what sticks and then overpay in terms of dollars and years with little regard to how it all fits mentality that we're stuck with.

isles, you and fish are haters.

knicks 05/06 - the race to .500 begins october 2nd!!!


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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

Yeah, you stand with your shoulders firmly pressed against Isiah's buttcheeks.

I thought this was a very fair assessment of the east. Although I probably would have put the Bulls at 6 ahead of the Wiz. I thought what he said about Paxson said a lot about what a good GM would do. Patience, refusing to overpay and keeping all options open, financial and otherwise are the hallmarks of a good GM. Not the throw it against the wall, see what sticks and then overpay in terms of dollars and years with little regard to how it all fits mentality that we're stuck with.

isles, you and fish are haters.

knicks 05/06 - the race to .500 begins october 2nd!!!

strange, fish used to not be a hater before. Misses fish not serving up the salmon like she used to?
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actually I parked my tugboat in tuna-town just last night!

Once the season starts I do nothing but root for every guy to do well and for the Knicks to win games. In the meantime I have the excitement of Big Game James to carry me through.

Come November expect the koolaid to flow while I eat turkeys from my shiney turkey frier I got at Home Depot for the last thanksgiving.
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See where this has gone?

I told you guys, Chad is a born agitator! Everywhere he goes he leaves a trail of people talking about other people's mamas, people voicing conern about other people getting too close to Isiah Thomas' buttcheeks and people talking about how much fish other people are being offered in their nightly menus!

Chad Ford the professor of international conflict! Must have been taught everything he knows by John Bolton!
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Posted by fishmike:

actually I parked my tugboat in tuna-town just last night!

Once the season starts I do nothing but root for every guy to do well and for the Knicks to win games. In the meantime I have the excitement of Big Game James to carry me through.

Come November expect the koolaid to flow while I eat turkeys from my shiney turkey frier I got at Home Depot for the last thanksgiving.
still have only one little fish? or is another in the works?


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8/29/2005  4:16 PM
How does Milwaukee get put in the playoffs while the knicks are 10th?

The bucks are relying on a rookie big to be their 2nd star, we have talented players on the squad and really only need support from our rookies and FA signings.
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Posted by Killa4luv:

How does Milwaukee get put in the playoffs while the knicks are 10th?

The bucks are relying on a rookie big to be their 2nd star, we have talented players on the squad and really only need support from our rookies and FA signings.

well, b/c they're in milwaukee and not ny. swap the rosters and you get a whole different viewpoint from the chad. man, forget chad.

but in essence, we were talented last year but it totally flopped.

so we bring in Q - proven commodity and upgrade.
removed kurt and added james - that's a downgrade.
and we have 3 rooks who are question marks (until they play).

so our first hurdle should be .500 - will that be enough to make the playoffs this year?
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

How does Milwaukee get put in the playoffs while the knicks are 10th?

The bucks are relying on a rookie big to be their 2nd star, we have talented players on the squad and really only need support from our rookies and FA signings.

well, b/c they're in milwaukee and not ny. swap the rosters and you get a whole different viewpoint from the chad. man, forget chad.

but in essence, we were talented last year but it totally flopped.

so we bring in Q - proven commodity and upgrade.
removed kurt and added james - that's a downgrade.
and we have 3 rooks who are question marks (until they play).

so our first hurdle should be .500 - will that be enough to make the playoffs this year?


yes it will be. Larry Brown alone will get them in the playoffs over teams like philly and milwaukee but problem is how far will we go against Miami, Indy & Detroit even if we win the division and make it to the 2nd round? will it be worth it? will Marbury be traded in the offseason in order to take the team to the next level? WE HAVE TO KEEP IMPROVING WITHOUT OVERPAYING FOR "B" LEVEL PLAYERS WHICH AT THE MOMENT IS ALL WE CAN AFFORD UNDER THE CAP

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8/29/2005  4:39 PM
chads comments were ok.

We do have some players whom are not (YET?) LB players.

TT and Craw, and even Marbs! The question is can they come around. Thats not an unreasonable question.

That snippit was not hating by the Chad. If so, some dudes need to become thicker skinned as there will be some tough spots before the winning starts. And with it comes questioning the team and its make up.

I thought most of the analysis was ok, with rankings. And besides, its all subjective!

They are in business to sell papers. And when Chad writes, some just read to see what an ass or how wrong he is!

He wins, you read anyway!
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