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Caseloads
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8/19/2005  11:41 AM
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=9529

"Jerome James. A $30 million deal over five years is generous. But James is as soft in the head as he is in the belly, the kind of tender morsel preferred by New York's sporting press. The bet here: His NBA career will be finished before his Knicks contract ends. "

My bet is that IT was thinking when he signed James... "Nazr had a contract of 5 or so million per year and he played center and sucked, I traded him to the Spurs and got two draft picks, James plays center, is bigger and sucks and is signed to the same type of contract... I might just be able to get two first rounders again... wait until I trade James to the Suns!"

My personal belief is that James might be here in NY much longer than IT or LB are...
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8/19/2005  11:53 AM
any pro with half a brain says the same thing... we got hosed and overpaid for this guy. I remember when Layden tried to get him and we were laughing about it. Now after 2 more years of the same Zeke gets him and its a great move, just the rest of the sports world doesnt realize it
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8/19/2005  11:55 AM
Dolan will not fire Isiah at this point. If the Knicks continue to rack on losses, then by mid point NEXT season, then yes, Isiah could get his ars fired, but at this point, the job is too incomplete.
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8/19/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Dolan will not fire Isiah at this point. If the Knicks continue to rack on losses, then by mid point NEXT season, then yes, Isiah could get his ars fired, but at this point, the job is too incomplete.

Isiah will jump when his stock is high.

Isiah won't get fired, he is doing what Dolan is telling him too.
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8/19/2005  12:36 PM
He's just an obvious hater.

If he had any journalistic integrity and wasn't so bias, he would see this, and every other move that Isiah makes, as a great one.



So that's what it's like to be on Kool-Aid.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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8/19/2005  2:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:

He's just an obvious hater.

If he had any journalistic integrity and wasn't so bias, he would see this, and every other move that Isiah makes, as a great one.



So that's what it's like to be on Kool-Aid.

JONESTOWN, Laced with the good stuff!





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[Edited by - nalod on 08-19-2005 2:44 PM]
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8/19/2005  2:57 PM
Let me ask you guys something. What did Nazr ever do before he came here? Did anyone think he'd put up 11/8 for this team? JJ won't have to do much, but at least he'll be given the kind of easy looks and opportunities that Nazr got, something Jj didn't get in Seattle. When they finally force fed him the ball on a consistent basis he actually showed he could put the ball in the hole. Maybe you guys just aren't seeing the possibility that it might work in the same way Nazr did, only JJ has more size and REAL shotblocking skills. He also sets excellent picks. I think you guys and the Media are way off on James.
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8/19/2005  3:01 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Let me ask you guys something. What did Nazr ever do before he came here? Did anyone think he'd put up 11/8 for this team?

yes...
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8/19/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nixluva:

Let me ask you guys something. What did Nazr ever do before he came here? Did anyone think he'd put up 11/8 for this team?

yes...



I concur. In games that Nazr started before coming to the Knicks he was about a 9pt 8 reb player so 11/8 isn't a huge stretch. In the games that JJ started, he was about a 4 pt 3 reb player so at the very least it's more of a stretch to see him suddenly TRIPLING his production here.
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8/19/2005  3:44 PM
OH you guys are full of crap!!! I guess that's why everyone was beating down ATL's door to get Nazr. At the time we got him he wasn't even starting for ATL. He played a full 82 games ONCE in his career. That year he started 73 games which was the most ever for him, but that was in 2001-02. It wasn't until he came here and produced that a team like SA was even interested in him. You guys are freakin amazing. It wasn't even clear that he'd be the starting center and now you want to make it sound like it was a lock that he'd be able to produce for this team. Everyone knows that there was serious doubt about what Nazr would be able to do as a starting Center for this team. Whatever, its clear you guys just want to bash JJ and will say anything to make your point.
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8/19/2005  3:45 PM
Larry will eat him alive.
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8/19/2005  3:51 PM
This article says it best, James will put up Nazr numbers...that's all we ask, oh, that plus more blocks.

What more do you guys want? Shaq?
Posted by Caseloads:


"Nazr had a contract of 5 or so million per year and he played center and sucked...
James plays center, is bigger and sucks and is signed to the same type of contract...


all kool aid all the time.
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8/19/2005  4:12 PM
Posted by nixluva:

OH you guys are full of crap!!! I guess that's why everyone was beating down ATL's door to get Nazr. At the time we got him he wasn't even starting for ATL. He played a full 82 games ONCE in his career. That year he started 73 games which was the most ever for him, but that was in 2001-02. It wasn't until he came here and produced that a team like SA was even interested in him. You guys are freakin amazing. It wasn't even clear that he'd be the starting center and now you want to make it sound like it was a lock that he'd be able to produce for this team. Everyone knows that there was serious doubt about what Nazr would be able to do as a starting Center for this team. Whatever, its clear you guys just want to bash JJ and will say anything to make your point.



maybe you have no insight into players, but i always thought nazr was a capable center.
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Because while people were going to work on a beautiful September 11th day, they got killed because they were american.


And now innocent Iraqi civilians can get killed because they are iraqi.
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8/19/2005  4:27 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nixluva:

OH you guys are full of crap!!! I guess that's why everyone was beating down ATL's door to get Nazr. At the time we got him he wasn't even starting for ATL. He played a full 82 games ONCE in his career. That year he started 73 games which was the most ever for him, but that was in 2001-02. It wasn't until he came here and produced that a team like SA was even interested in him. You guys are freakin amazing. It wasn't even clear that he'd be the starting center and now you want to make it sound like it was a lock that he'd be able to produce for this team. Everyone knows that there was serious doubt about what Nazr would be able to do as a starting Center for this team. Whatever, its clear you guys just want to bash JJ and will say anything to make your point.



maybe you have no insight into players, but i always thought nazr was a capable center.

I liked Nazr but, all i'm saying is most pundits as well as fans had little confidence that he'd be able to produce as he did. I'm only making the point that just as people doubted Nazr and he produced, JJ can do the same thing. You think IT didn't use the same kind of criteria to make his judgment about JJ as he did for Nazr? Of course he did. That's why he's confident that he'll be able to produce. It may turn out that he's wrong, but I've seen enough to trust that IT has done his homework. I've also seen JJ myself and think he's capable of more than he's shown. In particular on our team he should be able to taek advantage of the way our guards play

I'm new here, but i'm not some new kid, i'm 40 yrs old and have been following the NBA and sports in general for a long time.
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8/19/2005  4:54 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nixluva:

OH you guys are full of crap!!! I guess that's why everyone was beating down ATL's door to get Nazr. At the time we got him he wasn't even starting for ATL. He played a full 82 games ONCE in his career. That year he started 73 games which was the most ever for him, but that was in 2001-02. It wasn't until he came here and produced that a team like SA was even interested in him. You guys are freakin amazing. It wasn't even clear that he'd be the starting center and now you want to make it sound like it was a lock that he'd be able to produce for this team. Everyone knows that there was serious doubt about what Nazr would be able to do as a starting Center for this team. Whatever, its clear you guys just want to bash JJ and will say anything to make your point.



maybe you have no insight into players, but i always thought nazr was a capable center.

I liked Nazr but, all i'm saying is most pundits as well as fans had little confidence that he'd be able to produce as he did. I'm only making the point that just as people doubted Nazr and he produced, JJ can do the same thing. You think IT didn't use the same kind of criteria to make his judgment about JJ as he did for Nazr? Of course he did. That's why he's confident that he'll be able to produce. It may turn out that he's wrong, but I've seen enough to trust that IT has done his homework. I've also seen JJ myself and think he's capable of more than he's shown. In particular on our team he should be able to taek advantage of the way our guards play

I'm new here, but i'm not some new kid, i'm 40 yrs old and have been following the NBA and sports in general for a long time.


I always saw something in nazr. as far as JJ goes, i dont disagree with what you said. I def think JJ will be better here than he ever was in seattle, but its useless to say things like that because then you get the guys coming out and being like, yea a career 4-3 guy can all of a sudden change. its really pointless to argue it until the season actually begins.
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8/19/2005  5:02 PM
There's two huge factors that will determine how well he does. First, a lot depends on how he's utilized. If you look at our team, we are pretty much a perimeter-oriented team with most of our "star"power in our guards - marbury,craw and Q. Maybe JJ will be used the same way he was in Seattle, setting picks for shooters. Even if that's the case he should do better since he'll be running more pick and rolls with Marbury as opposed to Ridnour. Secondly, and most importantly, is how he can stay out of foul trouble. It's pretty clear that if he moves his feet on defense and stays out of foul trouble he can put up big numbers, like he did against sacramento. But he could be the focal point of our offense, he still won't do well if he's only out on the floor for 10 minutes.
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Posted by nyballer:

It's pretty clear that if he moves his feet on defense and stays out of foul trouble he can put up big numbers, like he did against sacramento. But he could be the focal point of our offense, he still won't do well if he's only out on the floor for 10 minutes.

I view the situation a lot like how KT used to be. If KT can learn how to play D and not foul everytime, like he used too, then so can JJ.
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8/19/2005  5:44 PM
Kurt used to be known as a foul machine...
Not to mention his hot temper with the Refs...
He really buckled down and became more or less a company man...
JJ will do just fine as a Knick.
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8/19/2005  8:44 PM
Posted by nyvector16:

Kurt used to be known as a foul machine...
Not to mention his hot temper with the Refs...
He really buckled down and became more or less a company man...
JJ will do just fine as a Knick.


Kt besides being a nut job had on his resume the last player to lead the NCAA in both scoring and rebounds!

James does not have that background of success to build off of. But I wish him well. Its better for JJ to kick ass than any JJ doubters be right! Im sure we can all live with that!
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